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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 04:19 PM
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Please rate and comment on this latest editorial re:1st amendment means Christian Religion
As you know,I comment for the other local paper....have fun..they need to hear facts

http://www.elliscountypress.com/editorials/9889-simply-speaking-traitors-to-america.html


Simply Speaking: Traitors to America!
By Jimmie Simmons (jimmielsimmons@yahoo.com) 08/26/2010 10:29:00

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Most of us recognize the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America, also known as the first of 10 parts making up the Bill of Rights, ratified effective on Dec. 15, 1791.

And, most of us know the ratification part was accomplished by a vote of 11 of 1791’s 14 sovereign colonies (often referred to as states), fulfilling the three-fourths requirement for passage.

What most of us probably also know, subconsciously at least, is that the word "religion" found in the 1st Amendment was not an all-inclusive reference by the framers of the constitution to the way we think of the word "religion" these days.

Nope, by simply looking at the constitutions and founding documents of those fourteen colonies, we should quickly pick up on the fact they were based on Christianity, more specifically, protestant Christianity.

Oh, I realize our "modern" interpretation is quick to include every ungodly religion found in the world today, even other-worldly religions, if we knew of any.

Modern thought would, if it could, omit Christianity from the 1st Amendment mix…if it could. And, it is trying to do so.

A current example is found in America’s largest city, New York.

The Muslim mosque proposed for construction at the site of the 9/11 attack on the World Trade Center…by Muslim terrorists, is being hailed as a constitutional 1st Amendment right by too many Americans…who should know better.

At the same time, the small Saint Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church (Christian), which was crushed when the South Tower fell on it, has not been able to garner the New York, White House, Washington, American, or World support needed to rebuild in the nine years since the Muslim terrorist attack.

So much for the 1st Amendment to the Bill of Rights; simply turn it on its head, you traitors to America!

What about the New York of, say, 1777? Well, per the New York Charter of Liberties and Privileges (1683) Or: "THAT Noe person or persons which professe faith in God by Jesus Christ Shall at any time be any wayes molested punished disquieted or called in Question for any Difference in opinion or Matter of Religious Concernment."

The Dutch Colony (New York) of the seventeenth century was officially intolerantly Protestant but was, as has been noted, in practice tolerant and fair to people of other faiths who dwelt within New Netherland (Dutch New York). from New Advent Catholic Encyclopedia, thus the "intolerant" verbiage is probably in reference to Catholics of the time…

More from the Catholic encyclopedia on New York: "In 1697, although the Anglican Church was never formally established in the Province of New York, Trinity Church was founded in the city of New York by royal charter and received many civil privileges and the munificent grants of land which are the source of its present great wealth."

The previous paragraph from the Catholic encyclopedia was evidently written prior to New York’s governmental spending extravaganza of recent years, the wealth part anyway.

So, you tell me, have we allowed our constitution to be stood on its head or not?

Shall we work on getting it back in an upright position.

If we the people work together, we can do it. YES WE CAN!

May Yahweh bless through Yeshua the Christ.
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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 04:23 PM
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1. This is gibberish...
and not worth the effort to refute.
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Sinistrous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 04:26 PM
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2. +1
Amen, etc.
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 04:31 PM
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5. ordinarily,I would agree...but this is the main paper for a significant area
well...Ferris,Palmer and many other small communities.
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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 04:51 PM
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12. It's simple...our founding fathers were afraid of religion combined with....
government. Especially the Christian religion. That's why they wrote that part of the Constitution. Many were Deists, which means that they believed in a God but not in Christianity.

The U.S. government is not controlling the building of the mosque any more than they are controlling the building of the Greek Orthodox church. Somehow these yahoos think that a hands off approach means that the mosque is getting special treatment. They are just wilfully ignorant.
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 04:26 PM
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3. p.s....some of the other editorial titles
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 04:31 PM
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4. Who know an 80% majority could be so victimized?
The poor things are under attack from all over the place and now have to worship in secret in their homes, printed sermons being whispered among friends and family so that the neighbors don't hear and turn them in.

Assholes like the one who wrote the above screed are why a lot of young people who are believers won't identify as Christians--jokers like this one have given Christians such an incredibly bad reputation as crybabies, hysterics, and bigots.

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IntravenousDemilo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 04:33 PM
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6. I left a comment. n/m
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 04:40 PM
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10. LOL..I saw it...good one!
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 04:35 PM
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7. Just mention the Treaty of Tripoli.
Adams was President at the time (1797). The pertinent paragraph says:

"Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen,—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."

This one always makes heads explode.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 04:37 PM
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8. Many of the Founding Fathers were deists
Washington and Jefferson in particular. It is misleading to state that the Constitution was based on Protestant Christianity.

Also the reference to "colonies (often referred to as states)" indicates that these are separatists a la Goodhair Perry.
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NTXDem Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 04:38 PM
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9. Alrighty then...
I feel dumber for having read this tripe. And we allow this idiot to both vote and reproduce (I hope not).

Guess this means as a Jew, I have no rights to worship, huh?
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 04:45 PM
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11. Try being an atheist in the US. We've got you out-persecuted there, pal. nt
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 04:51 PM
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13. This is historical revisionism


Most of the leading founders were deists and not Protestant Christians.


John Adams was an exception but he was a strict constitutionalist and didn't want the constitution to become a haven for church protection. This can be seen by his willingness to defend British soldiers accused of murder at the Boston Massacre. He supported broad constitutional principles despite the fact that they ran against popular opinion.


The only minister to sign the Declaration of Independence was John Witherspoon and he was a radical for seperation of Church and state.


Moreover saying that founders of the Republic were Evangelical Protestants or Capitalists projects a modern understanding of those terms. Neither evangelical protestantism or capitalism were in their present form until all of the signers (sans Hamilton) were long gone and passed into history.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 05:31 PM
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14. Special kind of stupid, right there.
Ok, first of all the founding fathers were not so narrowly educated as this zealot seems to think. I believe in the 1700's most people knew of the various religions in the world. For instance, does "The Crusades" ring a bell? How about Spain beating back the Moors? Perhaps they had even heard of the Jews?? And she claims they meant freedom of religion just for Protestant Christians?? I guess that would cut the Catholics out?

The term "ungodly religion" is always a dead give-away of the narrow minded zealot. Thankfully the founding fathers were not as "enlightened" as she.

Julie
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