MSNBC is saying we didn't get the 60 on DADT to overcome filibuster. Not

[gateley]

official, no final tally, but that's what they're saying.

Rachel on to comment now.

[mdmc]

1. How could we get 60 votes?

We have a bunch of corporatist on our side, and the party of no on the other side..

[Skidmore]

2. No, you have a bunch of Republicans filibustering the bill.

Backed by a bunch of bigoted frauds.

[gateley]

4. Yes. Only 3 (although I'm so pissed at them I'm almost shaking) of "ours"

voted against it.

[gateley]

3. A BUNCH? Only 3 voted against it. Don't throw them all under the buss. Sheesh.

[mdmc]

21. I didn't know the count

three is a crowd, but I thought we would have a much larger group of bigots under our tent.. 3 ain't bad, all things considered..

[gateley]

23. Three is three too many, I agree. But they were the ones who always piss us

off and stab us in the back, so it wasn't a bunch of corporatists. Although I agree we do have some.

[Radical Activist]

15. Just like every other issue.

[pinto]

5. 56 Yes - 44 No, if I heard correctly.

:hi:

[4lbs]

6. There was needed at least one Repuke vote for Cloture, since even with Lieberman and Sanders,

the Democrats have only 59 votes for cloture.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

7. A useless sack of shit like Lincoln, who has nothing to lose at this point.

Still decides to stab the party in the back. After all the White House and Clinton did for her sorry ass. Unfuckingbelievable.

[gateley]

10. Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. What's her agenda on this? Maybe she's

just really a bitch. Or a closet Republican. Or not even closeted, come to think of it.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

14. At this point she's abandoned any pretense. Good luck to her at her new

"consultant/lobbyist" career.

[laughingliberal]

22. Her agenda is lining up her next job & keeping her prospective employers happy. nt

[Supersedeas]

33. maybe she is casting for a role in a future RW Republican Admin

[Individualist]

34. She's doing exactly what DLC wants

"The Democratic Leadership Council's agenda is indistinguishable from the Republican Neoconservative agenda," Dennis Kucinich

[mmonk]

36. +1

That is why she doesn't have to go through arm twisting and threats like that reserved for people like Kucinich.

[Radical Activist]

16. I'll be happy to see her lose.

I guess fucking over unions and the environment wasn't enough.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

20. I guess her philosophy is: "Why fuck somebody half way when you can give it to 'em good?" nt

[KittyWampus]

37. after Congresscritters leave Congress, they bank of making corporate masters happy as lobbyists,

rainmakers etc.

Lincoln is just looking ahead to secure her future financial fortune.

[PopSixSquish]

8. Webb Was Already on Record as a No Vote

Which others did this?

[Drunken Irishman]

13. Nelson and Lincoln.

[LiberalAndProud]

17. I'm assuming that was Ben?

Fuck me. I'm so sorry, guys.

[Hansel]

29. Webb voted yes. nt

[madamesilverspurs]

9. Expected homophobic intransigence from the GOP.

But if I were to tell the Dems who voted 'no' what I think of them, my dad would come back from the grave to make me eat a bar of soap.

This. Is. Disgusting.


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[madamesilverspurs]

11. self delete - dupe

[madamesilverspurs]

12. self delete - dupe -computer fart

[budkin]

18. Make them actually Filibuster it.

[pscot]

19. I can't watch the Senate

the Democrats are really leaderless. Somebody has to step up.

[Jax]

24. Like Obama

he needs to get in their fucking faces now.

[Drunken Irishman]

25. Bullshit.

The Democrats are leaderless? They rallied almost all their votes to pass this. Three defected. Of those three, one is a lameduck who knows she is out in November regardless. The other two were not going to budge regardless.

This isn't about the Democrats lacking leadership. It's about the Democrats not having a filibuster-proof majority.

[Bumblebee]

27. which they used to have -- and...?

[Drunken Irishman]

28. They never had it.

They needed 60 votes.

The Democrats don't have 60 seats.

They have 59. Even if every Democrat (including Lieberman, who caucuses with the Democrats) voted for this, they would still need one Republican.

[pscot]

30. They are being outplayed

If you have the numbers and you're still losing, you're being outplayed and outsmarted. Mitch McConnell is working with a better game plan than Harry Reid.

[Drunken Irishman]

31. They never had the numbers!

Do you even know how this works?

The Democrats needed 60 votes. Even if every Democrat voted to repeal, that would still leave them ONE VOTE SHORT.

That's not having the votes.

[Better Believe It]

26. Keep repeal of DADT on the Senate floor. Don't withdraw the bill!

[JCMach1]

32. Real fillibuster will expose the intolerance on the Right... time to do it

[Better Believe It]

35. But don't withdraw the bill! Keep the Senate in session on this one bill until 60 votes are won.

That would be what, a couple days or a week at most?

The other option is to once again wave the white flag and surrender to Republican obstructionists.