California, Marijuana Legalization but not Gay Marriage ?

[JI7]

i'm happy that marijuana legalization is going to pass. but what this shows us is that there are people in favor of marijuana legalization but not same sex marriage.

does anyone here personally know anyone who has this type of position ?

usually the people i know who favor drug legalization also support same sex marriage.

i will say that if same sex marriage is put to a vote again the results this time would be in favor of same sex marriage. but this would have more to do with newer generations voting who tend to be more in supportive while older poeple who have opposed it have passed away.

[krispos42]

Maybe pot legalization will lead to same-sex marriage

Seems to me that the former will really dilute the out-of-state media money.

[gatorboy]

11. "Maybe pot legalization will lead to same-sex marriage"

Heh! I think you have just created the next right wing outcry.

I can hear O'Reilly screaming it in my ear, "pot legalization will lead to same-sex marriage!!!" :P

[krispos42]

19. You heard it here first, folks!

Damn! This must be how Breitbart feels every day!!!

[gatorboy]

23. Hahaha!

[msongs]

1. let em smoke a few years and they will change their minds re gay marriage lol nt

[tularetom]

2. I support both

And I'm glad I don't have to make a choice which one to support.

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

3. Most minorities support gay marraige bans

Africans americans for the most part backed prop 8 while supporting drug legalization.
Even latinos, to a smaller extent, had majority support for prop 8.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/06/AR2008110603880.html

Why? I dunno. That's just how it works out.
It would appear minorities don't like equal rights.
Oh the irony...

[JI7]

4. but a lot of those same minorities oppose marijuana legalization also, it's mostly the churches

i would be interested in seeing the numbers. and comparing them to the same sex marriage ones.

break down by party, liberal/conservative, race, church, income , etc.

[FreeState]

6. FYI that article is based on a flawed exit poll - 57% of black voters voted for prop 8

Around 53% of Latinos did and whites were barely under 50%.

[Le Taz Hot]

18. But a significant number of CHURCH-GOING minorities

voted "Yes on 8." The key is CHURCHES. But the same question applies and has never been answered. Why would a group of people, long oppressed by slavery, bigotry, discrimination, be willing to impose the same on another group of people?

BOTH of these reports were distorted on DU , btw.

[EFerrari]

27. Not this again.

:)

It was older Catholics, not minorities.

You know what should have tipped us off in the first place? The black and brown voting blocks (if we can talk about them/us in that way) skew YOUNG. They are YOUNG and they vote with us.

[Le Taz Hot]

29. "This again"

has never been addressed. Once again I did not blame minorities for the passage of Prop. H8. I blame the churches but my question remains: Why would a group of people, long oppressed and enslaved in this country, vote to oppress others? At this point I'm left to speculate and I suppose it's the same thing when lot of women did not support the ERA (not sure if you're old enough to remember that) -- it's because their church leaders told them to. Religion trumps civil right, I guess.

Btw, I and my friends are OLD and I don't know a one of them who voted "yes" on H8.

[EFerrari]

30. I'm old, too and ditto. And there was a recent a segment on GayUSA

where this was poll was explained and dismissed. I don't know if I can find it but could try. May have been in late July.

I can tell you that when I looked at a H8 map of San Francisco, checking behind the Chron reporter that first pointed out the targeting of older Catholic voters, the biggest concentration of "yes" votes was in neighborhoods with lots of retirees. Basically, the Mormons and the Catholic church preyed on elderly voters. That's what it boils down to, imo.

If I find that segment, will let you know. Don't remember if they have an archive.

The thing that has never been explained to my satisfaction is the mess that is L.A. County. Remember that it took them WEEKS to come up with a primary result -- that's how badly screwed up their voting systems are? Two DUers were involved in a recount of 2008 but the recount was rolled over. I still don't believe H8 passed in that county and have no reason to think it did, no one can show me the votes.

[EFerrari]

32. LTZ -- check this out. L.A. Co. H8 results almost certainly corrupted:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=7390029&mesg_id=7390029

I'd forgotten about this.

[EFerrari]

33. Andy and Anne don't tag their segments so it may be a while

like never, lol, before I find the thing. But here is a blog that has been following this very question. There is a link to a Hunter College report in this blog post:

http://gay-persons-of-color.blogspot.com/2009/01/proposition-8-voting-myths-debunked.html

[NOLALady]

8. Really?

Minorities do not like equal rights!

[Luminous Animal]

13. That has been debunked. And the debunking posted many times over on DU.

http://articles.sfgate.com/2009-01-07/bay-area/17199504_1_same-sex-marriage-ban-black-voters-lesbian-task-force

[EFerrari]

25. This has been disproven and it was publicly discussed

on GayUSA a few weeks ago.

That was a media fabrication based on one small poll. Which is good news. :)

[FreeState]

5. Careful it hasn't passed yet

I have not seen a single ad on tv for or against prop 19. I hope it passes but even prop 8 looked doomed until 5 weeks out - anything can happen still...

[JI7]

7. good point, the funding, ads etc played a large part

but it says a lot that the religious groups got so worked up over same sex marriage but not marijuana legalization. i'm sure they oppose that also but same sex marriage upsets them more.

[FreeState]

9. True - I'd wager that the majority of GOP and support prop 19 so the moralist plan on not saying

Much until towards the end, and then it will be only the extream right saying anything

[Codeine]

10. I know several conservative Christians who are also huge potheads. nt

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

22. WWJD?

What Would Jesus Doobie?

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

24. Duzy!

:think:

[Starry Messenger]

12. People had a lot of happy talk about Prop 8 being in the bag

before the election. Best not to count chickens.

[Life Long Dem]

14. What can one say?

We all live in a primitive world. Until thing's change where producing babies doesn't take a man and a woman then we will all still be in a primitive world.

[Warren DeMontague]

15. I've known homophobic potheads, and I've known gay people who support the drug war.

But thankfully I think both issues are trending in the right direction, in our society.

[customerserviceguy]

16. Marijuana hasn't been half as demonized

as same-sex relationships have been, there's your difference. Equal marriage has to overcome thousands of years of church-sanctioned hate, I don't recall any drug being opposed terribly much in the Judeo-Christian heritage.

[Le Taz Hot]

17. Prop. H8 was supported

largely by out-of-state monies and the churches. They were preaching their hate speech from the pulpit. There were literally hundreds of millions of dollars pumped in from the Catholic and Mormon churches from out of state AND the "No on 8" organizers were pathetically unprepared for the onslaught. None of this is happening with Prop. 19. Conservative areas of California such as the Central Valley are looking at legalization as a possible financial boon in an area with a 15.2% unemployment rate. Besides, we're farmers around here. We don't really care what you grow on your land.

Finally, I heartily disagree with your ageist assessment of who is and is not for gay marriage or for legalization. The opposition, at least with GBLT civil right COMES FROM THE CHURCHES and I see a WHOLE lot of young bigoted activists out there preaching a whole lot of hate. As for legalization, I don't know who your elders are but all my boomer friends are voting "Yes" on 19.

[lunatica]

20. This Calilfornian supports both and voted against Schartzennegger

And I'm 62.

Should I hurry up and die so the more open-minded newer generations can change things?

[Le Taz Hot]

21. +1

Glad someone else caught that.

[Swamp Rat]

26. no

eom

[JNelson6563]

28. Lot of people in jail over pot.

Not sure how much of the prison population is made up of those jailed for gay marriage.

Mind you I agree and think both should be legal. Sadly the big money was against Prop 8. I hope they give it another go and that the campaign next time around is done more effectively (to overcome the bigots).

Julie

[Unvanguard]

31. I suspect it has to do with religion.

Religious liberals who couldn't countenance same-sex marriage are willing to support marijuana legalization.

[EFerrari]

34. Posted in a sub thread but worth putting out there

LA County H8 vote almost certainly corrupted:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=7390029&mesg_id=7390029