President Obama should use his lawful powerz to capture that book burning fool

[opihimoimoi]

and incarcerate him for 5 years...without access to a microphone...

He is a Terrorist

and for the love of God...the prime GOPers all refuse to silence the man

[Taverner]

1. Huh?

Look I can see slapping him with a 'bonfire without a permit' fine, but last I heard we had freedom of speech here.

[opihimoimoi]

7. If we let him do it and no one gets hurt...I would agree...but lives of our Troops are at stake

This is different

[Codeine]

32. They told me that protesting the war put soldiers at risk too.

I didn't buy their bullshit then, nd I don't buy it now.

[opihimoimoi]

50. Thats a bit diff....close but no cigars

[WinkyDink]

56. This is a parody, right?

[piratefish08]

60. you know what else puts troops life at risk? killing their civilians

and children as collateral damage.

[slackmaster]

2. Unrec for hyperbole

:nuke:

[jaysunb]

3. I think there are some laws on the books that would

address this kind of provocative action, after all, we are at war...aren't we. :shrug:

[opihimoimoi]

9. To Save lives...we do the allout thing...but in this case...we let our Troops die?? WTF?

[WinkyDink]

58. Soldiers aren't going to be killed in MORE numbers because of

some moron in Florida, FGS.

Do you think somehow we are not the enemy over there, having illegally invaded BOTH Iraq and Afghanistan, and that this book-burning (BTW, you DO know nothing yet has occurred, right?) ALONE will be the catalyst to violence?

[WinkyDink]

59. Throw an American in Gitmo over this. Wow.

And no, we are NOT "at war." We are at "illegally invade and occupy a sovereign nation".

[jaysunb]

64. I don't think it was an illegal invasion.

Seems like the rest of the world agreed and aided the Afgahnistan action.
However, I think there are some sort of laws that prevent citizens from doing things to jeapordize troops in harms way.

I'm not happy with the state of things either,but I'd hope we as a people would try to minimize the loss of life on both sides.

FYI, I'm a Vietnam veteran and your seeming lack of understanding for the realities of war--whether you agree or not--are troubling.....

[oldgrowth]

4. Virginia v. Black 2003 nt

[PDJane]

5. Can't legally do it..........

But a counter-protest would be a fine idea. One for tolerance and peace and prosperity........you know, all them socialist idears.

[opihimoimoi]

10. If them GOPer dudes can find legal ways to rob us...we can find legal ways to save our troops

from unnecessary danger....

[RB TexLa]

6. The President should not even acknowledge this person.

[opihimoimoi]

11. In some perspectives...Obama would become complicit by allowing this shit to happen

[smalll]

15. Exactly.

For once, I drink with you! :)

[JoePhilly]

8. Short answer is no.

Welcome to America. This whack job can burn any book he likes.

[opihimoimoi]

13. Me thinks if he goes through and many troops die/wounded...we would no one to blame but ourselves

Worse case scenario::: Hundreds die because of this....maybe thousands..

Is it worth it?

I say we imprison him for 5 years as a terrorist....Gitmo even...

[WinkyDink]

61. That's some "cause and effect" thing you've got going on.

[JoePhilly]

68. The terrorists don't really need any excuse to do what they do.

Sure, every time they do something, they provide a reason. And yes, this nuts stunt provides a reason they can exploit. But if not his book burning party, it'll be something else.

Far worse is sad about Muslims on Fox news, or in the comment section of USATODAY ... any of that can be used as a reason.

[Capitalocracy]

12. Come on now, this guy has freedom of speech.

Of course, if he were Muslim, we would be perfectly justified in torturing him just in case he knows Osama bin Laden.

[opihimoimoi]

14. Say this to me after he does it and the Islamics go nuts and kill hundreds of our troops

travelers, and diplomats...

[Capitalocracy]

16. I was being sarcastic of course

Honestly, I think it's a dangerous road to go down to use terrorists' (insurgents'?) reactions as a reason to stifle free speech, but this guy's really pushing the limits. It would take some real convincing for me to stand up for this guy if his little KKK party got shut down.

[opihimoimoi]

22. Obviously the Nut case is not of firm mind, which is normally still OK. But...

to save our people from harms way...we should consider the draconian move and stifle him

The Reason...He is a DANGER TO OUR NATION.....

ITS AIDING THE ENEMY IN TIME OF WAR

we cannot afford the normal freedom of speech card

[pecwae]

70. Now citing

freedom of speech is tantamount down a 'card'? I can't tell if you're attempting sarcasm with your OP and your responses in this thread. Things have been bizarre, so I won't discount that you're entirely serious.

[TheKentuckian]

71. Our essential freedoms are not a fucking card nor are they hostage to the reactions from

the offended.

It is not aiding an enemy in a time of war by any sane definition.

If our troops are in locations with such a drastic cultural difference that we must undo our basic rights as not to offend then our options are to pull out or annihilate.
It doesn't cease to be America because our government elects to kick hornets nests or occupy nations.

We have a limited government which means authority must be given for government to take on powers from the people.

[msongs]

18. you gonna quit breathing to placate people who go nuts anyway? nt

[Forkboy]

26. Good heavens, have a plum.

[WillowTree]

33. "The Islamics"???

Who ARE you? WHAT are you?

[WinkyDink]

62. Here's a clue: No excuse needed.

[NoNothing]

17. I'm getting really fucking sick

Of having to defend this sick fucking whack job lunatic asshole.

But I will take his stupid goddamn idiotic symbolic burning, and any consequences that come from it, over the authoritarian prior restraint ideas that suddenly seem to be popular here.

[opihimoimoi]

23. What we gonna tell the relatives of people killed wounded because of the non action of stopping him?

All the Military are saying the same thing.....we should not be burning no Korans at this time....our troops would be in harms way needlessly

[NoNothing]

25. I would tell them something like this:

"We dare not forget today that we are the heirs of that first revolution. Let the word go forth from this time and place, to friend and foe alike, that the torch has been passed to a new generation of Americans—born in this century, tempered by war, disciplined by a hard and bitter peace, proud of our ancient heritage—and unwilling to witness or permit the slow undoing of those human rights to which this Nation has always been committed, and to which we are committed today at home and around the world."

"Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty."

[opihimoimoi]

29. Yes, it all sounds good...and is good....but....I yearn to see the Constitution amended to address

the Freedom of Speech thingy....

At what point do we let people get killed/hurt on this Principle of anything go's?

In my feeble mind....this is gross...there has to be a way to save lives due to actions by nutcases with no goodness in mind for the NATION....

[NoNothing]

35. Nope

That is the nature of freedom. It can be dangerous. It can kill people.

If that means freedom is not for you, then I'm afraid America is not for you.

[opihimoimoi]

39. and how would all that principle help us should the sit excalate into a full blown Jihad, Holy Hell

War where a billion or so die? would it be worth it? maybe be 6 Billion?

I venture not...there has to be some flexibility in halting this situation where one action endangers others...

[WinkyDink]

63. Okay, if this is NOT a parody, you have made a wrong turn to get to DU.

[smalll]

19. Not to pick on you alone, because other people are making the same errors you are --

but they really are gigantic errors.

1) You don't understand the concept of "freedom of speech" under our First Amendement, which includes FREEDOM OF EPXRESSION. This is not illegal. It is not arson, it is not cross-burning on someone's lawn to intimidate them, it is not "treason" (I've seen that here in an OP recently) and it is not terrorism!

2) Your whole argument for trying to criminalize this behavior comes down to a strategy of cowering. You tell us that this will endanger the lives of hundreds, if not thousands of our troops. Your whole argument hinges on the concept that Islam is "different" than other religions or other systems of belief in that it is especially prone to violent reactions. You know, maybe you're right. But if so, is abject cowering really the best policy?

3) If Obama did what you wanted him to do, the percentage of people in this country who would tell the next pollster that he's a secret Muslim would quickly rise to around 50%, if not higher. We'd lose the House and we'd lose the Senate. And all the Romneys, Huckabees and Palins of this world would start to salivate, seeing for the first time a great hope for one of them to actually defeat Obama in 2012!

[opihimoimoi]

24. You make excellent points and in reality you are correct...I still maintain there should be

circumstances that would mitigate the dude...

The GOP leaders have not to date come out and diss him as a nutcase...thats crazy for it allows for all kinds of speculation...mostly negative...

I guess the best way to solve this would be for the whole Nation rejecting the planned burning...

Its just a wish...

[spin]

42. Good point on Obama stopping the burning ...

It would be seen as proof that he is a secret Muslim by many.

It might also lead to more groups burning Korans in protest and incite far more problems.

[mike r]

20. Nope, Terry Jones has every right to burn any book

or any flag he wants. It's his constitutional right.

[opihimoimoi]

27. Then we should change the damn thing to address these kinds of nutcases...

I just abhore the idea of our Troops/civilians getting caught in harms way ...

because of this LEGAL ACTION....

[JonLP24]

65. They're in harm ways

because of the government's actions put them there. It seems silly to me to have the government lock this guy up as a "terrorist" out of a fear of having troops placed in danger when it is the government that is putting these guys in harm's way.

[JVS]

21. Is this meant facetiously?

[opihimoimoi]

31. 50/50 :wink:

[Recovered Repug]

28. So what other actions

that piss off whackadoodles should be outlawed? Is anything that pisses off any whackadoodle "terrorism" or does it just cover Islamic whackadoodles?

[opihimoimoi]

30. Only actions that imperil others...thats common sense

[Recovered Repug]

34. Oh, like abortion?

Anti-abortion advocates have killed people and imperiled others. So, under your criteria abortion must be outlawed.

[opihimoimoi]

36. WTF?? Of course we should lockup those that threaten others with violence

abortion is another story

[lonestarnot]

38. Excuse me, but what in the fuck are you talking about?

[lonestarnot]

37. His comrade has been packing heat for 3 to 4 weeks now. Admitted on TV box, Hardball broadcast.

[spin]

40. Hell it's Florida ... guns are everywhere ...

a significant percentage of citizens normally "pack heat" here (including me). There are 754,548 currently valid Florida concealed weapons permits.

Information as of August 31, 2010
Ref: http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/stats/cw_monthly.html

Many other Floridians do not have concealed licenses but carry loaded firearms in their vehicles. The weapon has to be securely encased.

The simplest and most common definition of "securely encased" means it is in a holster or gun rug that is snapped, zipped, or strapped, or in a box or container with a closed lid or top so that the lid or top must be physically opened in order to use or fire the weapon. Securely encased would also allow the firearm or weapon to be placed inside a closed glove compartment or closed console of a vehicle. The firearm may be fully loaded at the time, however, it cannot be concealed on your person unless you also have a CWP.
http://www.floridafirearmslaw.com/Carrying-Concealed-Firearm-Concealed-Weapon.html

I knew a retired police officer who carried a Colt 1911 .45 auto in a cigar box on the seat beside him.

[smalll]

41. Cower, cower!

Run away, run away!

[opihimoimoi]

43. Cower?? Fuck that shit...this could mean a holy war where millions are affected with Fatal results.

You guys want a holy war??? Is that it??

must be cause them top GOPers are all silent

Why do they Hate the TROOPS?

[NobodyHere]

45. So are you're saying...

that if we don't burn the Koran, then there will be no more attacks on US troops?

[opihimoimoi]

47. Hey, don't put words in my mouth...listen to our top GENERALS on this shit

[npk]

44. What President Obama should do

Is cutoff any media outlet that broadcasts this shit over their air waves. This is not news. It's no more news then some jerk off calling news channel up and telling them that he and drunk buddies are going to drive their pickup truck over a ravine. What fucking news value is gained here. None. What the fuck is next. Any dumb ass fucking person calling up their news stations and telling them that they are going to burn copies of "Catcher in the Rye" or burn copies of Obama's campaign posters. THIS IS ALL BULLSHIT. If I were Obama I would hold a press conference tomorrow and tell all media outlets that operate within our borders that they are free to broadcast this shit, but if they do they will get nothing more from the White House. No access to news conferences, press releases, nothing. The media is culpable in all this shit. And the god damn know it too.

[opihimoimoi]

Good idea but diff to do....me thinks.. :o)

[opihimoimoi]

delete

[opihimoimoi]

48. dupe 2

[opihimoimoi]

49. dupy

[hugo_from_TN]

52. Unconstitutional

The government can't target news media it disagrees with and prevent them from covering the news.

[Codeine]

46. He doesn't have Lawful powers. His character sheet says Neutral Good. nt

[opihimoimoi]

51. If he doesn't have powers to save our troops lives...we only have them GOPers to flame and Blame

Them fuckers actually want a holy war so they can test new weapons n shit as they kill off a couple million..

ALL BULLIES WANT CONFLICT

[TheManInTheMac]

53. Why not just ignore the jerk?

Shit, he's already accomplished what he set out to do.

[opihimoimoi]

57. The GOP WHACKO Party appears to want this shit...the Pub Headliners have

so far refused to join the chorus of stopping him

what? is the Whacko Party behind this shit???

[Hubert Flottz]

54. The GOPers could care less about "religous freedom" or any

other idea that our country was founded upon. They're about "Victory" "Anything less is uncivilized"

They must "WIN" even if the country is losing everything of any "value".

They are like a swarm of mindless blood sucking locusts.

[opihimoimoi]

55. They are ...WHACKOs.....Their DNA suggests an aversion to TRUTH REALITY n COMMON SENSE

KILL THE WHACKO Party

Vote BLUE

Come, we go vote early

[Rage for Order]

66. If we can save even ONE person's life

The abrogation of all of our rights and freedoms would be a small price to pay!

:crazy:

[opihimoimoi]

67. Xactly...Thank you....

[Forkboy]

69. I'm betting that was sarcasm.