The beatings will continue until morale improves

[n2doc]

WASHINGTON - Obama calls it 'inexcusable' for Democrats to be unenthusiastic about Nov. 2 midterm elections.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39396633/ns/politics-decision_2010/

(edit for better link)

[Brickbat]

1. This is getting better and better.

:rofl:

[piratefish08]

2. my bad. i'll fall back in line now, sir.

[stray cat]

3. Why do progressives so like to embrace passive victimhood and embrace it?

Tea par tiers work for change, what are progressive voters doing? The game goes to the tea par tiers who will work for what they believe in

[formercia]

9. It's what we've been getting for generations.

We begin to behave like the lumpen proletariat in the old Soviet Union.

They pretend to pay us and we pretend to work.

[kratos12]

19. What do they believe in again?

Oh yeah, repealing HCR, getting more tax cuts for the wealthy, that Obama is a kenyan muslim, etc....

Being dissapointed in Obama not being progtressive enough for our tastes is no excuse for walking away and allowing right wing extremists to gain power.

Just what do you think these mutts will do with that power?

[eilen]

The problem is not what the tea partiers believe in

The problem for Democratic voters in the mid term may be "what does the Democratic Congress and Senate believe in?"

That is the nut to crack.

[avaistheone1]

74. Excellent point

Really well said. I think you stated what many of the frustrated, angry threads on DU represent - a Democratic party this is no longer clear on its values and principles.

[grahamhgreen]

62. No the tea partiers are working for the interests of the ultra-rich,

we need real, substantive change, he fucked up big time with health care - where is the "fix" we were promised?

Why are we supporting corrupt Islamic republics in Iraqistan? (Answer - to make money off of war)

Why did he give all our money to corrupt banksters.

Its time for him to dance with them that brung ya - not with coy speeches that dance around the issues - but with real substantive fights in congress.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

95. Please use the correct spelling, "teabaggers". -nt

[frylock]

80. your admiration of the teabagger work ethic is duly noted

[BlancheSplanchnik]

83. I think it's because TPers have their movement handed to them

by mega-rich corporate manipulators. They got FuxSpews handling PR, they've got Dick Armey and his funding branches handling organization, they've got evangelical pastors doing ground level activities and face-to-face propaganda.

They've got unlimited money and nationalized, centralized effort where we have grassroots doorknocking and online petitions.











*nomenclature, "TP" and "movement" chosen intentionally*

[Forkboy]

84. LOL @ a centrist talking about passivity.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

93. He's HARDLY a centrist. VERY far from it.

[treestar]

85. Amen, just when have they been "beaten?"

[EFerrari]

91. Hmm. I wonder if my precinct captain can replace me with a tea klanner

who will "work" for her. lol

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

92. The correct spelling is "teabaggers". They "work for change", huh?

BTW, why do you separate the word "partiers"? Evading word searches, uh?

[EstimatedProphet]

99. Who are tea par tiers?

[PVnRT]

108. A golf term, maybe?

[tomp]

101. when the left came out in the millions against the iraq invasion...

...we were ignored. how many dems voted for the iwr?

progressives are very active (hcr, glbt, anti-war, and all general pro-people issues). but they get nothing for it but insults.

why don't you slink back into your alley, cat, with your right wing memes.

[Bluebear]

104. Why do you constantly pump out insulting one-liners then leave the conversation?

[notesdev]

4. When you buck up

make sure not to get wee weed up at the same time

it's a fine balance, motivating to get out to the polls to vote for someone who has given you the middle finger for two years, without actually expecting any benefit from the effort.

[Le Taz Hot]

5. LOL!

That's the first time I've ever heard that. That's priceless! Hear that, Joe?

[n2doc]

10. I've seen the expression on a lot of shirts

Maybe someone could combine this with that pic of Arne Duncan in pirate regalia that someone uses as their sig....

[TBF]

6. I find FBI raids on anti-war activists 'inexcusable'

Continued war in the middle east 'inexcusable'
Breaking the teachers unions 'inexcusable'
Health "reform" sellout to the insurance cos. 'inexcusable'
Internet Kill Switch 'inexcusable'
Debate on whether we should end tax breaks for billionaires 'inexcusable'
Double digit unemployment 'inexcusable'
Continued bonuses for bankers 'inexcusable'

Geitner, Emmanuel, Gibbs, Biden - all 'inexcusable'

[jaxx]

13. Read the Stones article.

Inexcusable would be not voting for the Democrats running. Either we keep moving forward, or how did the president put it......

"But if people now want to take their ball and go home, that tells me folks weren't serious in the first place."

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/17390/209395?RS_show_page=6

[Panaconda]

18. Forward is backward?

Up is down?

Change is the same?

Is that what you meant?

Into the rabbit hole we go.

[muffin1]

21. And does anyone think if they manage to win in the midterms

that they'll finally work for us? The only thing that will be on their minds is the 2012 election.

[jaxx]

22. It's not going backward.

The rabbit hole is the distortion of the facts. Why propagate the myths? Why not admit there have been positive changes in health care, financial reform, student loans, and so many more things? By ignoring all the good that has been done people just look like they're carping for the sake of being a maverick. I just don't get it. But then I'm a liberal, the base. I support the Democratic Party and the people running to keep us on the right track.

[TBF]

23. Sure if you like facism it's the right track. nt

[jaxx]

24. That's fringe bullshit talk.

[TBF]

27. We'll see who's fringe after the elections.

Obama has done NOTHING to improve the lives of everyday citizens. There has been no change for the lives of workers who are suffering under double digit unemployment and the voting will reflect that.

[jaxx]

31. He has done very much, look at the jobs the stimulus helped.

He has brought health care to millions, kept kids on policies to age 26, gotten rid of the preexisting conditions, removing the cap on lifetime benefits. Don't tell me he's done nothing, that isn't true.
And there has been help for the unemployed....extensions don't matter to you? Voters will surely remember that the repukes fought to not let them pass.

[TBF]

33. How has he 'brought health care to millions'?

How has he done that? And in what year might the rest of the provisions you noted kick in?

When you have double digit unemployment getting a six-month extension for a few folks is not progress, a massive WTA-style jobs program would be a start.

Crumbs at best, with an eye towards privatizing everything he can.

[jaxx]

38. These aren't crumbs.

Eliminating Lifetime Limits on Insurance Coverage

Effective for health plan years beginning on or after September 23, 2010

Under the new law, insurance companies will be prohibited from imposing lifetime dollar limits on essential benefits, like hospital stays.
____

Extending Coverage for Young Adults

Effective for health plan years beginning on or after September 23, 2010

Under the new law, young adults will be allowed to stay on their parent’s plan until they turn 26 years old. (In the case of existing group health plans, this right does not apply if the young adult is offered insurance at work.) Some insurers began implementing this practice early. Check with your insurance company or employer to see if you qualify. Learn more about the young adults insurance policy.
____

Providing Access to Insurance for Uninsured Americans with Pre-Existing Conditions

National program established July 1, 2010

A Pre-Existing Condition Insurance Plan will provide new coverage options to individuals who have been uninsured for at least six months because of a pre-existing condition. States have the option of running this new program in their state. If a state chooses not to do so, a plan will be established by the Department of Health and Human Services in that state. This program serves as a bridge to 2014, when all discrimination against pre-existing conditions will be prohibited. Learn more about the Pre-Existing Condition Insurance Plan.
____

http://www.healthcare.gov/law/timeline/index.html

You are wrong. Admit it.

[TBF]

54. Again you did not answer the question -

how did he bring "healthcare to millions" as you claim?

[jaxx]

55. Kids up to age 26, preexisting conditions coverage.

No cap on benefits....subsidies in 2014. The lists are there, go find them. 32 million more people will be covered. That's millions.

[TBF]

56. "The lists are there, go find them"

thanks that's very helpful.

:eyes:

[bvar22]

58. "Kids up to age 26, preexisting conditions coverage."

ONLY if their parents are rich enough to afford the Premiums.
Same is true of PECs.

These "historic" deforms have made it possible for the WEALTHY to buy Insurance from a For Profit Corporation.
Big WOW!

[eilen]

40. People without jobs don't have a health insurance

policy. Their kids are on Child Health Plus like they were 3 years ago. The parents remain uninsured.

Like college tuition, the cost of health insurance is out of reach.

Like most people in the working class, struggling to tread the economic waters, people feel the government is out of touch.

The big economic engine-- building roads and runways? Seriously? Most I know don't fly anywhere and can't afford to take any trips and are not employees of asphalt quarries or (mostly out of state) road crews. Maybe there are a few truck drivers...

Meanwhile even the teachers are worried if they have a job next year or if their school is going to end up a charter Walmart academy and parents don't know what to tell their graduating seniors regarding the future except maybe Move to Canada.

and our young keep dying overseas for what exactly?

[Panaconda]

26. Amazing

how folks have become resigned to accepting crumbs.

Meanwhile everywhere you look conditions are getting worse, much worse. That's if you look.

This isn't carping it's objective reality. There is not a single thing that has been distorted no matter what the rose colored glasses tell you.

[jaxx]

32. Carping is carping.

If your sky is falling, go out and vote for a Democrat, you might just save yourself despite the negativity.

[TBF]

35. You're going to need a better slogan than that ...

you'll probably see much of the base turn out anyway (except the teachers who you've eviscerated the past couple weeks) - but you're not going to move the independents. You can kick around the hippies all you want but they are not impressed. It's the economy, stupid. Even conservative Bill Clinton understood that ...

[jaxx]

43. I am the base.

My first vote was in 1968 when I turned 21 the year before....you want to talk about hippies?
Were you there?
I keep out of the teaching posts for the most part.

You seem to want to personally attack me, why is that? I don't know anything about you except that you are not a supporter of the President. You might be the nicest person on your street, how would I know? And you know nothing about me except that I do support the President and the Democratic Party and am not afraid to speak up when the myths are put out there.

[TBF]

49. These are not personal attacks -

I am responding regarding whether this president has done anything to help workers the past two years.

You're correct - I currently do not support most of what the president is doing. We may have walked door to door together two years ago for all I know of you - I actively campaigned here in Brazoria County, TX during the primary season (including working as a precinct captain). But given the "changes" I have seen under this administration (or lack thereof may be a better way to put it), I have no more hope.

[jaxx]

52. I'll ignore the "eviscerated" teachers comment.

And the one saying I can kick the hippies around.

But honestly, I am not Barack Obama.

[TBF]

53. I don't know how that is a response to anything I said,

but whatever ...

[Le Taz Hot]

109. I was there as well.

YOU'RE the type of Boomer the rest of us have to answer for. Goddess help us. The Democratic Party stopped being the Democratic Party in 1992 when Clinton sold his soul AND OURS to keep up with the Republicans' fund raising juggernaut. Enter Welfare "Reform." Enter NAFTA. Enter the Communications Act. Enter DADT. Those of us who were REALLY there in the 60's paid attention and we didn't like what we saw and we changed it. I remember 1968 too. Chicago. The "outsiders" wanted to be included in the process and Daley and his DEMOCRAT ESTABLISHMENT goons intervened and a riot ensued. If you had been there, you would have been cheering on the goons. I would have been outside with my head busted open.

[sad sally]

97. two legs good. four legs bad. four legs good. two legs bad.

[Vincardog]

47. How is not voting to support the policies we oppose not 'serious in the first place'?

Where is the change we can believe in?

[glitch]

106. Statements like this confirm my suspicion that he's in an echo chamber. Not good. nt

[jaxx]

14. Dupe

[Scuba]

15. +1,000

[Hubert Flottz]

16. War criminals unpunished 'inexcusable'

Spying on me 'inexcusable'
Cat food diet for our golden years 'inexcusable'
Forgiving Joe LIEberman 'inexcusable'
No "New Deal" 'inexcusable'
Crooked voting machines 'inexcusable'
No fair trade 'inexcusable'
Union Busting 'inexcusable'
Kissing GOP ass 'inexcusable'
Not impeaching liars on the SCOTUS 'inexcusable'
BP cover-up 'inexcusable'
Keeping half the crooked people in the government that Bush installed 'inexcusable'
Taxation without representation 'inexcusable'
No REAL change 'inexcusable'
Fake "Bipartisanship" 'inexcusable'
Trusting or believing ANY republican 'inexcusable'
Head up the ass 'inexcusable'

[TBF]

29. Thank you, these are excellent additions to the list. I knew there were more ... nt

[Myrina]

17. +10

Indeed. :applause:

[speppin]

7. People need to buck up," Obama told Rolling Stone in an interview to be published Friday...........

aye aye.

http://www.startribune.com/politics/national/103916788.html?elr=KArks:DCiUec7PaP3E77K_0c::D3aDhUiacyKUUr

WASHINGTON - Admonishing his own party, President Barack Obama says it would be "inexcusable" and "irresponsible" for unenthusiastic Democratic voters to sit out the midterm elections, warning that the consequences could be a squandered agenda for years.

"People need to shake off this lethargy. People need to buck up," Obama told Rolling Stone in an interview to be published Friday. The president told Democrats that making change happen is hard and "if people now want to take their ball and go home, that tells me folks weren't serious in the first place.

[bluethruandthru]

20. Really? He's saying WE weren't serious!!??

I'm not taking my ball and going home...and I will vote for Dems in November - as always - but I refuse to let up on the party leaders who continue to criticize me and the "change" that I thought I voted for!

[speppin]

34. The name calling will not increase the 'enthusiasm gap" IMHO.

[eilen]

41. I plan to vote Democratic

and give my the "controlling" party in the House and Senate a chance to squander their majority again, nothing succeeds like success when you are a Democrat.

[blindpig]

67. Talk about hubris.

Like he ain't got nothin' to do with it....

[SammyWinstonJack]

94. Is he channeling gw? Sure sounds like it and talk about whining.

:eyes:

[Fumesucker]

8. A better link to the story..

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39396633/ns/politics-decision_2010/

[n2doc]

11. Thanks- I saw the line in a tweet but could only find the one line "article" n/t

[LWolf]

12. Another inspiring moment. nt

[alc]

25. they're testing campaign slogans

I think last week's "we're better than the alternative" beats this week's "you need to vote for us". The word inexcusable probably tests well, but they may want to apply it to republicans instead of democrats.

Can't wait for next week's effort.

[TBF]

30. I think next week's slogan is "stop whining".

:eyes:

[dgibby]

46. Nope.

Biden used that one this week.

[Art_from_Ark]

61. How about "Quitcher Belly-achin'"

That's an oldie but goodie

[myrna minx]

28. Wow. Talk about entitlements. n/t

[old mark]

36. "If people now want to take their ball and go home, that tells me they weren't

very serious in the first place"...Stop whining...see the glass half full...

Great work, Administration - piss off the people who voted you into office and blame US for your failure to lead.

I will vote for Democrats, but I'm sure not very excited about you guys in Washington and if November results in disaster, I won't take the blame for your assholish behavior and conservative cowardice... This administration has been the biggest Democratic letdown since I started voting in the late 1960's. Fuck you.



mark

[bullwinkle428]

37. So now Obama has given us door-knockers and phone-bankers a script!

I'm sure everyone will just LOVE hearing that!

[piratefish08]

39. let me know how it works. i've knocked and phoned the last 2 elections.

no f*cking way I could do that again when I no longer believe our message myself........

[TBF]

51. There was always a script -

didn't you help with the campaign in 2008? I'm sure both sides do that. But, yes, the script now would be pretty pitiful. "Vote for us because we don't suck quite as bad as the other party" ..

[inna]

42. did Clinton ever use to engage in base bashing?

(not that i remember, but i really wasn't paying much attention to politics in the 90s...)


is there a historical precedent at all for such bashing?

[blindpig]

63. Don't think so

This is the most counter intuitive shit I've ever seen, it's like anti-politics.

Mebbe this is the 'change' people have been waiting for....but the real change is throwing off the last gossamer tatters of the New Deal, no time for posing anymore, there is money to be made.

[glitch]

107. Haven't you heard? The left isn't part of the base. Only DLCers, former republicans and independents

need apply.

[uponit7771]

44. IT IS!!! I hear and see MORE complaining than action be dems

[krispos42]

45. So it's OUR fault YOU didn't perform?

Supermajorities, electoral college windfall, public enthusiasim... and it's OUR fault YOU didn't do what we wanted you to do???

:eyes:

[dgibby]

48. So,

Biden says "stop whining" and Obama says "inexcusable".

I'm guessing the internals are in the crapper and the PTB need a scapegoat.

[fifthoffive]

50. The irony is

Just like the extremists on the right, the progressives on the left are the most likely to vote. Progressives complain because they are engaged. It is the great morass in the middle that need to be energized to vote. I guarantee that a higher percentage of progressive Democrats will vote than centrist Democrats, and those votes will go to the Democratic candidates.

The Obama campaign was successful in getting the folks who usually stay home on election day out to vote. The Democrats are not inspiring the same level of enthusiasm this time, and the usual suspects will stay home. The progressives will vote in large numbers regardless the disrespect coming from the administration.

Try as they might to blame the left, if the Democrats fail this election season, it will not be because of the "whiny" progressives.

[Bluenorthwest]

57. Being opposed to equal rights for GLBT people- inexcusable

Stating constantly that you think God tells you to oppose basic human rights for minorities you and your cleric pals do not like is inexcusable. There is no excuse, no mitigating factors for promoting divisions and discrimination.
The administration is freaking out, because they now see what 2012 will be like. Obama is not happy with mere votes, he wants seas of people beaming massive energies. He, they, have not thought about the fact that Democrats will vote, but vote while telling them why it is a chore, not a joy. Many 'centrists' like to smugly ask liberals 'well, where are you going to go?' missing the point that we will not 'go' anywhere, but we will also not be silent.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

59. You poor, poor innocent victim.

Let me play you a sad song on my tiny violin.

:nopity:

[bvar22]

60. Forgive ME, Dear Supreme Leader!!!

<falling to knees>
I have been UNWORTHY of your smiling benevolence!
I will report to the Party Commissar for Re-Education AT ONCE!

[SammyWinstonJack]

96. He's just a tad arrogant, don't ya think?

geeze. Take their ball and go home, not really serious in the first place Nice! :eyes: How inspiring. :puke:

[grahamhgreen]

64. Not apathetic - PISSED OFF. Finally, maybe he is realizing that HE has F*CKED UP in a major way.

Rich monopolists do not elect people, people do.

Dance with them that brung ya. Now.

Withdraw from Afghanistan and Iraq.

Fix HCR (expand medicare).

jail the banksters.

tax the ultra-rich at 94%, as it was in the '50's.

Bring back the rule of law by prosecuting war crimes and torture, instead of defending it, which is inexcusable.

End DADT.


ETC - at least fight for it!

[Name removed]

65. Deleted message

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[Renew Deal]

66. Are you going to ask Skinner to ban your account?

:hi:

[Catherina]

68. Awwww. Does honesty hurt the circle D crowd? But go ahead,

keep running us off and then wonder why you're all alone in the voting booth come election day.

Ooom pa pa pah! Weeeee're theeee BEST!

[Renew Deal]

70. Your "fuck him" teabagger routine is getting tiresome.

:hi:

[Catherina]

71. Teabagger? Could you get anymore ridiculous? Could you at least try? n/t

[Renew Deal]

72. So when are you going to ask Skinner to ban your account?

You say "fuck him" and that you'd never support Obama. DU doesn't sound like the right place for you.

[Catherina]

73. What for? I'm sure you've already asked him to ban all the non-cheerers. n/t

[Renew Deal]

77. You clearly don't want to be here.

DU is a "democratic" site that supports Obama. The "fuck him" routine doesn't fit in here. Why would you subject yourself to reading things that antagonize you?

[Catherina]

78. You're right about the antagonization which is why I'm putting you on ignore n/t

[Renew Deal]

79. Enjoy the rest of your time on DU

:hi:

[frylock]

81. link to the loyalty oath?

kplzthx

[Renew Deal]

82. Rules 2 and 4

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[frylock]

88. Democratic Underground is an online community for Democrats and other progressives.

Constructive criticism of Democrats or the Democratic Party is permitted.

[treestar]

86. You mean we can't win without you?

No one else's vote counts?

[EFerrari]

90. Did you ever make that bumpersticker, "You can be replaced"?

It seems like such a sure winner for the midterms.

[COLGATE4]

69. Please, Sir. May I have another??

[avaistheone1]

75. LOL

This admin is amply demonstrating it is very, very out of touch with its base.


Thank you for the laugh.

[asdjrocky]

76. They are trying to lose.

Seriously, we are some smart people, at least you guys are, what else could it be?

[Ganja Ninja]

87. Again, fear the Republicans but welcome the bluedogs into our big tent.

:shrug:

[Lorien]

89. I don't vote for conservative corporate cronies

no matter what letter sits behind their name.

[BootinUp]

98. Rec'd cause Obama is correct!

Assume the position!!!!!

[tomp]

100. hey obama, you want my list of inexcusable?

you ain't gonna like it.

[pa28]

102. Clearly he's trying to whack the hive as a campaign strategy.

It happens nearly every day now so nobody can really believe the jabs are an accident at this point. If anybody out there really would like to give Obama a friendly poke in the eye just ignore it as well as the loyal surrogates who want to join in.

[Smashcut]

103. The Admonish-stration strikes again.

What a GOTV strategy!

[southmost]

105. It's become through the looking glass around here

Why bother going to freeperland or the drugged report, when half of their memes are right here... wow, same directional spins