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20score Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 07:03 AM
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I Don’t Care How Energized the Teabaggers Are, They Need to Be Right about Something
Edited on Sun Sep-19-10 07:33 AM by 20score
It does matter that teabaggers are energized and it certainly matters that our media gives them so much undo attention. And it matters even more that the media pretends they have something important to say. But it only matters as far as their affect on the nation and politics goes, it should not translate into actual legitimacy. A compulsive gambler may be correct in pointing out to a family member they are trying to borrow money from that they are have no cash, but it doesn’t mean the cause of the dearth of dollars is that the heating bill has gone up. The same goes for the teabaggers and their screeching about the economy.

I hear from good people who are trying to be reasonable that, “At least the Tea Party is finally involved, even if they are misguided.” But I politely disagree. Teabaggers claim very often that they “finally woke up.” After sleeping through the biggest attack in our country’s history, two wars - one of which was an aggressive, illegal war that they supported – a trashing of our Constitution that has suddenly become important to them after the fact, and a recession that borders on being a depression. Now they wake up and times are bad - and it’s someone else’s fault. There are only two possibilities for ceasing their slumber. Either they are lying to themselves and everyone else that they, ‘just woke up’ because Beck told them to wake up, or they don’t like a Democrat - especially a black one - in the White House. Actually, that’s really still only one reason. But, to give them the benefit of the doubt, there may be another reason I can’t think of, it just isn’t the one they give.

Well, maybe it is a problem that is tied to being on the left, or maybe it is because of the lack of mercury in the water supply in some places, but many of us have a long term memory that extends further back than one or two months. Obama took office in January of 2009. By February or March of 2009, Beck and his followers were blaming Obama for the recession of 2008. And while I may not be a fan of the health care bill or the financial bill – because those bills are too far right, not because they are socialist, fascist, take-overs - I am a big fan of reality. Lest we forget, the teabaggers – who were known as Bushies from 2001 until 2009 – believed in August of 2002 that Osama bin Laden attacked us on September 11, 2001. By October of 2002 they were convinced that Saddam Hussein had attacked us. No matter how much energy and involvement these people have now, they are still the bottom ten percent of the moron brigade, of the U.S. of A.

And they keep uppin’ the dumb. Every time teabaggers put someone up front that stretches the limits of believability and people think, “Okay, now they’ve reached the bottom,” they find someone even crazier and more moronic than the last. It’s as if they take that observation as a challenge. “Well, that’s as dumb as they’ll ever go!” “Oh no it’s not!” they say in retaliation. People thought Bush was the bottom of the barrel. “Nope, they said, meet Palin.” Well, you’re right, she is dumber and more fanatical too. That must be the bottom. “Nope, meet Sharron Angle!” they said. "Wow, where the hell did you find her? Please tell us this is it, you aren’t going to go digging any deeper." “Hell no,” they said. “Now we’re going to dig into the religious fanatic mine - and here she is, Christine O’Donnell.”

These people have always been with us. Crazy, not too bright and mostly bigoted. It is just that in the past, they were known as crazies and no one pretended that these people should be running things. But now they get coverage and unfortunately, legitimacy that they don’t deserve. Their solution to an out of control deficit and debt - more tax cuts. Their solution to an out of control Wall Street – less regulation. A person who believes in science or even proposes to negotiate with the other side is hounded out of the Republican Party and sneered at by the know-nothings.

They’ve already been given far more respect than they deserve. It’s time that people showed them the same respect they have given the rest of us. Which is to say, none.
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Wounded Bear Donating Member (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 07:14 AM
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1. It is frustrating....
when those people are greeted by pundits with thoughtful looks of interest, instead of the derisive laughter they tend to deserve.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 07:16 AM
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2. Wall street / corporations have too much power
we the people are being fucked..
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 08:08 AM
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6. That is what they are mad about
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 09:49 AM
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 10:32 AM
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14. vs: a Wall St. apologist ????
now that will surely summon the popular vote
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Cirque du So-What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 10:37 AM
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16. Teabaggers believe we need LESS regulation of Wall Street
Yet you convolute logic in order to find some way to defend their mindless anger. Your HURR train is now boarding!

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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 10:46 AM
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17. I think their pissed - however misquided it may be
too bad FUX news and the Radical NeoCon RATpubliCONs are the only ones who seem willing to try and tap into that anger.

A lot of folks losing their jobs, savings and homes, and the "Head in the Sand" politics of the Left will surely be tested come November.

But I'm sure your sticking to name-calling and intellectual innuendo will work out just fine for the Democrats
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 10:54 AM
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Poboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 11:12 AM
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21. "Radical NeoCon RATpubliCONs are the only ones who seem willing to try and tap into that anger."
Indeed. If the Dems went populist and strong with the people, they'd win in a landslide.
They won't though. One wonders why.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 12:48 PM
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23. No, see, they're mad because one of those horrible Negroes
was elected to be President.

Don't try and rationalize their anger as anything other than horrible racism because it doesn't work.
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SemperEadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 05:43 AM
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38. ding ding ding we have a winner, folks
they couldn't get off their asses during the bush admin during the 8 years he was in office to come to dc to protest, with their sidearm strapped to their legs and their misspelled signs, about illegal wiretapping, listening in to their phone calls, having their rights taken away. No, that was the progressives, who were then put in "free speech zones" away from where bush or is minions were speaking.

the tea-boogers are frauds and liars. The only thing they're angry about is that a black man with a funny name was legally and overwhelmingly elected to be THEIR president and there is nothing legal they can do about it. They thought a majority of their white brethren felt exactly the same racist way they did; they found out otherwise and got handed their asses in 11/08.

Any means left to them is seditious, illegal and/or borders on treason. They are enemies to this country's best interests and should be estimated as such.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 01:11 PM
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24. No it's not
I haven't heard a single teabagger complain about that. You are either one of them, or believe what Big Media is telling you. Either way you're probably in the wrong place.
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punkin87 Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 12:12 AM
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37. What changed between 2008 and 2009?
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 08:26 AM
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40. That is what they are mad about
"they"? You mean the teabaggers?

If they are mad about corporations screwing them, then why have they joined with some of big corps supporters like Dick Army?

Because they are stupid and being used. How can all these white people be so freaked they don't even know they are being duped? Because they not only watch Fox propaganda and nothing else, but also because they lost big time in the last election.... to a black man. They simply cannot STAND it!
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lillypaddle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 07:19 AM
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3. Good OP
K&R
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GoCubsGo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 07:33 AM
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4. I can't wait to see who out-crazies O'Donnell...
Dick Nixon looks like a flaming liberal compared to the current crop of nutjobs. And, Dumbya looks like a genius in comparison. Maybe they'll try to run that kook who thinks Rachel Maddow is a "lesbian vampire." I'd be laughing my head off if I didn't think that there were enough ignoramuses in this country willing to vote for these whackos.
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Waltons_Mtn Donating Member (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 08:32 AM
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8. Well they could try running a co-worker of mine.
He told me he thinks that the Mexican drug cartels are a clear example of just how well unregulated capitalism works. (and was sincere about it) He says see how much money they are making, they police themselves, and the price of the drugs is completely driven by "the market". I said sure, I can't wait to see Exxon employees shooting it out with the Shell station accross the street.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 09:41 AM
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12. This is how unreasonable
Edited on Sun Sep-19-10 09:41 AM by Enthusiast
they have become.
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nightgaunt Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 01:53 PM
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44. The Drug War is a regulation---of us
That is what you get when the people want one thing and the gov't and their corporate cronies want something else. We lose, they win. They are still winning & the Tea Baggers pay the price too in the further loss of their precious Constitution they normally don't think about or have any idea what it is.

The Tea Bagger movement started from Libertarian Ron Paul and look at what it has mutated into. Even he is verboten from their ranks.

Ahh, yes kill or be killed. All we need to do is make everything illegal and then this paradise will descend on us like a pack of blood thirsty locusts. Only the most ruthless will survive. Just as they intended. What well educated idiots. I see that your co-worker has been schooled by the likes of Beck, Limbaugh, Rand and Hannity.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 07:43 AM
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5. Very well said.
kick and rec
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Zing Zing Zingbah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 08:39 PM
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35. Agreed. Nice job. nt
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 08:16 AM
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7. They're Limbaugh's ditto heads
We just thought they were all like this guy but it turns out they're boomers

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SemperEadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 05:46 AM
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39. fat, doughy, soft in the middle, afraid of his own shadow
wrapped up in an american flag, farting through the stars and stripes.
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Better Today Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 08:52 AM
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9. For someone who claims an extended, unfettered view of history, you're all wet
as indicated by this comment, which because of it's naive falseness, sort of puts a huge hole in your OP.

"...they were known as crazies and no one pretended that these people should be running things."

There have been similar groups through out history that were not considered crazies, even though they were completely out of touch with anything we'd call reality. That's why so much of the liberal gains over the centuries have taken so long to work up and work out, and always such a short time to unravel when folks like these get boisterous. I mean seriously, do you thing these crazies you're seeing right now aren't the same ones that voted Reagan into office twice, demanding that he lower taxes and kill regulations?

Additionally, if Obama had done more for the middle and less for the rich and corporations and insurers and banks, then perhaps the crazies wouldn't be hurting more now than when he took office and they wouldn't be so determined to blame Obama for everything. It may not be Obama's fault the economy crashed, but it is undeniable that for very many, they or their loved ones have fallen farther down during Obama's years than in the years previous, or simply the fact that having fallen down nearly two years ago, they expected some noticeable improvement by now, instead of two years of dragged out misery, unemployment, foreclosure, and the like.
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20score Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 01:43 PM
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25. I can't tell if you're being facetious.
Edited on Sun Sep-19-10 02:24 PM by 20score
Because you're attacking things I never said, inferring things I never implied and ignoring statements I did make.

Other than that, your reply was right on.

The point is that even though these people existed and voted, they didn't put themselves up for the senate and the presidency. There has been a progression downward. As bad as Reagan was, he wasn't as overtly crazy and moronic as Sharron Angle. Do you dispute that? As for what Obama has done, there is only one small phrase in the that post that addresses current policy, as it has nothing to do with the post.

I guess I'm saying you've broke into talking points without regard for the subject at hand.

But, carry on.
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Better Today Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 03:35 PM
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29. Again, your words, but are you really already forgetting..."these people existed and voted, they ...
Edited on Sun Sep-19-10 03:36 PM by Better Today
didn't put themselves up for the senate and the presidency."

Perhaps our basis in definition is the issue here. I find folks like Nixon, Reagan, and GWBush to perfectly fit the idea of crazies getting their candidates into office. There are others I have some suspicions about, but having not lived in those times, and media being what it has often been, I can't say for sure, and won't. But I've lived through the one's I mentioned and it sure seemed to me like the crazies were taken seriously, the crazies voted, and the crazies got elected.
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olegramps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 06:48 AM
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43. Actually Reagan was more dangerous.
Being President was the greatest gig that he ever played. He was a masterful con-artist. The absolutely most useful tool of corporate power that the nation has ever produced. He sold his soul to the company store and betrayed every American worker.
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suede1 Donating Member (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 03:20 PM
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28. You sound like a troll. Is that intentional?
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Better Today Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 03:37 PM
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30. No, I think it's just your inability to understand the post.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 09:04 AM
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10. Right or wrong doesn't effect elections -one person one vote informed or stupid
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 09:39 AM
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11. K&R!
"They Need to Be Right about Something"

Well, they aren't right about anything.

Great post! Wonderful post! Extra wonderful beautiful post!
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 10:35 AM
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15. Amen
I think they are dangerously stupid. And I refuse to applaud any of their victories. The more they win, the more the GOP supports them and offers resources. And the PTB in the GOP are NOT dumb.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 10:59 AM
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19. No, we DON'T want them to be right about something!
The fact that they scream crazywrong, will keep them out of office. If the have just ONE real point, the M$M will live and feed on it and help them get elected!
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20score Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 02:26 PM
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26. Point taken. But if they start being right about issues and problems, then they stop being
Edited on Sun Sep-19-10 02:27 PM by 20score
teabaggers.

By definition. :)
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 02:37 PM
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27. I agree, they would go back to being just slightly less insane GOPers.
Good point. :)
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Poboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 11:06 AM
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20. Bullies only understand one thing.
Edited on Sun Sep-19-10 11:08 AM by Poboy
These people's ignorance is only exceeded by their obnoxious arrogance.
As I say, bullies only understand one thing, and democratic leadership is afraid to confront them with force.
No, we have to consider and compromise with insanity.
WEAK.
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 12:10 PM
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22. # 17 n/t
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punkin87 Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 05:36 PM
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31. Way to go! Great post! Main page this for the tea baggers!
Edited on Sun Sep-19-10 05:48 PM by punkin87
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suede1 Donating Member (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 06:21 PM
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33. Even though I've said "at least they're involved" This is the type of post that should be rec'd!
Edited on Sun Sep-19-10 06:22 PM by suede1
I agree with you Punkin
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20score Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 10:08 PM
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36. Thank you too!
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20score Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 07:41 PM
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34. Thanks!
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 05:39 PM
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32. the media certainly doesn't demand that they be right on anything. their stupid is never challenged
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 06:12 PM
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41. Kick n/t
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larwdem Donating Member (203 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 09:53 PM
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42. crazy nut jobs need to be called out
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