If the GOP takes over, they will impeach Obama.

[edhopper]

They will also immeadiately change the 60/40 fillibuster rule in the Senate.
It's how fascist act.
Do you think any Dem will regret not going after the Bush war criminals?

[JuniperLea]

1. That would require grounds for impeachment...

And there are none... but your concern is duly noted.

[joeybee12]

2. Didn't stop them from impeaching Clinton...n/t

[JuniperLea]

9. Clinton lied...

I think that was what finally did him in.

[edhopper]

11. As opposed to

which President who didn't?

[JuniperLea]

15. Oh come on...

That's really a stretch... I'm talking about a broken law... lying to Congress is against the law.

Please... grasp another straw...

[Pathwalker]

17. When did Clinton testify to Congress?

He didn't. It was a Civil law suit brought by Paula Jones.

[littlewolf]

20. He lied under oath ... that is a felony ... that is what

the root of everything was ..... the President of the United States lied under oath
it doesn't matter what court or why ... he lied ... so impeachment proceedings went
forward ....

[Pathwalker]

24. She said HE LIED TO CONGRESS! He never testified before Congress.

Roger Clemens, on the other hand.... and if you think that was anything OTHER than their excuse for impeachment, then you should read The Hunting of The President.

[JuniperLea]

34. Excuse the fuck out of me...

Clinton lied to a grand jury and Ken Star brought that to Congress as an item of misconduct.

Fuck me all to hell... Cheese and Crackers Got AlMuddy...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

39. That Was One Of The Charges

The charges were

-lying in a deposition

-lying to the grand jury

-obstruction of justice

In the eyes of most legal experts only the first charge had any merit and not much.

[Winterblues]

25. He did not LIE under Oath

He used the legal description of sexual relations and by that description he did not LIE when he said he did not have sex. He was charged with misleading not Lieing..

[DemocratSinceBirth]

31. Plus you have to prove the lie was material.

That being said Bill Clinton gave his enemies a hammer. Fuck the Republicants. He was a great president.

[JoePhilly]

30. You just don't get it ....

He lied about a BJ because the spent YEARS and MILLIONS investigating him.

The BJ they found was EMBARASSING ... and they got him to lie.

They will hound Obama in a similar way. They will get former associates to LIE. (see WHITEWATER).

They will investigate every person who has every known Obama.

They will find a way, or MANUFACTURE ONE.

[JuniperLea]

35. All the while the suffering of the people will continue and worsen...

And that won't bode well for the RW self-righteous.

[JoePhilly]

41. Very ture ...

And the RW self-righteous won't care. They will love it. Their lives will SUCK, but the GOP will be bashing Obama endlessly, and that is what will sustain the dopes.

[Cosmocat]

40. it would be a grade A friggen disaster ...

and, someone tell me why on gods green earth the media isn't demanding Boehner to promise that they he won't pursue impeachment of BO, for doing NOTHING WRONG, when they completely put Nancy Pelosi through the ringer making her promise to not pursue impeachment of the MFers who lied the country into Iraq?>

[JoePhilly]

42. Very true.

Notice the GOP just voted against funding the troops ... is the media flipping out ... nope.

But when the Dems even considered doing the same thing, it was going to be an act of treason.

[GreenStormCloud]

48. Clinton was under oath.

[Xenotime]

37. He did not.

[immoderate]

5. Nope. Just a majority.

Anything they want can serve as a reason. Then they vote.

--imm

[JuniperLea]

10. Wrong...

There must be unlawful activity... look it up.

[immoderate]

29. High crimes and misdemeanors is whatever congress says it is...

Suppose a president is elected, and then decides to go on permanent vacation. never shows up. Could he be impeached? And if so, what is unlawful?

--imm

[edhopper]

6. They will hold nonstop

hearings until they find one.

[sabrina 1]

14. Actually there is NO need for 'unlawful activity'. I really wish people would

learn a little about their own constitution. YOU are correct, when the Constitution is abused as it was then, any reason will do. Those who used impeachment as a political weapon back then should have been prosecuted for the attempted coup d'etat of an elected president. As usual, no one had the political will to do it.

Bush lied so if that is what would 'do someone in', he certainly should have been impeached. Clinton lying had nothing to do with that impeachment.

I cannot get over the ignorance of the American people regarding their own laws. Thanks for trying to set the record straight.

[AlinPA]

38. Gerald Ford said that the House could impeach for any reason they want to. It gets sorted out in

the Senate.

[GrantDem]

44. These fuckwads will launch investigation after investigation...

and hearing after hearing until they find the slightest "offense". Regardless of how trivial or remote. THEN they will begin impeachment.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0810/41506.html

[RandomThoughts]

3. I don't think that was the right place to put political capital.

Use the political capital to help people and fix the mess, although later, and through other means I think there will be justice for those that knew they were acting in worse ways, even by willful ignorance.

I think many have the view that if you do bad, it was because you have no free will, or because 'that is your place' The 'everyone is in their place' is a rot for corruption, it excuses any action, and anything as not a free will choice, and allows for lack of empathy and lack of justice.

Part of fixing the mess will be reestablishment of law by removal of two tier justice, and one of the reasons they are blowing holes in the boat is to try to keep people to busy to fix other things also. When you start to go after corruption, it has to downward spiral to try to keep resources off it, things like blowing oil wells or starting wars, either culture or military is part of downward spiral.

You do what you can, multitask where possible, and know there will be beer and travel money, and many good experiences.

[edhopper]

8. what's with the

beer and traveling money reference in all your post?

[RandomThoughts]

21. Long story.

Started as a off hand comment, sorta becoming a 'keeping the dream' comment.

More for me to remember who I am, and still dream.

Years ago I was smeared, and have not had a social or economic life since then. Decided then that issue would be corrected, to walk away from that claim would be to accept the injustice of that smear. Although it means I have not really lived much in a normal way most of the last decade. Really not so much about beer and travel, as proper compensation to be able to do many things I have wanted to do.

And to be able to do that without having to accept the injustice of that issue.

:shrug: it is important while not important.

[peace frog]

4. Damn right they will

If it takes a trumped-up charge tried in a kangaroo court.

[rfranklin]

7. There will be a birth certificate commission....

and then impeachment.

[Davis_X_Machina]

12. Some -- not many, but some -- people here will cheer. n/t

[sabrina 1]

16. Who here would cheer Republicans lying about a Democratic President? That is

quite a charge and if such people ARE here, they should not be. If you know who they are perhaps you should report them instead of making vague references to their existence. Without any evidence provided by you, I will assume there is no such person still posting here.

[Davis_X_Machina]

19. Civil libertarians. Anti-corporatists/anti-capitalists. Peace activists.

All of whom, daily, get on here and accuse Obama of what would be prima-facie grounds for impeachment, an impeachment that would have been cheered, and rightly so, when similar acts were performed by a Republican president. And they wouldn't even be lying. Remember when Pelosi took impeachment off the table, and people here were livid?

I've seen Obama accused point blank of:

Being the recipient of bribes from banks, insurance companies, and the medical-industrial complex.
Conducting foreign wars in the absence of a Congressional declaration, for the benefit of corporate interests.
Violating Constitutional protections, by detention without trial, at GITMO and Baghram, by conducting wiretaps and intercepts of Internet communications without warrant, and by condemning American citizens to death without due process in drone attacks overseas.

Every one of these charges is made regularly here on DU.

Not by 'trolls', or 'freepers', or 'GOP operatives. By Democrats.

Every one.

And by any standard, they comprise high crimes and misdemeanors.

[sabrina 1]

27. Well, if that is what you are talking about no one needs to worry

about Republicans attempting to impeach him:

Being the recipient of bribes from banks, insurance companies, and the medical-industrial complex.

Conducting foreign wars in the absence of a Congressional declaration, for the benefit of corporate interests.

Violating Constitutional protections, by detention without trial, at GITMO and Baghram, by conducting wiretaps and intercepts of Internet communications without warrant, and by condemning American citizens to death without due process in drone attacks overseas.

I haven't seen anyone say 'bribes' I have seen people say 'influenced' which is the way this country works right now, and it is totally approved of by Republicans. Therefore they will never impeach anyone based on our corporated system since they are most responsible for its success.

Same things goes for 'wars for corporate interests'. No Republican would ever consider that to be an impeachable offense.

If people are saying that there are detainees still in detention centers without trial, they are saying it because it is true. And are you saying that political assassinations are LEGAL under our or International laws? Are you actually defending these policies? Because if you are, you are in full agreement with the right, who again, will never impeach a president, Dem or Rep for assassinations or torture.

However, Bush should have been impeached before any of this got to the point it is now where we have become the equivalent of a third world dictatorship.

But you can rest assured that if Republicans go after this president, it will not be because of those issues you refer to. If only they would go after presidents for war crimes. You are dreaming. We do not prosecute American leaders for war crimes. He is far more likely to be prosecuted if he ended those policies.

[Davis_X_Machina]

54. I concede that the GOP would impeach..

....hell, will impeach, over a bunch of ginned-up happy crap.

But what if they impeached over the failings I mentioned?

If I were a new-minted Speaker Boehner, that's exactly what I'd do.

If I'm Boehner, I'm already am a total hypocrite, so the massive inconsistency of it all wouldn't even slow me down. But it would put the professional left on the horns of a dilemma... (I don't think Boehner's that sharp, but who knows?)

Would progressives really throw their principles out the window, punt on consistency, and die in the last ditch to defend Obama? Whom they neither like nor trust going in? Would they watch silently? Or would they join in? If it's the first, then it is, after all, really all about what team the guy is on, and not what he's done. And if that's the case, how are we different from the opposition?

[sabrina 1]

64. You're asking all the wrong questions.

You are asking if American citizens should defend a politician IF he is guilty of war crimes. The fact that someone would even ask that question shows how far gone this country is.

The sad thing is, as I said already, no president needs to worry about either party impeaching him/her for war crimes. War crimes have now become the policy of the U.S.

Boehner would never attempt to raise these issues unless he is politically suicidal.

'How are we different from the opposition'. Some are not, that has become obvious over the past few years. But we'll never have to test that theory as it has become very clear that this country accepts torture and lies about war as policy among other things. Both parties. As for the American people, they don't have much to say about any of it right now. But they can still speak out against these things so we don't go down in history as having been silent about them.

[Davis_X_Machina]

65. I guess you'd support the impeachment of Obama then...

...if it came up, being unwilling to let officials slide, or stand by in silence, then.

Else, he's not actually guilty of prosecuting an undeclared war of aggression, because he's on our team.

[mmonk]

63. Sorry but I'm going to call you out on that.

Some might say this is what happens due to not impeaching bush and wouldn't be incorrect. But most would say the Republicans are the least in position to talk impeachment. So quit bearing false witness as there is enough of that going around already when people of conscience try to speak up.

[Ozymanithrax]

13. They will begin 24/7 investigations into Obama...

We will be reading of new 'gate scandals daily. At some point, they will charge him with something. A crime is irrelevant. Impeachment for the Republicans is a political act. They won't care if the Senate upholds impeachment. The purpose is to cripple a Democratic administration not to actually prove anybody did anything wrong.

[littlewolf]

18. I really don't see impeachment .. really don't

this sounds more like the sky is falling ....

[izquierdista]

26. I can recommend an optometrist...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

28. There's A Lot Of That Here

You missed the martial law, concentration camps, and canceled elections talk.

Before somebody brings up Bill Clinton at least there was a pretext, as flimsy as it was.

There will be no impeachment.

[Ozymanithrax]

61. Invesitgation and charges are to cripple the administration...

It is part of the notion that politics is war and you use everything to fight that war.

Talk about impeachment of Clinton started in December of 2002, long before Clinton smoked that cigar or asked "what the meaning of is is." Most of those 'gates were jsut made up. The murder of Vince Foster, the haircut on the tarmac and many others were pure fiction. They investigated until they found something.

All it really requires is for a mjaority in the House to indict the President. That is impeahcment.

Congressman Issa is already leading the charge, already has a list of suspicious things he wants to investigate. I don't think that any Republican thinks they can make a case that will be upheld by the Senate, but that isn't the point. The point of constant investigations is to cripple the Democratic Administrastion.

[stuntcat]

23. I can imagine how much time and energy and attention will be wasted

At a time when our citizens need to finally realize the biggest things happening to the planet and to the billions of poor people.. a great time for us to change our way of life a little, and learn to live together. This is when the US will spend at least two years impeaching it's first black president.
If I gambled I'd bet my life on this happening

[seabeyond]

22. really.. there has to be a reason. i am seeing impeach obama and thinking dumb fucks

drive all over town showing the world how stupid you are. ask any of these people why, and they have no specifics.

bush broke laws.... impeach

obama, nope. nothing yet.

[JoePhilly]

33. They will MANUFACTURE a reason ... !!!!!!!!!

They will investigate Barack. They will investigate Michelle. They will investigate every person they have ever known.

They will pay people to LIE. They will be no less relentless on this than they were on WHITEWATER.

Try to remember, the GOP has no plan to govern. They will have plenty of time to INVESTIGATE NONSENSE.

And they will do so, and if they can find anything, no matter how ridiculous, they will use it.

[seabeyond]

46. but at this point, to simply yell IMPEACH, shows the world what fools they are. ignorant

fats are facts.

if they "manufacture" something, then the yelling makes a little more sense

as it is

not so much sense.

[JoePhilly]

55. Here are my picks for their "reasons" ....

Obama's Birth Certificate.
Tony Rezko and real estate.
Michelle's former position.
Blagoiovich and Burris
Any action by any appointee
Any bad actions by a friend from the past

btw ... impeachment is not the real goal ... tying up the Obama Administration in endless investigations is the true goal. Doing so prevents the Obama administration from doing ANYTHING.

Which is the GOP goal. Have the government "do nothing".

[Initech]

49. Yup - just like they did with Clinton.

[onenote]

32. standing offer: $100 to DU from me if you're right, $100 from you to DU if you're wrong

[JuniperLea]

36. All hail the DUer who puts money in place of mouth!

:patriot:

It won't help them to harangue Obama... if that's all they do, people will continue to suffer... and they will notice.

[walldude]

43. For what?

They have no legal grounds to even start impeachment.

And if you want to bring up Clinton well, he didn't get impeached did he? Was he removed from office? No. No impeachment.

[superduperfarleft]

60. Impeachment does not guarantee removal from office.

Clinton was definitely impeached.

[Fumesucker]

45. And there in a nutshell you have the essential difference between Republicans and Democrats..

"Impeachment is off the table" -Speaker Pelosi

"All impeachment, all the time" -Speaker Bohner

Say what you will about Republicans, their politicians are not spineless jellyfish politically.

[GreenStormCloud]

47. Doubtful. They learned their lesson from their disaster with Clinton.

As for the 60/40 fillibuster rule, that is something that I often see DUers complain about.

[damntexdem]

50. They can't change the 2/3 requirement for conviction in the Senate.

And impeaching Clinton only made him more popular.

[Rex]

51. Why not!? They stole an election, impeached a POTUS over a blowjob,

continue to steal trillions from the Treasury (with approval) and know they can impeach Obama for no apparent reason whatsoever. Until someone stops the Repuke Core, nothing progressive will ever get done - they will just filibuster it to death! This is trickledown progressiveness thanks to the GOP (to bad the M$M loves the GOP).

[TK421]

52. What material do they have to work with here that warrants an impeachment?

:shrug: I need that cleared up, sorry...unless I missed something

[Pathwalker]

53. Here, click on this link another DUer posted:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0810/41506.html

Just think of investigations in both the House and Senate, starting with his birth certificate, and moving on from there, with, no doubt, Newt as their counselor...

[TK421]

56. If that's the case then I won't even bother clicking on the link...your response

tells me all I need to know..that it is just a nasty smear attempt

Unless this link provides solid evidence of material for impeachment...don't take my post the wrong way, please

[Pathwalker]

57. No evidence against President Obama, but it proves

that they have every intention of investigating everything, while governing nothing.

[TK421]

58. Understood...and thank you n/t

[Ozymanithrax]

62. Link to Darrell Issa's investigation project.

Analysis of the First Year of the Obama Administration: Public Relations and Propaganda Initiatives

Democrats, Meet Darrell Issa, Likely the Man With the Subpoena

It doesn't matter if this stuff is legit. It only matters if 24/7 investigations can convince the Republican base to support an impeachment, and it passes by a simple majority in the House. Even if the Senate will never convict, impeachment does its damage by hamstringing and weakening an administration.

[edhopper]

59. Does no one remember that the Clinton impeachment

started with the billionaire funded Paula Jones story.
They set out to get him.
The BJ story came later and they used whatever they could.