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mntleo2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-10 09:37 AM
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Taxation and Hatred for the Poor
Edited on Tue Sep-14-10 09:41 AM by mntleo2

Hatred For The Poor

Some people say in defense of ignoring and hating the poor that, "No one ever got a job from a poor person" but they are wrong, wrong, wrong. Poor people employ lots of people all the time. There is a heueueuege poverty industry bringing in billions where rich people use their "contributions" for tax breaks in large "non-profits" that take additional government funds and then exploit the poor. While their upper management and social workers make a livable wage generating a few jobs solely for the upper income and rich, they employ people on the lower levels of their organizations whose wages are far below poverty levels. These workers are working on the floors of their “fund raising” stores, bringing in even more millions to create rich tax havens and paying their upper management extremely generous salaries.

Consider some "employment for the rich" here and check out the immense list of 169 non-profits raking in the dough for ONE CITY in ONE STATE with ONE PROGRAM for the state of Wisconsin that a brave organization of women called Welfare Warriors have documented in their city:
http://www.welfarewarriors.org/mwv_archive/sp09/sp09_milw.htm

Now multiply this 169 + by 49 other states ~ and who knows how many other hundreds of cities, since no one else responsible for this flow of billions is watching the store? Then consider the cost where these "non-profits" pay little into the “services” they supposedly provide, while contracting with the government asking for even more millions in grants for these shoddy services ~ but the millionaire and billionaire tax breaks still keep rolling in:
http://www.welfarewarriors.org/MWV_Archive%5Cs01%5Cs01--bwe--bus_tour.htm

After appropriating millions from state and federal governments in grants, some of these "employers for the poor" have been convicted of fraud. But in spite of being legally convicted, these corrupt non-profits are still contracted by the government after being proven their blatant, greedy taking from the poor is being used to reward the entitled instead of the people who need it. These entities spend on themselves literally 20-50 times and more for these contracted "services" to the poor than the actual services they give to their clients. In WI as in other states, some of these “non-profits” spend an average of $46-64,000 per client. When in fact the direct service costs far less with say, a $50.00 rent voucher, partially subsidized government funded childcare, or keeping the heat and lights on for a low income working family with government funds. A government agency would cost far less than what they spend now on these contracts ~ and would at the very least have union support for livable wages with their workers AND create decent employment for lower paid employees.


Now the Poverty Industrial Complex has generated a bigger industry, coming out of Title IV Social Security funding that took Welfare out of Social Security and then added the American Safe Family’s Act (AFSA) enacted at the same time. In this article we do not even discuss the layers and layers of “consultants” on the government teat whose “advice” depends on their continued employment doing little for the families they “advise” social workers and the courts about ~ but richly lines their own pockets in consulting fees. To add to these burdens for the family, often these “consultations” are court ordered and demanding payments from low income parents who have little.

These billions are now being spent to empty low income family homes of their children, where false allegations of abuse abound, and children are permanently traumatized then “sold” to the highest bidders in adoptions. We are calling this industry “The Adoption and Foster Care Industrial Complex” where billions in Social Security funding is now being spent on the taking of these children and selling of them to adoptive families. Scroll down to page 13 to the graph from the following study done by the Annie E. Casey Foundation for costs spent on taking children versus the amount spent on “Family Preservation” and you will see that over 1000% more is spent on the taking of children than for keeping them home:
http://www.childtrends.org/Files//Child_Trends-2009_02_17_FR_CWFinancePaper.pdf

I do not use the term “sell” lightly. By “selling” children I mean that state agencies get huge rewards from Title IV Social Security funding each time they take a child, around $6-8000.00 per month per child, and between $50-100,000.00 per adoption, depending on the state. Tell me why any of them would want to return a child home with financial incentives like that, giving thousands for taking a child and nothing for returning them home?

Because of the rampant hatred for the poor, many believe that “in the best interest of the child” (never really legally defined) means a child is provided with more stuff from upper income adoptive parents. But adopted kids have an abysmal and troubled success rate, where many drop out of school, alienation from their adoptive families, and homeless, often beginning in their teens. They go to prison from the roots of the trauma and alienation from birth families. Kids who have been in foster care are 7 X more likely to face this future than if left in their birth homes and adoptive care is not much better.

In fact, adoptive parents could be Mr. and Mrs. Joseph and Mary of Nazareth , but the enduring lifelong trauma a non-abused child undergoes from the loss of their birth family could never be replaced. One might think, “Well the child is better off in a higher income home, with parents who can provide for them …” But this is simply not true.

Indeed the statistics for children who have lived in foster care show that after being removed from their homes, they are 3-5 X more likely to be abused than if they had been left in their homes, after being traumatized from the loss of their family. Statistics for children, who are kept in the home and the family given services, show that, even with drug addicted birth parents, children do by far better.
http://nccpr.info/the-evidence-is-in-foster-care-vs-keeping-families-together-the-definitive-studies/

The harsh criticism we all feel entitled to make for a mother is no more clear than in this NY Times blog by a woman who defends low income moms:
http://parenting.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/08/26/parenting-under-scrutiny/. But there is little concern with the 3 X more likely neglectful forcefully imposed alternative when a child is taken by the State, nope there is only praise for foster care and adoption, which is much more likely to further abuse and/or neglect these kids.

Our government is well aware all these things are true. Officials know how much more expensive this hatred costs, and use this hatred with whatever means they can in the media, the courts, and in their agencies to lead Americans into believing they are “protecting” children when in fact the only things they “protect” are themselves. The corruption begins because this Social Security funding is only meted out for the taking of children and nothing is given for Family Preservation. Indeed the more children taken, the more money pours into State DSHS coffers where other funding has dried up.

While poverty is not per se a legal reason in most states to take children, the conditions of poverty are the direct definitions for CPS accusations of maltreatment and neglect as a reason to take children from their mothers. The consequences of homelessness are part of these abuse definitions, as is the illness of a parent, inadequate medical attention, and lack of affordable childcare among many others.

In the 9th Circuit Court case Humphreys vs County of Los Angeles, the state of California admitted that over 80% of their abuse allegations were false. If CPS false allegations happen this much in CA, rest assured it is happening in your state. Yet still every day hundreds of little kids are taken from their parents and given away for no other reason except to make a buck off the backs of them.

No one is contending that protecting children is not a necessity in cases of some sick adults ~ but when 80% of alleged “abuse” is admitted to be false, what are they doing to these children and why are they destroying their families? Oh yeah, that’s right … it is because their hatred for the poor entitles them to use these little kids as political footballs in order to make a damn buck for themselves.

So instead of assisting the parent where there is no funding, hatred for the poor precipitates the taking of children where the money keeps DSHS employees, the courts and even “defense lawyers” in well paying jobs with benefits and bonuses. After the taking of a child happens, any newborn baby siblings are literally swept out a mother’s arms in the hospital with “potential abuse” being the reason. These babies are warehoused in foster care and sold. DSHS even has a “shopping network” where potential adopters can “shop” for their newest family additions and then place orders!

Hatred of the poor is not only affecting children. The billions being appropriated from Social Security for these foster care and adoption activities is a big excuse to cut adult services due to “a lack of funds”. Now they are cutting off the disabled from SSI and SSD and any hope of survival benefits, which is already inadequate and would not pay the rent ~ much less other needs such as energy costs and other necessities. The cuts are happening by the thousands at this very moment. Worse, they want to “privatize” Social Security by throwing it to the Wall Street snarling dogs who would literally be selling their grandmothers for a buck. God forbid that the wages workers paid into this account would actually be for We The People instead of We The Corporations!

Hatred of the poor created a whole new industry while at the same time making more social problems for our country. If you have been in meetings with DSHS Suits as I have and seen this hatred of the poor literally permeate the room with disgust for the very people who employs them, you would know that perpetuating this hatred and drawing out the myth that one is poor merely because they “choose” poverty is being used every day in order to give the “haves” more haves, it has little to do with eradicating poverty or helping anyone but the elite.

What are the solutions for this mess? Here are a few suggestions, and more can be added with comments, indeed any ideas are welcome, we could use this information to take to our legislators both local and national:

First of all we need to see poverty for what it is: An institutionalized, manufactured societal condition that is based on racism, sexism, ageism, and classism pretending only the rich and elite “work hard” and thus deserve any breaks while the poor, no matter how hard they work or whatever they contribute, add nothing to society and deserve no breaks. Yet it is a fact that the poor contribute +300% more of their incomes for revenue in regressive taxes alone than the rich. http://www.itepnet.org/state_reports/whopays.php The poor make far more sacrifices to pay those taxes and use less of our infrastructure than corporate and rich deadbeats who pay far less if any taxes at all. So tell us again, WHO is deserves the support???.

Start with DSHS upper management who would never admit it, but who actually detest their clients and pass this attitude down the line to their employees giving these workers financial benefits as incentives to deny services for puny reasons that would never stand up in court (while of course keeping their $100,000 per year management jobs). I have seen this displaced hatred with my own eyes. There is indeed a “war on the poor” and there always has been. It is time to stop it and begin with the very people who are supposed to be a support for the poor, not make matters worse.

Forget almost all contracted services. Whether private or non-profit, the truth is that these entities cost much more and merely become echo chambers to “back up” illegal and immoral DSHS decisions. They then hide behind “confidential” services as private businesses where We The People are unable to scrutinize them. Lies, prejudice, and misrepresentation used to cover up wrongdoings have no consequences. They not only are a high cost for government grants but often charge exorbitant private fees to their court ordered clients whenever these contracted entities enter into anyone’s life.

We need to use this available funding for education and for job creation for the people who need it. Spend Title IV Social Security funds on education for low income workers with support for families while they pursue their degrees.

Invest in affordable housing for all, disabled, families, and elders.

Make medical assistance so everyone can access it.

Instead of using the billions of Social Security money now being spent on taking children for social workers, judges, millions on courts and all their consultants, CASA workers, and foster care, use it instead to support low income families and the disabled with the things their much lauded poverty level McJobs can never provide ~ such as affordable housing, medical care, child care, schooling and financial support needed.

We need to face the fact that the War On Drugs is an abject failure and that drugs need to be legalized. Law Enforcement Against Prohibition ( http://www.leap.org ) will tell you some very real reasons why this is important, most significantly the murder rate that more than any other reason, involves drugs. Poverty does *not* generate more drug use than in upper incomes, who use as much as the poor, perhaps even more.

However the enforcement for illegal substances is far more prejudiced within the low income community than in upper income communities. Indeed, since illegal drugs are a commodity the poor can use for desperately needed income, the upper income often come to poor neighborhoods in order to secure their own habits where selling drugs, even without personal usage, is a higher crime. Upper income people are less likely to see prison time or face the devastating consequences the poor face with the same crime.

As it immediately stopped the violence in the 1930s with the legalization of alcohol, with the legalization of drugs, no longer will we pay the high costs of the huge drug populations in prisons, the needless murders, abject poverty from the legal consequences of this war, or the horrible border wars we see today. Taxing and controlling drugs would ADD revenue to State coffers, where CA is anticipating an increase of 7 BILLION dollars from legalized marijuana alone, not even counting the “side” businesses that would be generated for their state.

Hatred of the poor is rampant and long lasting. Over 15 years ago when Welfare Reform was being enacted, the blame of the Welfare Queen low income mom was a concerted diversion from the REAL Welfare Queens; the rich, large corporations and the military. At that time in 1996, corporations paid less than 8% in revenues (where the poor and middle class paid upwards of 60% and small businesses the rest), the military in peace time was taking almost 50% of the budget, and welfare was less than 4% of the budget.

Blaming the poor, especially helpless low income mothers, was using the most vulnerable population who could never defend themselves, and a, “Quick! Look over there, Welfare mom! Welfare mom! Oooooo!” This hatred of the poor took Welfare out of Social Security and made it “discretionary” meaning legislators could cut at will and cut they have, making welfare now less than 2% of the budget, calling Welfare a,”Temporary Assistance to Needy Families”, (TANF) that killed our safety net for the existing poor, which now with the typical lack of foresight does not exist for the New Poor, the falling Middle Class.

Recently while in discussion around the Title IV funding and TANF with Representative Jim McDermott’s office, his financial aide made an offhand statement that haunts me today. Representative McDermott is the chairperson of the powerful Ways and Means committee with the subcommittee dealing with poverty funding. In this cavalier statement after I kept asking questions, this financial aide finally told me that this funding is difficult and a political football (not his words, my gist of what he was saying) in an attempt to explain this difficulty about negotiating with miserly legislators and explaining why it was so bad. He said in essence, “Look, the hatred of the poor makes negotiating this funding a VERY difficult job …”

So even the Ways and Means subcommittee chairperson’s staff people know Representative McDermott’s task is a hard one. Why is it so? This hatred has makes it near impossible for any helpful funding and policies, therefore causing more misery every day.

Some of these changes may be radical, but really most if not all of them would actually save lots of money. It is far cheaper to give families assistance than to take kids ~ 1000% cheaper ~ but because of our hatred we would rather spend these billions taking kids, putting them in even more abusive situations, and then selling them than we would for the 1000% LESS to help their birth families. It is far cheaper to assist the disabled than to let them go to the streets where crime, further suffering, much more expensive unattended medical issues, and danger abound but instead we prefer to spend this money destroying entire families and their children for life.

Besides being an international embarrassment to our country by the way we treat the poor because of this hatred, we put our entire country at risk. We wonder why the intense anger and disgust for our nation with its hypocrisy, why the disconnection from the Powers That Be, why the needless suffering, and why our country is becoming a laughing stock abroad when anyone can see that 3rd world American poverty is rampant and belies the so-called now-fake “American Dream”.

Displaced hatred directed at the poor costs lots of money. Dollar for dollar this hatred creates does little and merely backs with its billions causing even more agony for low income families, their children, the disabled and the poor, when this funding could improve millions of lives if we saw poverty for what it is and used this funding more wisely.

Even Representative Jim McDermott’s office will tell you this hatred is true.

Cat in Seattle

Parents Organizing for Welfare and Economic Rights (P.O.W.E.R.)
http://www.oly-wa.us/power/

Copyright peoplesing.org 2009 Reprinted in full with permission
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-10 09:49 AM
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1. This should be information well-understood for all Dems!
You have laid out some very basic facts that we all need to familiarize ourselves with, and be able to converse deeply on all of these points!

You have done the hard work of putting them all together, and there is no reason for any Dem to not be busy about the task of making sure all of this is understood by everyone within their reach!

Thanks so much for what you have outlined for us!

:applause:
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-10 10:20 AM
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2. Have you read "Tyranny of Kindness"?
http://www.amazon.com/Tyranny-Kindness-Dismantling-Welfare-Poverty/dp/0871135787

It is an excellent book that clearly lays out the degrading treatment of the poor at the hands of the poverty pimps. The author, Theresa Funiciello, concludes that, for the most part, we do not need to support a system of social services but rather, every citizen needs a guaranteed income.

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mntleo2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-10 11:10 AM
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4. No but I have read exerps
The illusion that the poor somehow need to be "fixed" when in truth poverty is an Institution, is the basis of this attitude. It is sad to me that few recognize the true face of poverty based on racism, sexism and classism.

Even other activists cringe at the criticism of these nons because they are afraid if nons are called out on their greed and lack of services, nobody will do it. But I say if you want to eradicate poverty, you have to look at the truth of whatever these "solutions" do.

My 2 cents

Cat in Seattle
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-10 04:48 PM
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12. wow! amazing book! Thanks so much.... I gotta have this one!
:yourock:
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-10 02:05 AM
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14. It really is a remarkable book and shaped my strategy for advocacy...
That is a guaranteed income and full autonomy on how that income is spent.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-10 12:01 PM
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15. That is obviously preferred. Nobody since Nixon has advocated a guaranteed income, so the fallback
position is Housing For All.

Have you come across any organizations advocating Guaranteed Income?

It would be good to be agitating for the future!!

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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-10 10:31 AM
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3. Think about all those sketchy "Checks Cashed" places
They manage to extract billions -- BILLIONS -- from the poor every year.

On the one hand, that gives the lie to the claim that the poor never employed anybody.

On the other hand, that complicates the idea that poverty is simply a question of a lack of money.
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mntleo2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-10 11:14 AM
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5. AND other things such as ...
...late fees because McJobs do not even pay the rent much less the electric bill, phone, and other necessities, and IF you are poor with a bank account, do not forget the exorbitant non-sufficient funds fees, etc.

While poverty is about the lack of money imo, I have to say this lack is institutionally and artificially created in order to further enrich the entitled.

My 2 cents

Cat
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-10 11:19 AM
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6. I think there's a lot to poverty
There's the lack of money. There's the lack of safe and available places to save that money. There's the lack of affordable goods and services. And, yes, there's the decisions some people make about what to do with their money.
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mntleo2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-10 11:37 AM
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7. LOL! One time my father told m,e ...
...that I "wasted" my money. I had to tell him a few things.

He cried about growing up in the Depression, but he was a freaking child, he was not the breadwinner as his parents and I were. He did not have a clue because his work time was during the biggest economic boom of our country, thanks to men and women like his parents who risked everything and saw people murdered while trying to fight for a livable wage. I am not denigrating his hard work, I am just saying that he GOT something for that work, decent pay that provided for a whole family and allowed him to be the wage earner while my mother took care of the family with HER full time job doing this care, which he depended on so he did not have to do it too. His parents and their granddaughter (me) got nothing for the hard work we did that was just as hard.

I was never an alcoholic (like he was), I was never a drug user, unlike him, not only did I work full time, but I went to school and got straight As in college. Then I came home and then did my mother's work, which he never had to do. Indeed he came home, put up his feet in his clean front room wearing his clean IRONED shorts and pants, turned on the TV and lamp because my mother had done all the book keeping and so he had lights, never had to mow or clean the yard, never bought so much as a gallon of milk, never managed the check book, nor did he ever have to cook a single meal and then went to bed in his IRONED clean sheets in his IRONED pajamas, all that he demanded so he could work for a wage.

Every penny of the money I made was spent on family needs for my three kids and myself. I had nothing to waste. I married before I had my children, did everything right, and yet I "wasted" my money.

Yeah right ...bad choices. I am not the only woman that could tell you this same story, indeed we are in the majority and the few that make "bad choices" are the minority. Wasting is not in the equation, there was nothing to waste.

Just sayin' ...

Cat
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-10 11:47 AM
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8. See, it's impossible to ever mention it
Edited on Tue Sep-14-10 11:50 AM by Recursion
Yes, I'm well aware plenty of poor people aren't making bad choices. But plenty are, in addition to the systemic obstacles put down against them.

The idea that education can't help people do things that make their situation better is troubling.
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mntleo2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-10 02:54 PM
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9. Education ...
...it might help to get an education as a younger person because age discrimination is rampant after the age of 40 as far as hiring practices. Of course no corporation would ever admit that because it is illegal, they simply do not hire you.

Also there is no law to discriminate against someone who is poor. Indeed now with background checks including financial checks, due to robbing Peter to pay Paul as is the norm in poverty, it is almost impossible for a poor person to pass them no matter what their education level. Classism is the new racism, ageism, and sexism and poverty is a perfectly legal excuse to refuse to hire ~ as a cover for the rest of the prejudices existing.

The mention of bad choices could be said for ANY class. For instance the middle class buying McMansions they should never have afforded could be considered a very bad choice as is taking jobs that were not secure. Probably worse of all was ignoring the signs of coming economic shock while wildly applause for the deliberate tattering of the safety net. Some might say it was bad choices and short sighted thinking for these people who could never believe. even with a historical background that poverty could happen to them. But you do not hear much or see much blame about THOSE supposed bad choices. Nobody held a gun to their head and MADE them participate in any of it, yet they are not held accountable as are the poor.

The truth is BOTH classes are victims of elite thinking that ruined this economy. I have no desire to point the finger, just saying that "bad choices" could be visited on both classes when in fact both experienced institutional flaws that put them in the place they are today.



Cat
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-10 04:20 PM
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11. We need to rethink some of that "education" meme.
Such as.... if everyone is suddenly a middle-management person, in order to make a decent wage, who is going to do the scut work?

Who is going to clean the restrooms, the CEO?

Who is going to do the maid work in the hotel when the management meet for their great get-to-gether?

Who is going to collect the garbage? The doctors, as B.F. Skinner suggested?
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JoeyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-10 07:42 PM
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13. It doesn't really complicate it if you know people that use those places.
There's a lack of money but they're scraping by paycheck to paycheck. Then something comes along and costs them more than they can pay so they get an advance. Now the next check isn't going to cover bills either, so they have to get another advance. They end up trapped in an endless cycle of advances to cover bills.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-10 02:58 PM
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10. poverty industry is right. just another way for rich people to make money by raking off guaranteed
Edited on Tue Sep-14-10 02:59 PM by Hannah Bell
government money. time-honored. and the poor stay poor.


just read a bunch of international docs promoting the idea that ngo's should contract with localities to provide education in underdeveloped countries. another facet of the poverty industry, & a way to undermine the power of central governments to boot.

ngos are staffed -- in the upper realms -- by the same class that's killing us.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-10 07:42 AM
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16. K&R nt
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