Salt Lake City protests LDS Church leader Boyd K Packer's hate speech.

[Drunken Irishman]

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=12735024

[FreeState]

1. Thanks for posting the pics - 4500 protested

According to the organizer on Twitter!

[Diclotican]

2. Drunken Irishman

Drunken Irishman

Intersting. Maybe, just maybe it can do that mr Boyd K Packer have to think twice and maybe learn something about the power of what he say.. As a member of the same Church, Im uncomfable with some parts of the church, like the ignoranse againt gay. I have standed my ground about what I thing about the whole issue - but I have also changed what I belive.. And I belive we all, out of inside the church, should at least accept the fact, that some is different from others. And that beeing a gay is not the same as going to hell. I know a few who is quiet open about their orientations. And it is okay for me, as long as they do not hit on me, I do not care who they is going to bed with. It is just not my business to snope around. What is important, is to show, by exemple, that you respect the others, regarness of what they do with their life.. To accept that not everyone is like your own..

And that is posible the hard part, to accept different pepole, to accept that not everyone do as you do when you meet a partner.. Not everyone do it the same way. It is something we all have to work with, every day, every week, every month, and every year. To try to "love our nabour" even if he7/she are not like your own. It is hard to change our owns ignoranse, but I hope I at least is able to change my ignorance, to something more usefull for the future

As a member of LDS, I am little ashamed about the whole thing, mostly becouse I se the issue as closed and locked. We as a community have to accept that some is gays, and some is hetrosexual.. It is just the way things are, and why bother fight for a lost cause. It is so many other things, that is fare more important, than to snoope how your personal life is. And yes, I was/are against the prop 8 in California, even tho I maybe was little ignorant about the whole issue when it was first aired here on DU. And I got shot down really good about it all.. But I survived, and slowly was reading up on the case. And discovered it was something I could agree aobut, it was plain stupidity do get involved into it all... As a church, LDS should NEVER got into that type of politic, In fact LDS should never had using ressourses, or money to suport prop 8 at all. It was just wrong.. And have posible make more damage than it was all worth.. It was wrong on so many levels I would say...

It can also be, becouse in Norway, gay persons, have had the same right as hetrosexuel for a long time, and they even have the right to marriage as "husban and woman" with all the rights, and duties thereafter. For the gay community, it have been a long, and up hill fight, but in the end, it was crowned with sucess, and today two of the same sex, can marriage and have all the same rights and responsibiles as hetro have.. They even had the right to adopt children if they are able to be parents, and many often do that also.. And is great parents.. To me US look little backwater when it came to this things...

Diclotican

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[Kadie]

4. Here are some more pictures...

Gay rights activist lay on the sidewalk near The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints' temple Thursday, Oct. 7, 2010, in Salt Lake City. The demonstration Thursday night was a response to remarks from a church leader that homosexuality is an immoral condition that can and should be overcome.


Gay rights activists lay on the sidewalk in front of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints' church office building Thursday, Oct. 7, 2010, in Salt Lake City. The demonstration was a response to remarks from a church leader that homosexuality is an immoral condition that can and should be overcome


Gay rights activists Matt Upton, left, and Derek Meik, both of Salt Lake City, lay on the sidewalk near The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints' temple Thursday, Oct. 7, 2010, in Salt Lake City. The demonstration was a response to remarks from a church leader that homosexuality is an immoral condition that can and should be overcome.


Gay rights activists Jasmine Clark, left, kisses her girlfriend Elan Matotek, both of Salt Lake City, as they sit on the sidewalk in front of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints' church office building Thursday, Oct. 7, 2010, in Salt Lake City. The demonstration was a response to remarks from a church leader that homosexuality is an immoral condition that can and should be overcome.


Gay rights activists Jaclyn Price, left, and Ashleigh Fisher, both from Salt Lake City, hug at a protest near The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints' temple Thursday, Oct. 7, 2010, in Salt Lake City. The demonstration was a response to remarks from a church leader that homosexuality is an immoral condition that can and should be overcome.


Gay rights activist Thomas Hutchings of Salt Lake City sits on the sidewalk near The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints' temple Thursday, Oct. 7, 2010, in Salt Lake City. The demonstration Thursday night was a response to remarks from a church leader that homosexuality is an immoral condition that can and should be overcome.


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[Sheepshank]

5. Pakkker drew yet another hateful line in the sand.

They've re-drawn that hate line over and over so many times that it's beginning to look like the grand canyon. They hate this church continues to press over and over on so many subjects is mind boggling. I guess their god teaches them to hate and exclude so they can maintain some level of exclusivity and elitism.

OTOH, there was that "god thinks black people are a lesser human being" meme that they had to overcome with pressure. I previous prophesy here, and "god's word" there all thrown by the way side with a simple explanation..."we now have a New Prophecy". Never mind that god never changes, and he's always right. Somethings are easily whitewashed. Then there also the defense of, "oh, those previous words were not spoken as a prophet of god, but as a man...so as with any men, he made a mistake and can change his mind". So maybe there is some hope for a change in this too? I just wouldn't hold my breath for any changes too soon, because you can only change your mind on huge social issues so many times before your whole church looks like a joke to even it's own members.

So we're back to Pakkker's fucking self righteous babble. The rest of the mormon leadership can try and water it down and try to contort his words into something noble and more mainstream and accepting. But the bottom line is that the dinosaur that is Pakkker has not an ounce of compassion in his bones and he merely delivered the message all the church leaders truly embrace. Not for one minute do I think that these Conference meetings are held without all the apostles etc gathering together and comparing notes on their speeches. They ALL knew what he was going to say and the nods of agreement were there to push him ahead.

As usual the mormon chruch is on the wrong side of civil discourse and civil rights.

[Iggo]

6. Homophobia is a choice.

Beautiful.