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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 01:00 PM
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Moody's: The wealthy don't spend tax cuts! They save them!
Moody's confirm what most of us already know: tax cuts neither generate revenue nor create jobs. We are currently under the Bush administration's tax cuts for the wealthy program which hasn't created ONE net job!!

The next time one of your right wing conservative, Republican or DLC Democrat claims that tax cuts generate economic growth, please point them to Moody's analysis:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/print/2010-09-13/rich-americans-save-money-from-tax-cuts-instead-of-spending-moody-s-says.html

Rich Americans Save Tax Cuts Instead of Spending, Moody's Says
By Timothy R. Homan - Sep 13, 2010 Hand the wealthiest Americans a tax cut and history suggests they will save the money rather than spend it.

Tax cuts in 2001 and 2003 under President George W. Bush were followed by increases in the saving rate among the rich, according to data from Moody’s Analytics Inc. When taxes were raised under Bill Clinton, the saving rate fell.

The findings may weaken arguments by Republicans and some Democrats in Congress who say allowing the Bush-era tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans to lapse will prompt them to reduce their spending, harming the economy. President Barack Obama wants to extend the cuts for individuals earning less than $200,000 and couples earning less than $250,000 while ending them for those who earn more.

“I would tend to wonder how much the tax cut actually influences spending behavior,” said Chris Cornell, an economist who mined government reports back to 1989 for West Chester, Pennsylvania-based Moody’s Analytics. “Spending by the top 5 percent of households seems much more closely tied to business- cycle issues than it does to tax-cut issues.”

The Moody’s research covering couples earning more than $210,000 found that spending by the wealthy is more likely to be influenced by the ups and downs of the stock market than changes in income-tax rates.

Stock-market performance is the “primary factor that is driving the savings of the top 5 percent of households,” said Mustafa Akcay, economist and co-researcher of the savings data.

Federal Reserve Data

The Moody’s economists examined saving rates by income groups back to 1989. Their study uses statistics from the Federal Reserve’s quarterly Flow of Funds report, which gauges the net worth of households, and the Fed’s triennial Survey of Consumer Finances, a measure of balance sheets, pensions and incomes of U.S. families.

When tax legislation was signed by Clinton in 1993 -- raising the top tax rate to 39.6 percent from 31 percent -- the saving rate fell from 12.1 percent in the second quarter to 9.5 percent in the first quarter of 1994. The Standard & Poor’s 500 Index rose 1.9 percent from July through September, after little change the previous three months.

When the first Bush tax cuts were signed into law in June 2001, pushing the top rate down to 35 percent, the wealthy boosted savings. The saving rate climbed to 2.8 percent in the first quarter of 2002 from minus 2 percent in the second quarter of 2001. The increased savings coincided with a 1.1 percent decline in the S&P 500 index.

Second Round

After the second round of Bush tax cuts in May 2003, the rich also increased their saving, with the rate climbing to 7.6 percent in the first quarter of 2004 from 2.2 percent in the second quarter of 2003, the Moody’s data show.

The analysis found some similarities across income levels in the 2001 and 2003 data. The wealthy and the remaining 95 percent of Americans both saved more of their incomes after the Bush tax cuts. The saving rate is defined as personal savings as a percentage of after-tax income.

The political debate over extending the Bush-era tax cuts, which expire at the end of the year, is intensifying with the approach of congressional elections in November.

Obama, at a White House news conference on Sept. 10, said the push by Republicans to extend cuts for the wealthiest Americans is a “bad idea” because it would cost $700 billion in government revenue at a time of record budget deficits.

Boehner, McConnell

Republicans including Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell and House Minority Leader John Boehner contend that tax cuts should remain for all and any attempt to target the wealthy -- the top 2 percent to 3 percent earners in the country -- could hurt growth and investment.

Boehner on Sept. 13 said he was prepared to compromise with the Obama administration and would vote for middle-class tax cuts even if it meant eliminating reductions for wealthier Americans, which he said would be “bad policy.”

“If the only option I have is to vote for some of those tax reductions, I’ll vote for it,” the Republican from Ohio said on CBS’s “Face the Nation” program. He added: “I am going to do everything I can to fight to make sure that we extend the current tax rates for all Americans.”

Some economists voice caution about the promised effects of a change in tax rates. The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office in January analyzed policy options and possible short- term effects on growth.

“Policies that temporarily increased the after-tax income of people who are relatively well off would probably have little effect on their spending because they generally would be able finance their consumption out of their income or assets without such a change,” CBO director Douglas Elmendorf testified to Congress on Feb. 23.

Poor Credit

On the other hand, tax relief for families with “lower income, few assets and poor credit would probably” spur spending, he said. Elmendorf said because of job losses and a drop in assets over the past two years more families “probably fit that description now.”

Guy LeBas, chief fixed-income strategist at Janney Montgomery Scott LLC in Philadelphia, who follows consumer spending, said it’s hard to predict the impact of changes in tax policy. “We don’t know what’s going to happen when sizeable tax cuts are likely to be reversed,” he said.

The Bush-era cuts “coincided with a lot of volatile happenings in the U.S. market,” said LeBas, including the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

Year of Crisis

Cornell and Akcay also looked at 2009 -- a year of financial crisis -- and found wealthy Americans again saved less as the stock market revived.

High-income earners saved at a 9 percent rate in the first three months of 2009, when the S&P 500 dropped to a 12-year low on March 9. As stocks recovered, the saving rate fell to minus 0.5 percent in the second quarter and remained negative through March 2010.

Cornell and Akcay said higher-income earners were spending more than their disposable income, suggesting they used stock- market gains to support their spending. Interest and dividends account for nearly 8 percent of the household income of the top 10 percent of Americans, according to the Fed’s 2007 Survey of Consumer Finances.

Economist Harm Bandholz said discouraging the wealthy from spending could weaken the economy, something Republicans argue will happen if the Bush-era tax cuts expire.

“Most of the consumption growth is coming from the higher- income groups,” said Bandholz, chief U.S. economist at UniCredit Global Research in New York. “The lower income groups, they are barely living hand-to-mouth.”

David Dyson, who co-owns an insurance company in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, said he’s more concerned about the state of the economy than the prospect of a tax increase, which he figures will cost him as much as $30,000.

“I have more than enough money to live on and probably will go out to eat as much as I do,” said Dyson, 58. On the other hand, he may decide to postpone building an addition to his house. “That’s primarily on hold because of the economy, not necessarily my taxes,” he said.

To contact the reporter on this story: Timothy R. Homan in Washington at thoman1@bloomberg.net
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 01:05 PM
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1. They buy bonds and BONDS don't create jobs!
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el_bryanto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-10 07:23 AM
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9. this is true. You give the working class some extra bucks and they spend them
either because they need to or because they want to. Poor people always have extra stuff they'd like to get. Wealthy people on the other hand already have most of what they might want. So they are just as likely to throw it into the bank.

Bryant
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 01:46 PM
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2. Obama's policy is fucked up
This is why Obama's economic policy is so fucked up. $50 billion for infrastructure and $200 billion for tax cuts for investment. We are in a liquidity trap and incentives for borrowing/lending are simply not going to work. It's like pushing on a piece of wet spaghetti.

You want stimulus you have to increase unemployment benefits, increase health care subsidies, raise the minimum wage, strengthen unions and make it easier to form them and give them real bargaining power. If you really want a recovery, the government has to take (tax away) the money the rich are hoarding and (gasp!) loan it or give it to small businesses/consumers to actually start economic activity.

Our economy is 70% consumption! It makes sense to focus stimulus dollars where they will have the biggest bang for the buck. Obama's economic advisors would be hardliners in Reagan's administration for fucks sake! Compromised trickled down/supply side economic policies are not going to work.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 02:35 PM
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4. + a brazillion!
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 01:54 PM
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3. 30 years of Reaganomics should have proven that!
No tax cut for the rich has ever produced a job. Why would anyone be so stupid to believe the GOP and that rhetoric now?
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 04:22 PM
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5. You said...
Edited on Mon Sep-13-10 04:23 PM by Liberal_Stalwart71
Why would anyone be so stupid to believe the GOP and that rhetoric now?

For several main reasons, in my view:

1. Republicans have done a fantastic job scaring voters with their Southern Strategy and using wedge issues to get otherwise reasonable people to vote against their best interest. ("What's the Matter with Kansas? by Thomas Frank.)

2. Democrats have failed to counter #1 above; hence, most Americans being influenced by fear, greed, and hatred.

3. Democrats' failure to capitalize on the good things they have done. Why aren't more Democrats campaigning on all the progress they've made?

4. The systematic dumbing down of America. It's in the works. Keep Americans ignorant of the facts. Republicans have perfected the art of simplicity. Policy making is difficult. Lot's of nuance. Lot's of complexity. Constitutional rules, especially in the House. Republicans are banking on the fact that most Americans don't understand that it takes only ONE Senator to stall or kill legislation. John Kerry got into trouble trying to explain the amendment process. "When you're explaining, you're losing!" And since Republicans have successfully campaigned on bumper sticker slogans and catchy rhetoric and policy platforms, they win. Who's against "The Patriot Act" and "No Child Left Behind?" No one. But when you're explaining, you're losing. And Republicans have been able to put Democrats in a position where they are forced to explain very complex policy making to very ill informed people. Keep the people stupid, ignorant, apathetic and uninformed and they'll believe anything you tell them!!
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TheMuse Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 04:43 PM
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7. This pretty much sums it up.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-10 07:43 AM
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11. Good question
Edited on Tue Sep-14-10 07:45 AM by BeFree
Democrats' failure to capitalize on the good things they have done. Why aren't more Democrats campaigning on all the progress they've made?

I suggest an new thread presenting that question.

Being this cynical 'tis hard from here to make much of a list. A list of the progress made in the last 18 months would be a timely exercise, eh?


Along with that a list of the obstructions placed in our way?
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-10 09:10 PM
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14. If you do that, it needs to be FRONT PAGE and repeatedly KICKED and RECOMMENDED!!
Because there are too many here on DU who do the wingnut Republican deed for them.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 04:24 PM
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6. kik
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-10 07:15 AM
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8. Kicked, rec's & Twitter'd NT
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-10 07:31 AM
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10. K&R
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-10 07:51 AM
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12. I'd say the gist of the story is that the wealthy are more sensitive to total earnings from investme...
And their spending is more directly correlated to the overall economy. This means the tax incresses in itself are not the determining factor but the effects of the increases are.

But the larger picture remains, we are a country dependent on consumer spending and a fall in consumption means no hiring or even layoffs.
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-10 09:17 AM
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13. A no-shit-Sherlock moment. Rec'd. nt
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