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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 09:35 PM
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Can any Dem STILL honestly argue that the Catfood Commission was a good idea?
It's only thanks to the commission that any changes to Social Security or Medicare are in play politically.

It's only thanks to the commission that we're hearing public figures in this country openly discuss leaving seniors with essentially nothing to live on and forcing people to retire later(thus forcing them to waste their lives in drudgery for longer than they should have to).

It's only thanks to the commission that Wall Street STILL has a chance to get it greedy fingers on the entitlement money.

No swing voters were demanding any of the above.

The American people had made it clear, once and for all, that they wouldn't tolerate any attack on SSN.

It was over.

Why the hell couldn't our leaders LEAVE it at that?

Can anybody make any case at all that any good comes from giving the poorbashers and the elderphobiacs a chance that they never otherwise would have had?
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 09:38 PM
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1. It STILL doesn't bother me
It STILL isn't going to change anything.

And the only victim of the entire experience has got to be to the credibility of internet bloggers.


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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 09:41 PM
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3. If there'd been no commission, SSN privatization would have been a dead issue, forever.
So would any attack on Medicare.

There was no great strategic gain made from giving the corporate RIGHT a chance they would never again otherwise have had.

NOBODY was demanding the Commission from Obama. And nobody only voted for him or donated to him because it was offered.

Then again, you've never believed that our policies should be different from Republican policies anyway(other than on the trivial side issues, like they were with Clinton).
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 09:47 PM
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8. FFS. We knew that to get out of the economic catastrophe we were going to have to run huge deficits
The "commission" gives a little bit of cover to at-risk Dems this year.


However, even if the Republicans take all 435 seats in Congress in November, THEY will not be voting on "the" recommendations.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 09:53 PM
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9. No it doesn't.
Nobody in the grassroots is demanding SSN privatization. Only the banksters ever wanted that.

There are no Democrats whose seats will be saved by the commission.

And as for the deficits...well, the only way to provide cover for them would have been for ALL of our leaders to be out there, day after day, passionately and confidently making the case for government intervention in the economy. We're only in trouble now because

A)They DIDN'T do that, and

B)They didn't agree, at the start, to do the much larger intervention that would actually have been needed to stabilize the situation. We needed a Second New Deal, and our leaders didn't have the balls to get out and fight for that in the court of public opinion.
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 10:03 PM
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13. Sadly, some of the folks that did (or say they did) vote for the President
Have been undermining him since the get go.

And it is getting so old...
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 10:13 PM
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14. It's the people who came up with the Commission idea
that are undermining the president.

Not those of us who voted for him(and you know damn well you have no reason to question whether opponents of the Commission actually DID vote for Obama-we ALL did.)

Every centrist choice has reduced Obama's support. The only popular decisions he's made were the progressive, rather than centrist ones.
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 10:46 PM
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15. You apparently don't understand your political opponents. *hint* I am not one of them
For the last year all I have heard from the Teabaggers & even traditional Republicans is spending, spending, spending. Debt, debt debt.

By having the vote on the "commission" recommendations in December, the entire idea was to silence the idiots, provide cover for Dems in swing districts, and not do a god-damned thing to Social Security or Medicare. Pure political theatre.




Unfortunately, Hampster Co. et al have ruined what was pretty sound political strategy. Pretty fucked up.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 11:06 PM
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16. Given that the commission has had no positive results for us, how can you still think
Edited on Mon Sep-20-10 11:08 PM by Ken Burch
that it was worth doing?

If it hadn't been there...the SSN debate would have been over and there'd be no talk at all of gutting Medicare.

...And, you're forgetting that they've attacked Obama and the rest of us as potential destroyers of Social Security and Medicare. The commission has HELPED them do this.

What part of "it's a failed strategy" do you not get?

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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 11:10 PM
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17. It failed because of unfair criticism from the self-proclaimed "left"
It seemed like sound strategy at the time.
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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 11:22 PM
Response to Reply #17
21. yeah, appoint a commission to study social security and staff it with people
who are well-known for wanting to gut it...in the hopes everyone will see you're looking at reducing the deficit by considering cuts to the one social program left that hasn't been completely demonized by the right wing.
That's some great three-dimensional chess there.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 11:54 PM
Response to Reply #17
26. Of course it did...IF you were DLC
no non-conservative Dems ever thought it could work.

We didn't HAVE to put Social Security or Medicare in the cuts mix at all.
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 01:25 AM
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37. But NOTHING is going to happen
Why is this so tough to digest?

EVERYONE knows that nothing is going to happen to Social Security or Medicare.




At this point I am dumbfounded.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 05:20 AM
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52. If "nothing is going to happen", then the commission is simply a waste of time
and won't have the effect of bringing over any Republican votes on anything anyway.

Republicans won't cast cross-aisle votes if they get nothing in return. They'd insist on getting Dem backing for entitlement cuts.

They're not going to just let themselves get played.

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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 11:58 PM
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28. There's no way that progressive support for the Commission could ever have led to anything positive
We all knew the Commission would have to be controlled by the Right no matter what.

How can you still even pretend otherwise?

The lesson of all of this is clear...no Democratic president should ever listen to anyone on Wall Street.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 11:24 PM
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22. The debate could have been about cutting the military budget.
Commission members talked about that more seriously than they spoke about cuts to social security but bloggers largely ignored it. Some people's misguided idea of pushing Obama destroyed the opportunity to put the debate on winning ground for progressives. "Catfood commission" was a much more fun way to attack Obama than pushing for a cut in the defense budget. In fact, defense cuts are the only solid thing to come out of it so far, which I call a pretty damn good victory.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 11:53 PM
Response to Reply #22
25. Why assume that the ONLY way to get a debate about cutting the war budget
was to insist on putting Social Security and Medicare on the block as well?

It's not like there was this large group of politicians who'd have backed cutting the war budget, but ONLY if the entitlements were up for sacrifice as well.

Face it, there was never the possibility that the Commission could EVER have had progressive results.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 12:04 AM
Response to Reply #25
31. Why assume that those programs were "on the block?"
We still don't have anything but unconfirmed speculation about that.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 11:15 PM
Response to Reply #3
18. I thought privatization was raised by pundits demagoguing the commission.
Krugman etc. I can't blame the commission for the wild speculation of others.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 11:59 PM
Response to Reply #18
29. No...it included people like Alan Simpson.
There was NEVER any good reason to appoint anyone on the Right, especially an elder-hater like Simpson, to the Commission at all.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 12:02 AM
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30. And Alan Simpson talked about cutting defense spending.
Do you think a few Republican Senators on the committee would be better at making the argument to other Republicans for defense cuts than another liberal Democrat? Isn't it significant that Democrats only need one or two Republican Senators to pass anything good? Those one of two votes could have come from just the ones sitting on the commission. Doesn't that seem like a good reason? hmmm...
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 12:44 AM
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34. The last two years PROVE that Republicans in Congress were NEVER going to vote with Obama
on anything.

Look at HCR. Look at the "financial reform" bill. Those proved that nobody on that side will EVER work with us.

So get a clue about that already.

There is no such thing as bipartisanship, and there never can be. Therefore, it can't ever be worth even trying it.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 03:27 AM
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39. The facts don't fit your narrative.
Actually, Obama has gotten a few Republican votes on most of his major bills, including financial reform. He needed to get Republicans on financial reform to make up for defecting Democrats like Feingold. Remember now?

You can spout slogans all you want, but the last two years PROVE that Obama needs and has gotten Republican votes on several important bills. If the deficit commission did no more than get two Republican votes for things like a tax increase or defense budget cuts then it will be a huge success.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 03:37 AM
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40. Feingold isn't a defector
Voting against a bill because it's been watered-down to nothing(as we both know the finance bill was)is not the same thing as voting against a bill because you don't want change.

The only ones you have legitimate reason to see as defectors are the Blue Dogs. It's not defection to stand up for progressive principles and Feingold didn't betray anybody. If the bill had still BEEN progressive, Feingold would have backed it and it would have passed without GOP votes. It's not victory to settle for a bill that's LESS than half a loaf, that only makes slight changes. Slight change is just the status quo with new wrapping paper.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 03:45 AM
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43. Three Republicans voted for the financial reform bill.
Scott Brown, Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins. That gave it just 60 votes. It would not have passed filibuster without their votes.

You've been shown that the facts contradict your assumption that it's a total waste of time for Obama to seek the votes of a few Republicans Senators. In fact, it's essential that he get those votes since we have "Democrats" like Lieberman and Nelson.

Do you try to change the subject again or do you admit that your narrative is not based in fact?
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 03:51 AM
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44. They voted yes...after getting the bill watered down even MORE
Their demands made the passage of the bill nearly meaningless. It isn't worth passing a bill when you have to give up more than 10 or 20% of its objectives to do so(and in this case, it was more like 40% to 50%. Wall Street didn't give up anything in the final form of the bill.

Keeping the bill strong would have kept Feingold's vote, and encouraging massive public pressure for a strong bill would have brought in the Blue Dogs from states with a populist heritage-nobody in Arkansas wants bankers and brokers to get off scot-free, neither does anybody in Nebraska. You get the votes of Blue Dogs in states like that by reminding them that they represent "the little guy", not Wall Street.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 04:02 AM
Response to Reply #44
47. Would you prefer that there be no new reforms or a Consumer Financial Protection Agency?
You answered my question: you prefer to change the subject. Again. Conservative talk radio listeners always chase a tangent when they're proven wrong too.

Sure, changes could have gotten Feingold's vote. They also would have lost the votes of the Republicans that the bill needed to pass. Byrd was dead so there were only 59 Democrats. Getting Feingold and losing 3 Republicans (plus conservative Democrats) would have meant no bill. What you're arguing would have meant no bill at all.

You can imagine all the scenarios from the land of make believe that you like. The simple fact is that you were wrong to suggest that Obama can't get a few Republican votes. He can and he has.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 04:10 AM
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49. It's meaningless to say he can get those votes
When the price of those votes is making the bills too weak to be worth passing.

Gradualism doesn't work in the kinds of politics we have nowadays. The fact is, every Congress we're going to have under Obama is almost certain(and yes, I'd be glad to be wrong)to be MORE Republican than this. This was our best chance to get real bills passed, or to use the RIGHT'S obstructionism to gain seats in the House and Senate. By settling for weak bills, we lost these two years and we're not going to be able to do anything in the years to come.

We can assume no Republicans in the future will ever vote to strengthen any of these bills. If they wanted them weak now, they will ALWAYS want them weak. They're not going to say "OK, we'll let the good stuff get added later".

And you're insistence on getting me to concede a trivial point is childish. It wouldn't mean anything if I were to say "OK, he can get some Republican votes" because, as I've demonstrated, the price of those votes was the castration of the bills. It may be a truth, but its a worthless truth, and it isn't a model for successful politics.

Besides, these bills had nothing to do with what the Commission was talking about, so Republican votes on the issues you mention don't prove anything about what the results of the Commission can be. We aren't going to get Republican votes on the deficit issue because we gave Alan Simpson a platform to make abusive comments about the elderly.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 11:37 AM
Response to Reply #49
54. So you would prefer no progress at all.
Some people would rather fail righteously than accomplish anything. I'd rather get something done. You've presented no rational scenario in which Obama could have passed a stronger bill since conservative DEMOCRATIC Senators are often the problem. Obama has to deal with the Senate as it really is, and not the Senate you wish existed in the land of make believe.
I'll point out that every bit of progress in American history has happened gradually, has never been everything activists wanted, and has almost always lead to more progress down the road.

Maybe someday you could try making arguments with a foundation in factual observations.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 04:03 AM
Response to Reply #44
48. The last two years PROVE that Obama can get a few Republican votes
on major bills. That's what the deficit commission was designed to do. I thought I would bring the conversation back to the main point.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 04:13 AM
Response to Reply #48
50. I'll concede that he can get those votes at the price of making the bills
Edited on Tue Sep-21-10 04:24 AM by Ken Burch
too weak to matter, or by(in the case of healthcare)arranging the phase-in in such a way as to guarantee that the program will start in deep unpopularity(with sacrifice for the consumers first and tiny gains only MUCH later)which means the program will always BE unpopular(people don't come around later to supporting legislation that screws them over in its early years).
It's not an example of "three dimensional chess" to get Republican votes by letting them put poison pills in the legislation(and that's what every concession they demanded was-a deliberate act of sabotage that will end up destroying any public support for the legislation and make it impossible to improve the legislation in the future).


Obama can get a handful of Republican votes. Faust cut a deal for immortality. In both cases, we'd have to agree that the price of the deal was way the Hell too high.

And once the Teabaggers hit the Senate, no Republican will EVER again work with our party again. The 'baggers will simply make it impossible for them do so.

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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 03:41 AM
Response to Reply #3
42. "SSN privatization would have been a dead issue, forever."
My view of "forever" is slightly longer than "every two years".

YMMV.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 03:53 AM
Response to Reply #42
45. After Bush faced a grassroots uproar over it that made him back down in 2005
(a year when his party had total dominance in D.C.) Repubs would never have been suicidal enough to raise the issue themselves anymore. They were going to have to leave the entitlements alone or face prairie fire at the polls.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 04:52 AM
Response to Reply #45
51. Okay, I can safely say that maybe you haven't been following politics.
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 09:54 PM
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11. Change you can misbelieve in!
Oh it could CHANGE everything. If this commission recommends cutting SS benefits, or raising the retirement age, and Obama adopts the recommendations, he'll be a one term president. Guarantee it.
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 10:02 PM
Response to Reply #11
12. But that is never going to happen.
The whole thing is a politically-calculated stunt. We knew this from the get go.

Why is this so difficult to understand?
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 02:31 AM
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38. Because of previous "stunts"
Like promises of a public option. And assertions that Obama was playing some weird multi level chess game, when he was actually just getting his ass kicked by traitorous conservadems and insane rethuglicans. We'll see if he's actually learned anything when the catfood commission reports in December.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 11:18 PM
Response to Reply #1
20. No kidding.
Although I doubt any pundits will be rushing to hold their friends accountable for creating the liberal version of death squads to scare seniors and boomers.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 09:40 PM
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2. A horrible idea that originated with 2 horrible Senators. Nothing good can come of it. nt
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obxhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 09:41 PM
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4. Exactly right. All the commission does is put cuts on the table.
I keep seeing people post here that Obama does not have to do what the commission says.

Why did they even have to bother with it? The only reason to form it is to be open to cutting/postponing benefits.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 09:41 PM
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5. We arent the people Obama created the commission for
Our voices dont mean shit to that crowd.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 09:42 PM
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6. It's an exercise in absurdity to have assembled a commission..
with the stated goal of reducing the deficit via "entitlement" cuts at precisely the same time your government is printing trillions of dollars to rescue wealthy investors from their bad bets.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 09:46 PM
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7. Sad, but quite true. n/t
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pscot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 09:54 PM
Response to Reply #6
10. An exercise in stupidity
especially in the runup to an election.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 11:16 PM
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19. +1
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 11:36 PM
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23. Well, as you see, they can and will.
Hell, even when SS benefits are cut and/or we see an age increase, there will be Democrats defending it.

Funny, isn't it, like how the protests against the wars died down when Obama took office.
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 11:39 PM
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24. YES! If you look at the TRUTH!
AND if you stop reading the disinformation from PUMA sites.

Ya know, they have a website. And they have videos of their meetings. You can see for yourself that the whole "catfood commission" meme is bullshit. But the PUMA's don't want to acknowledge that, do they. The PUMA's don't want to actually see the videos, or the Truth. Because the Truth goes against the anti-Democratic meme that PUMA's keep trying to push in Rovian style.

I encourage everyone to Google "Fiscal Commission" and stop being a "sheeple"
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 11:56 PM
Response to Reply #24
27. No one on the commission EVER proposed anything progressive.
It was all austerity, all social spending cuts FROM THE GET-GO.

Nobody there ever proposed cutting the war budget.

Why do you still believe the corporate wing of the party?
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 12:16 AM
Response to Reply #27
33. Oh, really? Why don't you go look at the FACTS?
YES, they DID suggest cutting the Defense Spending budget. they DID suggest several Progressive measures, such as raising the cap on SS taxes.

Go look for yourself, instead of spreading disinformation.

Why do YOU support the Corporate wing? They are the ones that were against HCR!
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 12:04 AM
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32. James K. Galbraith: "Your proceedings are clouded by illegitimacy".
There Is No Economic Justification for Deficit Reduction
by James K. Galbraith

Statement to the Commission on Deficit Reduction

by James K. Galbraith, Lloyd M. Bentsen, jr. Chair in Government/Business Relations, Lyndon B. Johnson School of Public Affairs, The University of Texas at Austin, and Vice President, Americans for Democratic Action, June 30, 2010


Mr. Chairmen, members of the commission, thank you for inviting this statement.

I am a professional economist, but I have served in a political role, as Executive Director of the Joint Economic Committee of the United States Congress. I am offering this statement on behalf of Americans for Democratic Action, an organization co-founded in 1949 by (among others) Eleanor Roosevelt, John Kenneth Galbraith, Arthur M. Schlesinger, jr., and Ronald Reagan. Accordingly I would like to begin with a political comment.

1. Clouds over the Work of the Commission.

Your proceedings are clouded by illegitimacy.
In this respect, there are four major issues.

First, most of your meetings are secret, apart from two open sessions before this one, which were plainly for show. There is no justification for secret meetings on deficit reduction. No secrets of any kind are involved. Nothing you say will affect financial markets. Congress long ago -- in 1975 -- reformed its procedures to hold far more sensitive and complicated meetings, notably legislative markups, in the broad light of day.

Secrecy breeds suspicion: first, that your discussions are at a level of discourse so low that you feel it would be embarrassing to disclose them. Second, that some members of the commission are proceeding from fixed, predetermined agendas. Third, that the purpose of the secrecy is to defer public discussion of cuts in Social Security and Medicare until after the 2010 elections. You could easily dispel these suspicions by publishing video transcripts of all of your meetings on the Internet, and by holding all future meetings in public. Please do so.

Second, there is a question of leadership. A bipartisan commission should approach its task in a judicious, open-minded and dispassionate way. For this, the attitude and temperament of the leadership are critical.

I first met Senator Simpson when we were both on Capitol Hill; at Harvard he became friends with my late parents. He is admirably frank in his views. But Senator Simpson has plainly shown that he lacks the temperament to do a fair and impartial job on this commission. This is very clear from the abusive response he made recently to Alex Lawson of Social Security Works, who was asking important questions about the substance of the commission's work, as well as calling attention to the illegitimate secrecy under which you are operating.

A general cannot speak of the President with contempt. Likewise the leader of a commission intended to sway the public cannot display contempt for the public. With due respect, Senator Simpson's conduct fails that test.

Third, most members of the Commission are political leaders, not economists. With all respect for Alice Rivlin, with just one economist on board you are denied access to the professional arguments surrounding this highly controversial issue. In general, it is impossible to have a fair discussion of any important question when the professional participants in that discussion have been picked, in advance, to represent a single point of view.

Conflicts of interest constitute the fourth major problem. The fact that the Commission has accepted support from Peter G. Peterson, a man who has for decades conducted a relentless campaign to cut Social Security and Medicare, raises the most serious questions. Quite apart from the merits of Mr. Peterson's arguments, this act must be condemned. A Commission serving public purpose cannot accept funds or other help from a private party with a strong interest in the outcome of that Commission's work. Your having done so is a disgrace.

In my view you also should not have accepted help from the Economic Policy Institute, even though EPI's positions on the merits are substantially closer to mine.

Let me now turn to the economic questions. A first economic question is, what caused the deficits and rising public debt? The answer comes in two parts: present deficits and projected future deficits.

2. Current Deficits and Rising Debt Were Caused by the Financial Crisis.

Overwhelmingly, the present deficits are caused by the financial crisis. The financial crisis, the fall in asset (especially housing) values, and withdrawal of bank lending to business and households has meant a sharp decline in economic activity, and therefore a sharp decrease in tax revenues and an increase in automatic payments for unemployment insurance and the like. According to a new IMF staff analysis, fully half of the large increase in budget deficits in major economies around the world is due to collapsing tax revenues, and a further large share to low (often negative) growth in relation to interest payments on existing debt. Less than ten percent is due to increased discretionary public expenditure, as in stimulus packages.

This point is important because it shows that the claim that deficits have resulted from "overspending" is false, both in the United States and abroad.

3. Future Deficit Projections Are Generally Based on Forecasts Which Begin by Assuming Full Recovery, But This Assumption Is Highly Unrealistic.

Unlike the present deficits, expected future deficits are not usually considered to be due to continued recession and high unemployment. To understand how the discussion of future deficits is being framed, it is necessary to grasp the work of the principal forecasting authority, the Congressional Budget Office. CBO's projections proceed in two steps. First, they wipe out the current deficits, over a very short time horizon, by assuming a full economic recovery. Second, they create an entirely new source of future deficits, essentially out of whole cloth. The critical near-term assumption in the CBO baseline concerns employment. CBO claims to expect a relatively rapid return, over five years, to high levels of employment, and the baseline incorporates a correspondingly high rate of real growth in the early recovery from the great crisis. If this were to happen, then tax revenues would recover, and ordinarily the projected deficits would disappear. This is what did happen under full employment in the late 1990s.

But under present financial conditions this scenario of a rapid return to high employment is highly unrealistic. It can only happen if the credit system finances economic growth, which implies a rising level of private (household and company) debt relative to GDP. And that clearly is not going to happen. On the contrary, de-leveraging in the private sector is sure to remain the rule for a long time, as mortgages and other debts default or are paid down, and as many households remain effectively insolvent due to their mortgage debt.

With high unemployment, high public deficits are inevitable. The only choice is between an active deficit, incurred by putting people to work or otherwise serving national needs -- such as providing a decent retirement and health care to the aged -- and a passive deficit, incurred because at high unemployment tax revenues necessarily fail to cover public spending. Cutting public spending or raising taxes, now or in the future, by any amount, cannot reduce a deficit due to high unemployment. The only fiscal effect is to convert an active deficit into a passive one -- with disastrous economic and social effects.

4. Having Cured the Deficits with an Unrealistic Forecast, CBO Recreates Them with Another, Very Different, But Equally Unrealistic Forecast.

In the CBO models, high future deficits and rising debt relative to GDP are expected. But the source is not a weak economy. It is a set of assumptions describing an economy after full recovery from the present crisis. In the CBO forecasts, big future deficits arise from a combination of (a) rapidly rising health care costs and (b) rising short-term interest rates, in the context of (c) a rapid return to high employment and (d) continued low overall inflation. This combination produces, mechanically, a very large net interest payout and a rapidly rising public debt in relation to a slowly rising nominal GDP.

Even if CBO were right about recovery, which it is not, this projection is internally inconsistent and wholly implausible. It isn't going to happen. Low overall inflation (at two percent) is inconsistent with the projected rise of short-term interest rates to nearly five percent. Why would the central bank carry out such a policy when no threat of inflation justifies it? But the assumed rise in interest rates drives the projected debt-to-GDP dynamic.

Similarly, the rise in projected interest payments is inconsistent with low nominal inflation. Interest payments rising to over 20 percent of GDP by mid-century would constitute new federal spending similar in scale to the mobilization for World War II. Obviously this cannot happen with two percent inflation. And although a higher inflation rate is undesirable, arithmetically it means a lower debt-to-GDP ratio.

Finally, rapidly rising health care costs and low overall inflation are mutually consistent only if all prices except health care are rising at less than that low overall inflation rate -- including energy and food prices in a time of increasing scarcity. This too is extremely unlikely. Either overall health care costs will decelerate (relieving the so-called Medicare funding problem) or the overall inflation rate will accelerate -- reducing the debt-to-GDP ratio.

In sum: the economic forecasts on which you are being asked to develop a credible plan for reducing deficits over the medium term are a mess. The unemployment and growth forecasts are implausibly optimistic, while the inflation and interest rates projections are implausibly pessimistic and mutually inconsistent.

Good policy cannot be based on bad forecasts. As a first step in your work -- long overdue -- the Commission should require the development of internally consistent, and factually plausible, economic forecasts on which to base future deficit and debt projections.

5. The Only Way to Reduce Public Deficits Is to Restore Private Credit.

The conclusion to draw from the above argument is that large deficits going forward are likely to have the same source as they do right now: stubbornly high unemployment.

The only way to reduce a deficit caused by unemployment is to reduce unemployment. And this must be done with a substantial component of private financing, which is to say by bank credit, if the public deficit is going to be reduced. This is a fact of accounting. It is not a matter of theory or ideology; it is merely a fact. The only way to grow out of our deficit is to cure the financial crisis.

To cure the financial crisis would require two comprehensive measures. The first is debt restructuring for the entire household sector, to restore private borrowing power. The second is a reconstruction of the banking system, effectively purging the toxic assets from bank balance sheets and also reforming the bank personnel and compensation and other practices that produced the financial crisis in the first place. To repeat: this is the only way to generate deficit-reducing, privately-funded growth and employment.

As a former top adviser in the Clinton White House, co-chairman Bowles no doubt knows that privately-funded economic growth produced the boom years of the late 1990s and the associated surplus in the federal budget. He must also know that the practices of banks and investment banks with which they were closely associated worked to destroy the financial system a decade later. But I would wager that the Commission has spent no time, so far, on a discussion of the relationship between deficit reduction and financial reform.

To be clear: unemployment can be cured without private-sector financing, if public deficits are large enough -- as was done during World War II. But if the objective is to reduce public deficits, for whatever reason, then a large contribution from private credit is essential.

One more time: without private credit, deficit reduction plans through fiscal austerity, now or in the future, will fail. They cannot succeed. If at the time the cuts take effect the economy is still relying on public expenditure to fund economic activity, then reducing expenditure (or increasing taxes) will simply reduce GDP and the deficits will not go away.

Further, if the finances of the private sector could be fixed, then an austerity program would be entirely unnecessary to reduce public debt. The entire national experience from 1946 to 1980, when public debt fell from 121 to about 33 percent of GDP and again from 1994 to 2000, proves this. In those years the debt-to-GDP ratio fell mainly because of credit-driven economic growth -- certainly not because of public-sector austerity programs. And this is why the deficits returned, in 1980-2 and in 2000, once the credit markets froze up and the private economy entered recession.

Thus until the private financial sector is fully reformed -- or supplemented by parallel financing institutions as was done in the New Deal -- high deficits and a high public-debt-to-GDP ratio are inevitable. In the limit, if there is no private financial recovery, debt-to-GDP will converge to some steady-state value, probably near 100 percent -- a normal number in some countries -- and at that point the public deficit will be the sole engine of new economic growth going forward. Only when the private sector steps up, will the debt-to-GDP ratio begin to decline.

For this reason, a Commission report focused on "entitlement reform" rather than "financial reform" would be entirely beside the point. Entitlement cuts, no matter how severe, cannot and will not achieve deficit reduction. They cannot "meaningfully improve the long-term fiscal outlook," as required by your charter. All they will accomplish is to impoverish vulnerable Americans, impairing the functioning of the private economy and the taxing capacity of the government.

6. Social Security and Medicare "Solvency" Is Not Part of the Commission's Mandate.

I note from Chairman Simpson's conversation with Alex Lawson that the Commission has taken up the questions of the alleged "insolvency" of the Social Security system and of Medicare. If true, this is far outside any mandate of the Commission. Your mandate is strictly limited to matters relating to the deficit, debt-to-GDP ratio, and fiscal stability of the U.S. Government as a whole. Social Security and Medicare are part of the government as a whole, so it is within your mandate to discuss those programs -- but only in that context.

To make recommendations about the matching of benefits to payroll taxes -- now or in the future -- would be totally inappropriate. Within your mandate, the levels of payroll taxes and of Social Security benefits are relevant only insofar as they influence the current and future fiscal position of the government as a whole. Their relationship to each other is not relevant. You are not a "Social Security Commission" and there is no provision in your Charter for a separate discussion of the alleged financial condition of either program taken on its own. Such discussions, if they are occurring, should be subjected to a point of order.

The usual "solvency" arguments directed at the Social Security system and at Medicare as separate entities are in any event complete nonsense. These programs are just programs, like any others, in the Federal Budget, and the Social Security and Medicare "systems" are thus fully solvent so long as the Federal Government is. Further, as explained below, under our monetary arrangements there is no "solvency" issue for the federal government as a whole. The federal government is "solvent" so long as U.S. banks are required to accept US. Government checks -- which is to say so long as there is a Federal authority in the Republic. This point has been demonstrated repeatedly in times of stress, notably during the Civil War and World War II.

7. As a Transfer Program, Social Security Is Also Irrelevant to Deficit Economics.

Political discussions of "long-term fiscal sustainability" -- including in the Charter for this Commission -- make an economic error when they loosely use the word "entitlements" and suggest that supposed economic dangers of federal deficits (for instance, rising real interest rates) can be reduced by "entitlement reform." As a matter of economics, this is not true.

"Government Spending" -- as any textbook will verify -- is a component of GDP only insofar as the spending is directly on purchases of goods and services. That alone is what economists mean by the phrase "government spending." GDP is the final consumption of produced goods and services, and government is one of the major consuming sectors; the others being private business (investment) and households (consumption).

Social Security is a transfer program. It is not a spending program. A dollar "spent" on Social Security does not directly increase GDP. It merely reallocates a dollar from one potential final consumer (a taxpayer) to another (a retiree, a disabled person, or a survivor). It also reallocates resources within both communities (taxpayers and beneficiaries). Specifically, benefits flow to the elderly and to survivors who do not have families that might otherwise support them, and costs are imposed on working people and other taxpayers who do not have dependents in their own families. Both types of transfer are fair and effective, greatly increasing security and reducing poverty -- which is why Social Security and Medicare are such successful programs.

Transfers of this kind are also indefinitely sustainable -- in fact there can intrinsically be no problem of sustainability with transfer programs. Apart from their effect on individual security, a true transfer program uses (by definition) no net economic resources. The only potential macroeconomic danger from "excessive" transfers is that the transfer function may be badly managed, leading to excessive total demand and to inflation. But there is no risk of this so long as the financial crisis remains uncured. Under present conditions Social Security and Medicare are bulwarks for stabilizing a total demand that would otherwise be highly deficient.

Similarly, cutting Social Security benefits, in particular, merely transfers real resources away from the elderly and toward taxpayers, and away from the poor toward those less poor. One can favor or oppose such a move on its own merits as social policy -- but one cannot argue that it would save real resources that are otherwise being "consumed" by the government sector.

The conclusion to be drawn is that Social Security should in any event be off the agenda of your Commission, as it is a transfer program and not a program of public spending in the economic sense. In particular it does not use capital resources and will not drive up interest rates. This is true whether the "Social Security System" is in internal balance or not.

8. Markets Are Not Calling for Deficit Reduction, Now or Later.

Let me turn next to a larger economic question. Do deficit projections matter? Are they important? Was the President well-advised to frame the mandate of the Commission as he did?

What, in short, are the economic consequences of a high public deficit and a rising debt-to-GDP ratio, and what (if any) benefits are to be expected from creating an expectation that deficits will come down and that the debt-to-GDP ratio will fall?

The idea that US economic policy should aim for a path of reduced deficits in the future is shared by liberals and conservatives, and it is, from a political standpoint, a very powerful idea. The Commission's charter takes for granted that this goal is desirable. It specifies that your objective is to achieve a balanced "primary budget" -- net of interest payments, by 2015.

Yet your charter does not say why this is an appropriate goal. It cites no study to which one might refer. It does not explain why 2015 is the right target date, as opposed to (say) 2025 or even 2050. It does not spell out the economic consequences -- if any -- of failing to meet the stated objective.

Does the requirement make economic sense? I shall tackle that question in two parts. The first accepts the view most people hold of the fiscal and financial world. The second reflects, from an operational standpoint, how that world actually works in practice.

Most informed laymen believe that the Federal government must borrow in order to spend. They believe that the interest rate on Treasury securities is set in a market for government bonds. The markets impose discipline on the government. Thus their idea is that "fiscal responsibility" will produce low long-term interest rates and tolerable borrowing conditions for the federal government, while "irresponsibility" will be punished by higher, and eventually intolerable, debt service costs.

Accepting this view for the moment, what does the present level of long-term interest rates tell us? As I write, thirty-year Treasury bonds are yielding just over four percent -- or just a little more than half their yield a decade back. On the argument just given, this must be an extraordinary success of virtuous policy. It seems that Wall Street has made a strong vote of confidence in the fiscal probity of our current policies. This vote is unqualified, backed by money, contingent on nothing. It therefore represents a categorical rejection, by Wall Street itself, of the CBO's doomsday scenarios and all other deficit-scare stories.

On this theory, it follows that the mandate to reduce the primary deficit to zero by 2015 is unnecessary. Such an action can hardly reduce interest rates -- neither short nor long-term -- which are already historically low.

But wait a minute, some may say. Yes interest rates are low at the moment. But bond markets are fickle, they can turn on a dime. And what then?

Yes, it is possible that interest rates could rise. But the problem with this argument is that it takes us away from the premise of rationality. If bond markets are fickle and arbitrary, who is to say what they will do in response to any particular policy? In the face of irrational markets, the sensible policy is to borrow heavily for so long as they are offering a good deal. One may say that all good things end, and perhaps they will. But if markets are irrational, then by construction you cannot prevent this by "good behavior."

The conclusion from this section is that one cannot logically argue that markets insist on deficit reduction. Either the markets are rationally unworried about deficits, or they are acting irrationally right now, in which case they can hardly "insist" on anything.

9. In Reality, the US Government Spends First and Borrows Later; Public Spending Creates a Demand for Treasuries in the Private Sector.

As noted, the above argument is based on the common belief that the government must borrow in order to spend, and thus that the government faces "funding risks" in private markets. Such risks exist, of course, for private individuals, for companies, for state and local governments, and for national governments such as Greece that have ceded monetary sovereignty to a central bank. But the situation of the United States government is quite different.

The U.S. government spends (and the Federal Reserve lends) in a very simple way. It does so by writing checks -- in fact simply by marking up numbers in a computer. Those numbers then appear in the bank accounts of the payees, who may be government employees, private contractors, or the recipients of federal transfer programs.

The effect of government check-writing is to create a deposit in the banking system. This is a "free reserve." Banks of course prefer to earn interest on their reserves. Thus they demand a US Treasury bond, which pays more interest without incurring any form of credit or default risk. (This is like moving a deposit from a checking to a savings account.) The Treasury can meet that demand, or not, at its option -- it can permit, or not permit, the stock of US Treasury bonds in circulation to increase.

So long as U.S. banks are required to accept U.S. government checks -- which is to say so long as the Republic exists -- then the government can and does spend without borrowing, if it chooses to do so. And if it chooses to issue Treasuries to meet the demand, it can do that as well. There is never a shortfall of demand for Treasury bonds; Treasury auctions do not fail.

In the real world, the government creates demand for bonds by spending above the level drained by taxation from the system. The extent to which those bonds are held locally, or abroad (another common source of worry), depends on the US current account deficit. This also has nothing to do with approval or disapproval by foreign bankers, central bankers, or their governments of American deficit policy. A foreign country cannot acquire a US Treasury bond unless someone outside the United States has acquired dollars to pay for them, which is generally done by running a trade surplus with the United States. And when foreigners do acquire those dollars, then like domestic banks they prefer to earn interest, which is why they buy Treasury bonds.

Insolvency, bankruptcy, or even higher real interest rates are not among the actual risks to this system. The actual risks in this system are (to a minor degree) inflation, and to a larger degree, depreciation of the dollar. However at the moment there is wide agreement that a lower dollar would be a good thing -- against the Chinese RMB and now also the euro. So it is difficult to believe that the goal of deficit reduction per se serves any coherent, or presently desirable, economic objective.

We can conclude that there is actually no economic justification for the target of reducing the primary deficit to zero by 2015 or any other date. The right economic objectives are to meet real problems, not those conjured from thin air by economists. Bringing about a rapid end to unemployment, caring properly for an aging population, cleaning up the Gulf of Mexico, coping with our energy insecurity and with climate change are all far more important objectives than reducing a projection of future budget deficits.

10. The Best Place in History (for This Commission) Would Be No Place At All.

Most people assume that "bipartisan commissions" are designed to fail: they are given thorny (or even impossible) issues and told to make recommendations which Congress is free to ignore or reject. In many cases -- yours is no exception -- the goal is to defer recognition of the difficulties for as long as possible.

You are plainly not equipped by disposition or resources to take on the true cause of deficits now and in the future: the financial crisis. Recommendations based on CBO's unrealistic budget and economic outlooks are destined to collapse in failure. Specifically, if cuts are proposed and enacted in Social Security and Medicare, they will hurt millions, weaken the economy, and the deficits will not decline. It's a lose-lose proposition, with no gainers except a few predatory funds, insurance companies, and such who would profit, for some time, from a chaotic private marketplace.

Thus the interesting twist in your situation is that the Republic would be better served by advancing no proposals at all.


Thank you again for the opportunity to present this statement.


http://www.ourfuture.org/report/2010062630/statement-commission-deficit-reduction

http://www.fiscalcommission.gov/meetings/public-forum/additional/James_Galbraith.pdf

(this is government meeting testimony and is in the public domain)
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35. Compare and Contrast:
Testimony of Will Marshall

PRESIDENT OF THE PROGRESSIVE POLICY INSTITUTE
BEFORE THE NATIONAL COMMISSION ON FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY AND REFORM
WEDNESDAY, JUNE 30, 2010

As Prepared for Delivery

Chairman Bowles, Chairman Simpson, and Members of the Commission, I appreciate the
opportunity to appear before you to discuss ways to put America on a fiscally sustainable course. Once unemployment rates start to fall, U.S. policy makers must be prepared to pivot sharply from fiscal stimulus to fiscal restraint. Otherwise, a large and growing federal debt will deplete our capital stock and thereby limit future economic growth. It will divert resources from productive investment to interest payments on the debt, half of which is already held by foreign lenders. And it will shake investor confidence, here and abroad, in the fundamental soundness of the U.S. economy, eventually driving interest rates up and the dollar down.

Despite these dire and entirely foreseeable consequences, too many federal policy makers remain in denial about the need for fiscal discipline. You have taken on what many consider a Mission Impossible: forging a bipartisan consensus on how to defuse the nation’s debt crisis. That’s put you in the crosshairs of extreme partisans of the left and right, who imagine this problem can be solved strictly at the other side’s expense. By refusing either to cut spending or raise taxes, the two have joined in a tacit conspiracy to bankrupt the country.

Common to both is the assumption that you can have fiscal responsibility, or you can have progressive government, but you can’t have both. We at the Progressive Policy Institute have always rejected this false choice. We believe that a progressive government can and must live within its means, and that if it instead chases the illusion of borrowed prosperity, it’s not really progressive. To paraphrase Franklin Roosevelt, Americans know instinctively that borrowing routinely to consume more than you produce is both bad economics and bad morals. I don’t think it’s an accident that, aspublic worries about deficits have been mounting, public trust in government has been plummeting.

So there’s a lot riding on your ability to forge consensus behind a bold and balanced plan to restore fiscal responsibility. Let me offer some thoughts on what that plan should include from the perspective of a “progressive fiscal hawk.”

We’ve dug a pretty deep hole, so it’s not realistic to talk about balanced budgets anytime soon. What’s needed instead is an ambitious but attainable fiscal target to shoot for. The National Research Council and the National Academy of Public Administration in their indispensible report, Choosing the Nation’s Fiscal Future, set a reasonable target: stabilizing the national debt at 60 percent of GDP within the next decade, and working to reduce it afterwards. It may also make sense to set targets for annual budget deficits, but only in tandem with a national debt target. We can tolerate fluctuations and spikes in short-term deficits; it’s the inexorable rise in our long-term debt that poses the gravest threat to America’s future growth and economic
sovereignty.

Stabilizing the national debt at that level would preserve what Austan Goolsbee, in a PPI report, called America’s “strategic fiscal reserve.” In other words, it would leave room for deficit spending should the United States find itself facing another emergency like the credit freeze and recession of 2008-09, without pushing our debt-to-GDP ratio toward the danger zone of 100 percent or more.

It’s worth quoting the Choosing report in full on this point:

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The committee judged that a debt of 60 percent of GDP reflects an appropriate balance and is an achievable target within a decade—and is therefore useful to guide policy choices that will ultimately be made by elected leaders. This is a different ratio than the committee would have likely proposed under different circumstances. Indeed, it will surely be seen by some as too high and by others as too low. But the committee believes it is the lowest ratio that is practical given the fiscal outlook. A higher debt burden would leave the nation less able to cope with unforeseeable but inevitable shocks—such as international crises or natural disasters—requiring a vigorous federal response. It would put the nation closer to a point from which no politically credible path to sustainability could be constructed. Moreover, stabilizing the debt at a higher ratio implies a higher deficit, a greater draw on the nation’s saving or more foreign borrowing, which will have a negative impact on future living standards. On the other side, a lower ratio would imply even more painful changes in tax and spending policies.



A FAMILIAR MENU OF OPTIONS

Getting agreement on a target is half the battle, since it determines the magnitude of the tax and spending changes that must be made. Most budget and policy analysts work from a familiar menu of options, and assume that any politically feasible package will have to be split roughly 50-50 between tax hikes and spending cuts.

We believe the menu should include these actions:

• Cap discretionary spending. Alice Rivlin estimates that a hard freeze on discretionary
spending would save over $1 trillion between 2012 and 2018.

• Trim future Social Security benefits. The big three—Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security—are driving the unsustainable growth of public spending. It’s true that closing Social Security’s funding gap is relatively easy compared to controlling the growth of health care costs. But that’s an argument for repairing Social Security first.

The best way baby boomers like me can contribute to fixing Social Security is to work longer. PPI also has endorsed progressive indexing of Social Security benefits, which entails a shift from wage indexing to price indexing of benefits for well-off retirees who have other sources of retirement income. Under progressive indexing, benefits of high earners (over $90,000 per year in average career earnings) would grow with inflation, while those of middle earners would grow at a rate somewhere between inflation and the rise of wages. The bottom 30 percent, who are least likely to have other income sources, would continue to have their benefits indexed by wage growth. According to Robert Pozen, this would reduce the present value of the 75-year deficit of Social Security by somewhere between $2.6 trillion to $3.2 trillion, depending on how it’s designed.

• Contain Medicare and Medicaid costs. This is hands-down the toughest fiscal challenge facing the nation. In addition to raising the age of eligibility, reducing Medicare’s growth rate will require applying income-relating of Part B premiums to a broader swath of beneficiaries. We also need a stronger Medicare Commission empowered to example all aspects of Medicare, including its dominant fee-for-service design – not just prices and payments. Ultimately, the federal government will probably have to cap health care spending, either on a per capital or global basis. Therefore, I’d encourage the Commission to revisit two ideas: adopting vouchers or “premium support” for Medicare, and turning Medicaid into a block grant.

• Cut tax expenditures. Back in the mid-1990s, PPI developed a long list of tax expenditures – backdoor subsidies to individuals and businesses – that had outlived their original rationale. It’s a testament to the immortality of federal programs that most of them are still on the books. The Joint Tax Committee lists tax expenditures costing more than $1.2 trillion in foregone revenue. We continue to believe a base-closing commission should be established to draw up a hit-list and present it to Congress for an up-or-down vote. This should be seen as part of a base-broadening exercise that would also allow for lowering tax rates, though of course tax reform also needs to raise additional revenues to reduce the government’s need to borrow.

Now let me offer for your consideration three specific recommendations that might be less familiar:

First: Bring mandatory spending on budget.
Second: Let Bush tax cuts expire or extend them temporarily.
Third: Put defense spending on the table.

AN ENTITLEMENT BUDGET

The first recommendation was developed by the Brookings-Heritage Fiscal Seminar, of which I’m a member. The Seminar is a nonpartisan group of budget and policy experts from various Washington think tanks that includes three former CBO Directors: Alice Rivlin, Rudy Penner and Bob Reischauer.

The idea very simply is to take entitlement spending off auto-pilot, and establish a fixed, overall budget for the Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security.

These entitlement programs grow automatically each year, with no deliberation by Congress, no pressure to reconcile spending and revenues, no attempts to adjust them for demographic changes or generational equity, and no attempts to make trade-offs among competing public priorities.

The best solution, of course, would be for this Commission to propose, and Congress to accept, major structural reforms in the big three entitlements that allow them to continue to provide health and retirement security without running up massive deficits. Even so, bringing them on budget would provide greater transparency and allow Congress to mark progress toward solvency.

The plan works like this: Congress and the president enact explicit, long-term budgets for Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security. With this one step, entitlements would be forced to compete for budget dollars with other vital national priorities.

Either the trustees or the Congressional Budget Office would review the programs at regular intervals, possibly every five years, to determine whether they stay within their budget. Failure to do so would trigger automatic adjustments in benefits, premiums, provider payments or tax revenues. Of course, Congress could override these adjustments – but it would have to take explicit action to jettison fiscal constraints. This is preferable to its current passivity in the face of automatic, formula-driven spending growth.

Finally, this proposal would end the ever-narrowing scope of Congressional decision-making, and fully restore lawmakers’ constitutional power of the purse.

THE BUSH TAX CUTS

The major Bush tax cuts passed in 2001 and 2003 are set to expire at the end of this fiscal year. Last week House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer made headlines by wondering aloud about the wisdom of permanently extending any of the Bush tax cuts absent a serious plan for long-term deficit reduction. It’s a good question.

Extending all the Bush cuts, as some Republicans insist, would cost at least $3 trillion over the next decade. All of that would be added to the national debt since GOP leaders have yet to embrace an offsetting list of spending cuts.

During the 2008 campaign, then-Senator Obama promised to extend the Bush cuts for the “middle class,” defined as families earning less than $250,000 and individuals earning less than $200,000. According to the Joint Committee on Taxation, that would add $1.4 trillion to the nation’s debt over the next decade.

Of course, the nation’s fiscal outlook has deteriorated dramatically since the campaign. The cost of averting a financial and economic collapse last year could push this year’s deficit to $1.7 trillion. The national debt has swollen from 40 percent in 2008 to 60 percent now and is on course to reach 90 percent of GDP by 2020.

Cutting taxes in wartime never made sense to me. The truth is, America really can’t afford any of the Bush tax cuts right now. I know: it’s an election year and no one wants to be accused of “raising taxes on the middle class.” But if Congress ends the fiscal year with a huge, unpaid-for extension of tax cuts, right before this Commission is supposed to deliver the President a credible plan for debt reduction, it will send a confusing signal to investors anxious about our deteriorating fiscal picture, as well as other nations taking painful steps to get their fiscal houses in order.

A one-year extension, by contrast, would send a bracing signal of seriousness. And it would give this Commission a lot more room to devise a balanced package of spending and tax changes aimed at whittling down our debts.

A CONTRIBUTION FROM DEFENSE

Third, no program should be exempted from the new constraints of fiscal discipline, including defense.

PPI has always stood unequivocally for a strong defense. We have opposed routinely
irresponsible calls by some in Congress for deep and arbitrary cuts in military spending. At the same time, we’ve criticized a wasteful and inefficient procurement system, the Pentagon’s habitual reluctance to clarify roles and missions and make hard choices among competing priorities, and Congressional moves to buy more weapons than the military says it needs.

We’ve also argued that America’s qualitatively superior, high-tech military and global reach grow out of a vibrant domestic economy – a theme that also runs through the administration’s new national security strategy. Keeping our economy strong is thus a prime imperative for U.S. defense policy.

In the 1990s – the last time America got serious about fiscal responsibility – declining military spending after the Cold War contributed mightily to bringing the federal budget back into balance, and indeed, into surplus. Military spending was 5.5 percent of GDP when Bill Clinton was elected and fell to 3.6 percent by the time he left office.

With America embroiled in two wars and a global counterterrorism campaign, we’re obviously not going to reap another such peace dividend soon. Last year, military spending went back up to 5.5 percent of GDP and may exceed 6 percent this year.

Nonetheless, with U.S. troops scheduled to quit Iraq by the end of 2011, and possibly beginning to draw down in Afghanistan before that, it’s not unreasonable to assume that future military budgets can be constrained in the interests of securing fiscal stability.

By one estimate, a “hard freeze” on military spending, meaning no inflation adjustment, would save over a $1 trillion between 2012 and 2018. The Pentagon could still shift resources into urgent areas of need, but it would have to make up the difference by cutting other programs.

For purely illustrative purposes, here are several CBO options for cutting military spending:

• Reverse the “Grow the Army” initiative once U.S. troops leave Iraq, and let the Army shrink from 547,000 to 482,200. Obviously, changes on the ground in Iraq or Afghanistan would have to be taken into account. CBO says this change would save $90 billion over 10 years.

• Reduce F-35 Joint Strike Fighter buy for USAF and USN with possible supplemental UAV purchases to boost warfighting capability. This could save anywhere from $47 to $67 billion over 20 years.

• Raise military health care premiums and deductibles, for a savings of $6-8 billion annually.

Finally, PPI believes it is time to end the practice of supplemental budgeting of war and other defense spending. The supplemental budgets have become larded with provisions unrelated to war needs, including over $20 billion in “no compete” procurement contracts. By including all funding in the baseline budget, Congress would force trade-offs that give priority to wartime requirements.

Thank you.

http://www.fiscalcommission.gov/meetings/public-forum/2/Will_Marshall_6_30_2010.pdf

(this is government meeting testimony at the fiscal gov website)

(italics and bold emphasis mine)

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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 01:20 AM
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36. And 300 economists besides Galbraith & Baker worried
Edited on Tue Sep-21-10 01:28 AM by chill_wind
about the goals and priorities.

ECONOMISTS WARN OUR POLITICAL LEADERS: DON’T KILL GROWTH AND JOBS IN THE NAME OF DEFICIT REDUCTION.

Target what drives deficits. Don’t fix what isn’t broken.

Austerity advocates confuse two different issues—short term deficits generated by the recession and long term projections of deficits and debt.

Deficits rose last decade largely due to the Bush tax cuts and the unfunded wars and prescription drug program, but they exploded as a result of the economic crisis. Once prosperity is restored, deficits will be reduced substantially. Over the long term, projections of rising deficits and debt are mainly due to one fundamental factor: rising health care costs.

Contrary to the claims of many deficit hawks, America does not have an entitlement crisis. America has a broken health care system. Efforts to reduce public sector costs without fixing the health care system, such as caps on Medicare and Medicaid spending or replacing them with vouchers, will undermine the effectiveness of these programs, but won’t fix the broken health care system. The health care reform bill passed earlier this year may be a first step towards repairing the health care system, but much more will need to be done.

Social Security has nothing to do with our current deficit. It is supported by its own dedicated payroll taxes (which were increased to build up a trust fund to cover the baby boomers’ retirement). Social Security has actually reduced the unified budget deficit for the most of the last three decades and will continue to do so for most of the next decade. Making sure Social Security is solvent for the next century should be dealt with separately from any process set up to address short or long-term deficits, and can be accomplished with minor adjustments.

Restore fiscal responsibility, while investing in the future.

The president’s National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform has set a goal of reducing the Federal deficit to 3 percent of GDP by 2015. It is not clear that this arbitrary target can be met without damaging our recovery. In any case, the goals of economic policy must be far broader.

The most important question is this: What will drive economic growth, job creation and prosperity in the years to come? Conservatives argue that we should simply reduce deficits and wait for the next economic boom. But the last boom was built on a bubble, inflated by unsustainable household debt and financial speculation. If we focus merely on cutting spending and raising taxes, the economy could shrink again – or stay stuck in a permanently low level of growth and high levels of unemployment.

President Barack Obama has called on us to build a new foundation for the economy. This requires making investments vital to our future – in education and training, in research and development, in a modern infrastructure for the 21st century. It requires ending our addiction to oil, and capturing a lead role in the green industrial revolution, creating the next generation of green jobs.

Study after study demonstrates that America has a huge “public investment deficit” in areas vital to our economy. Some estimates suggest a shortfall in public investment of as much as $500 billion a year. As long as we have unacceptably high unemployment, outlays for additional investment can be deficit-financed. But once we achieve a robust recovery, our country should continue to pay for productive public investment, while acting to bring down public deficits. This will require new revenues.

We must have the confidence to forge our future. At the end of World War II, the US was burdened with debt that totaled over 120% of GDP. But we made the investments vital to a new economy – the GI Bill, housing subsidies, the interstate highway system, the conversion of military plants, and the Marshall plan. We ran annual deficits over most of the next three decades and the debt grew in absolute size, but the economy and the broad middle class grew faster. By 1980, the debt had been reduced to barely 30% of GDP. The better way to reduce the deficit as a percent of GDP is to increase GDP.

Even with a growing economy, increased investment and deficit reduction will require new sources of revenue, new priorities and a crackdown on wasteful subsidies.

Below are a range of measures which could be used to reduce the deficit and finance needed investments. Not all signers endorse every one of these options:

Any effort to cut spending should address the military budget, which consumes over half of discretionary spending. Much of our huge military spending is devoted to weapons designed to counter a Soviet Union that is no more. Defense experts estimate we could achieve significant Pentagon savings – in the range of $100 billion per year – while still sustaining the most powerful military in the world. We can use funds freed up to invest in new manufacturing industries that make our nation more secure.

Second, we should cut back the massive amounts wasted on outmoded subsidies – billions to the oil industry, to wasteful farm subsidies, and tax loopholes benefitting a few, with little productive return.

On the revenue side, in an era of Gilded Age inequality, progressive tax reform is long overdue. Revenue for reducing deficits and increasing investment can be raised by making taxes more progressive and by taxing activities we want to discourage. Some examples:


• A small tax on financial transactions (e.g. 0.025 percent on credit default swaps) would reduce high volume speculation and would produce revenues of at least $177 billion per year..

• The Wyden-Gregg corporate loophole-closing proposals produce $1.078 trillion over ten years.

• Taxing hedge fund mangers’ “carried interest” income as regular income gains $3 billion per year.

• End special tax treatment of capital gains income. Revenue: $480 billion over ten years.

• A 5.4 percent surcharge on high incomes (passed by the House) produces $500 billion over ten years.

• A carbon tax would help reverse climate change. Revenue: $500 billion over ten years.

• End Bush tax cuts for people making more than 250k. Revenue: $678 billion over ten years.

• One version of a progressive estate tax on large fortunes would generate $50 billion per year.


Any value-added tax that amounts to a regressive sales tax on the working middle class should not be part of this package. There may be a future case for a VAT, perhaps to fund progressive social programs or replace even more regressive taxes, but not for deficit reduction.

Take the high road to fiscal balance.

There are two alternative paths to long-term fiscal balance.

The less desirable path is austerity economics: government sharply cuts spending long before full employment is reached; production stagnates; revenues decline. We might reach budget balance but at a lower level of economic output, with increased taxes on working Americans and reduced public services.

The alternative, high-road path would increase public spending financed by deficits for a year or two until unemployment is definitely on a downward trend and GDP is rising rapidly. We then collect more revenues from a stronger economy. By identifying investments vital to our future, and paying for them with targeted spending cuts and progressive tax reforms, our country provides the basis for new private-sector investments that help fuel growth, generating greater revenues while reducing the deficit.

The benefit of this second path is that government moves towards a reduction in annual deficits and a lowering of the debt-to-GDP ratio, at a higher level of economic output, while building a new basis for long-term prosperity.


more:

Three hundred economists released a letter to President Obama today with one message: focus on jobs, not on the deficit.
Thursday, 09/16/2010

http://ourfuture.org/files/documents/don%27t-kill-growth-and-jobs.pdf


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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 03:41 AM
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41. How about dishonestly?
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 03:54 AM
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46. Well, yeah, they can defend it THAT way...
as we've seen.
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quaker bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 06:24 AM
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53. Has there been a report issued?
or is this still just rampant speculation about what it might contain?
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 04:58 PM
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55. I suppose you could accuse the CPC Dems too of engaging
in "rampant speculation" - of the preemptive kind. However you prefer to think of it, I'm glad they're doing it.


http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/09/house-democrats-to-obama-no-cuts-to-social-security.php
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