Supreme Court women (except for Kagan) voted to stay execution of Teresa Lewis.

[Mefistofeles]

The recent vote as to whether Teresa Lewis --the woman who killed her husband and step-son and whose psychologists have said was "borderline retarded,"-- should have been executed, almost split among gender, with all men voting for the death penalty, and the females, Sonia Sotomayor and Ruth Ginsburg, voting for a stay. In her first big vote, Elena Kagan voted to go ahead with the execution.

In related news, a Fordham Law School professor said, "
"Her two male co-conspirators, who actually carried out the murders, got life sentences," Denno told the Daily News.

http://sentencing.typepad.com/sentencing_law_and_policy/2010/09/new-justice-elena-kagans-first-significant-vote-is-against-a-stay-of-teresa-lewiss-execution.html

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2010/09/23/2010-09-23_teresa_lewis_executed_by_lethal_injection_in_virginia_for_conspiring_in_murders_.html#ixzz11KFeDSaG

[WillParkinson]

1. So...wait...

Ms. Kagan isn't a female?

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[Mefistofeles]

3. No whining, ok? n/t

[KittyWampus]

17. you really are a busy little beaver.

[malaise]

33. I'm busy ordering flowers

:evilgrin:

[Bluebear]

15. Buck up, now.

[howaboutme]

4. On occasion

Generally I don't believe in the death penalty.

But with extraordinarily cruel and heinous crimes where guilt is beyond any doubt and not based upon circumstantial evidence, I can go along with the death penalty regardless of gender. The recent Connecticut trial being one example. I'm not as informed on this case.

[tularetom]

5. What is it about that name "Kagan" that bugs me?

Somebody named Kagan was a real asshole in the bush era but I can't remember who it was.

[EFerrari]

12. Maybe a presstitute? I'm having the same memory hole. n/t

[tularetom]

18. Um. here he is and this is kind of creepy

http://www.rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/Kagan_Frederick

His name is Frederick Kagan from the wing nut American Enterprise Institute.

But picture him with longer hair, and wearing a dress.

Creepy I tell ya.

[EFerrari]

22. Omg. n/t

[alsame]

20. A woman named Kagan was a CNN host and she dated

Limbaugh for a while :puke:

I forgot her first name.

[Bluebear]

25. Ahhhh yess Daryn Kagan, Limbaugh's squeeze

[Mefistofeles]

14. You talk about Iraq war-monger Fred Kagan. But Elena is not related to him

http://www.slate.com/id/2253530/

[chimpymustgo]

31. Daran Kagan formerly of CNN, dated Rush Limpballs. Right-wing think tanker, Fred Kagan?

[spanone]

6. so, she should vote by gender? i suspect she voted her conscience.

p.s. i am 100% against killing people....

[Mefistofeles]

8. How odd that you didn't criticize her vote

Given your claim to be "100% against killing people."

[spanone]

10. odd to you.

oh, i get it. if i don't criticize, i condone.

[CreekDog]

7. never heard of the death penalty for someone who didn't do the killing

i mean directly.

[Mefistofeles]

9. What if you instruct a "retarded" person to do the killings?

Does that change matters for you?

Example: Having consensual sex with an adult is not illegal. But if you have sex with an adult with mental disability, it's rape, if you are aware of her condition.

[Mefistofeles]

23. Now I am reading that she didn't even pull the trigger

But that her boyfriend did, and he had an IQ of 113, hers was 70: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/10/AR2010091002673.html

The article is a must-read, written by John Grisham, the Mississippi School of Law graduate who is widely famous for his law-related novels.

[TreasonousBastard]

30. Happens all the time. Texas has the "law of parties" which allows pretty much...

anyone involved with a killing to get the needle, and other states have similar laws. As with this case, the actual killers try to plea themselves down and the prosecutors realize that they have to fry someone, so it's often someone down the chain.

"OK, you got me, I killed him. But give me a break and I'll tell you who hired me." And so it goes...

I remember a Georgia case where the getaway driver never entered the store where a clerk was shot, but the shooter and another guy got jail time for giving his name up. That left no one but the driver, who didn't even know there was a shooting until he was arrested, to get death.

[CreekDog]

32. who has actually gotten the death penalty without physically doing the killing?

or physically being involved?

if it "happens all the time"?

[TreasonousBastard]

35. Here's a few, just from Texas...

there's more but I'm not sure I how much I want to dig around death rows to see how many.


Jeff Wood
Randy Halpern
Kenneth Foster

[Vickers]

11. "the woman who killed her husband and step-son"

:nopity:

[Mefistofeles]

13. Go ahead, keep posting excerpts n/t

[Vickers]

19. OK..."Her stepson had a $250,000 life insurance policy from his military service"

"Lewis pleaded guilty to capital murder"

etc. etc.

[Mefistofeles]

24. And guess who wanted to bag that money. Her boyfriend.

Her boyfriend. He said to another female friend from New York, in a letter: "I figured why go to New York for $20,000 a hit when I could do just one and make $350,000 off of it." In the same letter he said of Lewis: "She was exactly what I was looking for."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/10/AR2010091002673_2.html?sid=ST2010091306394

[Vickers]

26. So, you think people who conspire to commit murder are OK?

:shrug:

[Mefistofeles]

27. Strawman

1-) You didn't mention she was retarded.

2-) Why do I have to be "ok" with it just because i want a penalty for her that is not the death penalty?

[Vickers]

28. Snowman.

:rofl:

I mean, as long as we are throwing bullshit memes around.

1. I don't see where it says she is retarded..."borderline" is the term I see. By your logic (sic), someone in El Paso is Mexican.

2. I'm anti-life term. Now what do I do? :shrug:

[Mefistofeles]

29. You didn't just see "borderline." You saw "borderline retarded"

Which is still retarded.

[Vickers]

38. You have a degree in mental health?

Fascinating!!!

[Bluebear]

16. State-sponsored killing is barbaric but go ahead and stand by it.

[Vickers]

21. Okey dokey!

:thumbsup:

[katandmoon]

34. Kagan is off to a right-wing start.

[indepat]

36. Oh my God! Has BHO moved the SC to the right setting up a plethora of future 6-3 decisions rather

than 5-4? :shrug:

[BrklynLiberal]

37. “No car, no crime. No car, no consequences. No car, no murder.”

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/%E2%80%9Cno-car-no-crime-no-car-no-consequences-no-car-no-murder%E2%80%9D/

No woman no cry? Actually, as The New York Times reports, a lot of people were left in tears when Ryan Holle lent his Chevrolet Metro to a friend– who used it to drive himself and three men to a drug dealer's Florida home, where they murdered the dealer's 18-year-old daughter. After Holle admitted to the police that he had foreknowledge of the burglary and possible murder, he was convicted of first-degree murder. At his trial, prosecutor David Rimmer defended his application of felony murder rules with the rationale in the headline above. The Times highlights the debate over the legal principle, and the difference between American states that adhere to felony murder rules and other country's views on the legal consequences for criminal accomplices. Although the Times fails to mention the fact, one our law enforcement employed readers reckons the stricture helps police get "wheelmen" and "friends of a friend" to cough-up names in capital cases.