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mike r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 01:43 PM
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Texas warden was last voice heard by 140 inmates
http://www.newschannel10.com/Global/story.asp?S=13074670

Texas warden was last voice heard by 140 inmates
By MICHAEL GRACZYK, Associated Press

HUNTSVILLE, Texas – For about 140 people over the past six years, the soft Texas drawl of Charles Thomas O'Reilly was the last voice they heard before they died. O'Reilly — who retired Monday from the Texas Department of Criminal Justice Huntsville Unit, where he presided over more lethal injections than any other warden — leaves with no reservations, no nightmares. "I don't have any intentions of changing my mind, reflecting on how could I have ever done this stuff," he said of the execution duty, which began for him in September 2004 when he took over the more than century-and-a-half-old 1,700-inmate penitentiary in downtown Huntsville. "If you think it's a terrible thing, you shouldn't be doing it in the first place. You don't do 140 executions and then all of a sudden think this was a bad thing."

O'Reilly, who turns 60 Wednesday, retired after more than 33 years with the Texas prison agency. On his last day, he looked like a warden from a Hollywood casting call: burly, white-haired, jeans, a western-style belt with a star dominating his buckle, a black shirt. He didn't keep an exact tally of the number of inmates he stood over as they were strapped to the gurney and prepared for injection. The 140 inmates whose executions he estimated he oversaw account for about a third of the 463 put to death since Texas resumed carrying out of capital punishment in 1982. Some did leave an impression, although the only name that came immediately to mind for O'Reilly was Frances Newton, who in 2005 became the third woman executed in Texas in modern times. She was the only woman executed under O'Reilly's watch. "One guy, he cracked jokes, he cracked jokes through the whole thing," O'Reilly said. "I can't remember his name. But I remember things like that."

While O'Reilly recalls the professionalism everyone shows throughout the process, it's the last words of the inmate that tend to draw considerable attention. With witnesses assembled and looking through windows, the chaplain normally offering a comforting hand resting on the inmate's leg and the final OK from a prison department executive, O'Reilly, standing near the prone inmate's head, leaned over. "I ask them: Do you wish to make a statement?" he said. "I leave the words 'last' out, or 'final,' or anything like that. I think that's probably better than making a last statement, or final word. I just try to keep that out of it."

The condemned inmates arrive in Huntsville from death row, at a prison about 45 miles to the east, early in the afternoon on the day of an execution. The punishments generally occur just past 6 p.m. O'Reilly would meet with inmates when they arrived to explain what would happen. "What I want to do is talk to him and figure out his demeanor," he said... "I tell them I want to afford them all the dignity they allow us to. I tell them I'm going to come back at 6 o'clock and tell them: 'It's time.'" Few condemned inmates balked when the "time" arrived, O'Reilly said. "We've had some tell us: 'I'm not going to fight, but I'm not going to walk,'" he said. "We picked them up and carried them. Ninety-nine percent of them, they walked on their own." He told inmates they could say whatever they wanted in their last statement, but it must be in English — "That's all I understand," he said — and it can't be profane. If the obscenities start, so do the drugs...
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sharp_stick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 01:47 PM
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1. It would be interesting to witness
Edited on Tue Aug-31-10 01:50 PM by sharp_stick
Warden O'Reilly's last moments, would it be peaceful or tortured.. I wonder what someone who has killed so many, legally or otherwise, would think about as they expired.

He doesn't even remember how many people he killed, there's something seriously wrong with that I think.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 01:48 PM
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2. A legally sanctioned murderer
That's all he is.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 01:53 PM
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4. Agree, no better than the people he helped to kill.
The good news is that support for the death penalty in this country is going down. We are the only so-called civilized nation still practicing this archaic, brutal, revenge ceremonial and ought to be ashamed of it.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 06:49 PM
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17. Moral relativism on parade.
:eyes:
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 01:47 AM
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44. No, morality on display.
Edited on Wed Sep-01-10 01:47 AM by sabrina 1
Not nearly enough yet so I can understand why you wouldn't recognize it.

Maybe one day this country will drag itself out of the middle ages, but if we don't hurry, even Saudi Arabia may make it into the 21st Century before us. :eyes:
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 03:24 PM
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60. Opinions, opinions and opinions.
"middle ages"

Moral relativism and historical ignorance now.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 01:56 PM
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5. I don't agree. He was an employee doing a job society gave him.
We live in a violent society that glorifies killing, and that society hires people to do their dirty work.

Society is the killer. It's just his job to make sure our instructions are carried out properly.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 06:37 PM
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14. And yet, he never went insane
Knowing that he personally killed 100+ people.

You gotta wonder about a person who takes the killing of another human being calmly, not matter what the killer's history.
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SomeGuynTexas Donating Member (63 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 03:19 PM
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12. Wrong. He was: a legally sanctioned executioner.
Get your terms right.

States execute people. Murderers are convicted citizens who have had their day in court.

Let's get the titles right. Victim = Person the murderer murdered. Murderer = Person the executioner executes.

Period.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 06:40 PM
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15. SEMANTICS
We don't kill ANYONE in Canada. Haven't since the early 1960's

There's NO NEED for the state to KILL in order to secure justice.

Period.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 06:51 PM
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18. That's your opinion.
Not shared by everyone.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 06:53 PM
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23. Indeed, people will believe the most hideous things.
And, alas, it will probably always be that way.

Humanity's flawed.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 06:55 PM
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25. "Humanity's flawed."
I agree 100%

That's why some people deserve to die for their crimes.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 06:56 PM
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26. Somehow I derive the exact opposite conclusion from that.
I guess that means I'm a horrible person, like the Swedes.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 06:58 PM
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27. I've never met you really, so I don't know if you're a horrible person.
"Somehow I derive the exact opposite conclusion from that."

Fine by me.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 02:02 AM
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46. Well George Bush agrees with you.
Edited on Wed Sep-01-10 02:08 AM by sabrina 1
I remember an interview with Bill O'Reilly he gave when he was running for the WH. He asked Bush 'who are your heroes'? Bush replied 'Jesus is my hero'. O'Reilly then asked him how as a Christian who viewed Jesus as a hero he could support the death penalty.

O'Reilly: Who would say is your hero?

Bush: Jesus is my hero

O'Reilly: But how can you be a Christian and be for the death penalty?

Bush: Well, Bill, you have to kill them to stop the killing.


O'Reilly is against the death penalty, making him a better man than Bush, which isn't saying much, but he does have that one redeeming quality at least.

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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 11:41 AM
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53. Linking what I said to Bushie isn't that great of a tactic.
So?

What's your point?
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 02:59 PM
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57. It was a comment, not a tactic.
Interesting interpretation by you btw.

Your support for the death penalty, being that you are a progressive, seems out of place to me. And it reminded me of that conversation between O'Reilly and Bush in the fateful campaign that led to Bush's rise to power in 2000.

Almost every progressive I know was shocked by Bush's response. And even some of my more rational Republican family members and friends, although it did not stop them from voting for him, sadly.

It was a warning of what was to come should he make it to the WH. His record as Governor, his almost gleeful relish in signing death warrants, made him infamous in other civilized nations. So it was no surprise that he could order the slaughter of so many innocents in Iraq and lie to get 'legal' permission to do so.

He is still a murderer to a majority of the world's civilized population having fulfulled the world's worst fears as to what he was capable of.

I always think of that conversation when I see support for the death penalty.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 03:18 PM
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58. I do consider myself a progressive.
"Your support for the death penalty, being that you are a progressive, seems out of place to me."

I don't think supporting the DP makes you a conservative or whatever, I have examined the issue over the years and I still support it. It's not something that just popped into my head.

Some people deserve to die for their crimes, does that mean the DP should be used across the board? No but in some situations, it's the appropriate punishment. Simple as that.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 07:02 PM
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28. Indeed it is
Thank you for understanding.
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 06:46 PM
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16. Wrong. He helped murder Cameron Todd Willingham.


http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/09/07/090907fa_fact_grann

When you help kill an innocent man, you are a murderer.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 02:09 AM
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48. No shit. That case is particularly sickening to me, it makes
Edited on Wed Sep-01-10 02:11 AM by liberalhistorian
me physically ill that that is allowed to happen in this country under our "great, democratic" "justice" system. But then again, having once been in the legal field, I know all too well how there's often little "justice" in it and how it's set up against those who are wrongly convicted and those with little or just circumstantial evidence against them and how very easy it is to set people up. And how easy it is for the professionals to abuse the automatic trust placed in them to the detriment of the wrongly accused/convicted.

I strongly, firmly believe that Willingham was innocent, too much trust was placed in the so-called fire investigators who were relying on outdated methodology and theories. He even refused an offer to plead guilty for a life sentence. Anyone who could have thought him guilty has a fucking screw loose and is complicit in his murder.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 01:54 AM
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45. Murder is murder, period, no matter
who's doing it or why. Killing is killing. There are even anti-death-penalty groups formed and run by families of murder victims. One of their tag lines is "why do we kill people who kill people to show that killing people is wrong?" Indeed.

And "having your day in court"? Yes, and the justice system is sooo perfect and always right and never, ever makes a mistake and always corrects it if it does. Do I need the sarcasm icon now?

I hope this "man" doesn't profess to be a Christian, 'cause there's nothing "Christian" whatsoever about what he did. At all.
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IScreamSundays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 02:19 AM
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49. Not necessarily Paard-na
People that the state of Texas executes have been convicted of a capitol crime. That by no means indicates guilt. And if you are a person of color, it almost guarantees you are probably innocent.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 01:52 PM
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3. This man had best hope that Pascal was wrong..
I think there's an excellent chance that he has overseen the execution of at least one innocent person.

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EOTE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 03:28 PM
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13. I believe he oversaw the execution of Cameron Todd Willingham...
so I'd imagine the chances are more than excellent and damned near certain. But the deaths of those innocents aren't merely on O'Reilly's hands. They're on the hands of anyone who continues to support the death penalty.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 06:54 PM
Response to Reply #3
24. And juries release guilty people.
The human factor is a real bitch.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 07:46 PM
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34. which act is irreparable?
Do you really think that a jury not convicting a person is equivalent to a person wrongly put to death?

Seriously?

Half of one six a dozen of the other?
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 10:19 PM
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38. Both, potentially.
"Do you really think that a jury not convicting a person is equivalent to a person wrongly put to death?"

Like the DP itself, depends on the case.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 09:32 PM
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37. So you wouldn't mind if you or a loved one were wrongly executed..
As long as that ensured no guilty people were wrongly acquitted?

That's truly a selfless position to take..
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 10:21 PM
Response to Reply #37
39. I can't answer that question.
Just you can't answer about wanting someone executed who killed your loved ones.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 02:03 AM
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47. I can tell you right now unequivocally and without hesitation
that I would NOT want anyone who murdered a family member to then be murdered by the state. Period. It not only would not make me feel any "better" or make any difference, it would make me feel worse and would bring the same pain to another family. And it sure as shit wouldn't bring the family member back. I would gladly join one of the several anti-death-penalty groups run by families of murder victims.

I have also signed a legal document stating that should I be murdered, I do not want the murderer to receive the death penalty no matter what the circumstances were and I continue to stand by that.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 03:09 AM
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50. I can answer that easily. I would not want anyone killed
even if they killed someone I loved. And I can say that from experience fyi.

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lynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 01:57 PM
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6. And those 140 inmates were the last voices heard by their victims -
- Karma's a bitch.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 01:59 PM
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7. You don't know that for sure..
A considerable number of people have been exonerated while on death row.

Like any human construct our judicial system is a long way from perfection.

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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 06:52 PM
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21. Perfection is a myth.
No human system will ever be perfect.
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 07:25 PM
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32. Yet we keep trying to get there...
Yet we keep trying to get there rather than simply giving into "this is the best we can do." I imagine that's part and parcel of humanity's cultural evolution. Something that imparts to me (an imperfect) comfort.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 10:22 PM
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40. That's true as well.
Edited on Tue Aug-31-10 10:22 PM by proteus_lives
Questing for the impossible is part of the human condition.
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 07:52 PM
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35. Well, it always amazes me
Edited on Tue Aug-31-10 07:54 PM by Tsiyu
that human life is such a "ho-hum" matter to some here.

I assume they will be as magnanimous toward "the system" should they or their loved ones ever be facing the death penalty - yet are innocent of any crime.

I'm sure they won't fight the death penalty, but just give in so the system will work more smoothly and efficiently.


DU helps me see people so clearly...:)

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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 10:23 PM
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41. It amazes me too
How ho-hum about criminals some DUers are.
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 01:37 AM
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42. LOL


You are so cute!

You remind me of my ancient Uncle (bless his soul), the John Bircher.

"You whippersnappers are gettin' all teary-eyed about some innocent guy gettin' executed. Damn commies love them some criminals."

"But Uncle, he wasn't a criminal. He was a gardener with four kids who wasn't even in town when the murder happened."

"Well, he must have done something wrong. He deserved to die. Next thing you know, you damned pantywaists will just let all the criminals out of prison. That's what you really want, isn't it?"

"No. We just don't want four kids to be orphans because the state made a mistake."

"Aw, shuttup you crime-lovers."


Adorably bitter and dim-witted he was, but we had a lot of fun mocking his Archie Bunker ways...I'm sure your family enjoys the same sport.

have a nice evening....if you can with all those criminals out there....

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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 11:38 AM
Response to Reply #42
51. Yep, I've laughed plenty at you too.
So ignorant.

"Reaches over and scratches you behind the ear"

Don't worry, maybe you're understand what I'm talking about someday. When you grow-up.
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 02:41 PM
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56. yeah, I'm the ignorant one
Edited on Wed Sep-01-10 02:48 PM by Tsiyu

You don't mind if innocent people die and I'm the ignorant one....

BTW I'm probably older than you are, but I refuse to become an authoritarian asshole no matter how old I get.

Once a week, I have to read files of abused children, mistreated mentally ill adults, and about a system that basically works only for the wealthy.

Ignorant, immature types defend that system no matter what. It is heartbreaking rather than funny, actually.


But you authoritarian types never care who gets hurt as long as you yourself look all badass and tough, right? You are so bad, not caring if innocent people get hurt, I tell you I am just quaking in my flip flops....

On edit: And don't ever try to scratch me or touch me in any way. I don't want your disease...
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 03:23 PM
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59. LOL.
Calling me an authoritarian.

That's funny.

I'm probably one of the most anti-authoritarian people you'd ever meet but you don't seem the type to tolerate people who disagree your POV. It's ok, I know lots of people who are limited in that way.

You think it's about being "tough" :rofl: Like I said, it's still possible you'll understand someday.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 11:38 AM
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52. Ladies first.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 02:18 PM
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9. Maybe 75 to 80 percent of them were.
I don't believe the death penalty is that accurate, even. Cops are hired after psych evaluations which measure how easily their minds can be changed, and they aren't hired if they show any weakness there. The point is to find people who won't hesitate in an emergency, but a corollary is that they find people who can't admit when they are wrong.

Garry Graham, who was such a piece of shit I almost don't care that he was probably innocent of the murder he died for, was executed despite being on the opposite side of town getting a traffic ticket from a cop at the time of the murder. A witness standing about five feet from the murder said Graham was a foot too short at least to be the killer. There were two pieces of evidence implicating him in any way--a gun, and another witness. The gun was what made them consider him in the first place, because he was arrested for other crimes (including rape and attempted murder), and had the same type of gun as the one used in the murder. It was later proved conclusively that the gun wasn't the murder weapon, but despite the fact that this idiot had owned his gun for some time, they assumed he used a different gun for the robbery that resulted in the murder, and dumped it afterward, then retrieved his own gun. The other evidence was a witness who saw someone run thirty feet in front of her car's headlights after the shooting, couldn't identify him in a photo lineup, then picked him out of a physical lineup where he was the only person who was also in the photo lineup. The cops clearly just decided that he was a piece of shit (and he was), the other crime wouldn't be solved, so they'd close the file on his head. Which is an awful lot more like vigilante justice than a justice system.

Most cases come down to the opinions of jurors who are chosen because they have average to lower intelligence (prosecutors reject smart jurors, defenders reject them if they are too stupid). There is often no physical evidence, and only circumstantial evidence that could be interpreted more ways than one. Prosecutors and cops are caught withholding exculpatory evidence so often that it's safe to assume they do it all the time. Rarely does someone actually confess, and when they do it's just as likely that the confession was a lie to get a lesser sentence. I once told a cop friend of mine--a guy who worked with detectives sometimes--that I thought 20 to 25 % of the people in jail were there for crimes they didn't commit. He didn't even hesitate. He said "Yes, absolutely, but most them committed some crime they got away with first." That's the attitude we have behind our death penalty. It's okay to kill the wrong person as long as someone dies.

As for karma, I'm sure you're right. We are a very violent society that loves to kill people. Our pop movies are based on so many casual deaths that it becomes a joke to see how many ways we can kill them. You can witness a hundred murders in a good PG movie, although one love scene makes it for adults only. Karma is definitely in play. We love violence, we love war, we love the death penalty, we love human sacrifice... and we have the highest murder rate of any civilized nation. There's your karma.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 06:51 PM
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19. +1
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Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 11:44 AM
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54. +140
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Journeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 02:08 PM
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8. How does the Hangman sleep at night? . . .
"It must be easy for him. Anything is easy for a Hangman."


The Hangman at Home, by Carl Sandburg

WHAT does the hangman think about
When he goes home at night from work?
When he sits down with his wife and
Children for a cup of coffee and a
Plate of ham and eggs, do they ask
Him if it was a good day’s work
And everything went well or do they
Stay off some topics and talk about
The weather, base ball, politics
And the comic strips in the papers
And the movies? Do they look at his
Hands when he reaches for the coffee
Or the ham and eggs? If the little
Ones say, Daddy, play horse, here’s
A rope—does he answer like a joke:
I seen enough rope for today?
Or does his face light up like a
Bonfire of joy and does he say:
It’s a good and dandy world we live
In. And if a white face moon looks
In through a window where a baby girl
Sleeps and the moon gleams mix with
Baby ears and baby hair—the hangman—
How does he act then? It must be easy
For him. Anything is easy for a hangman,
I guess.
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 02:28 PM
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10. Mr O'Reilly isn't going to hell - neither are the inmates he fried
None of them are going to heaven either - neither are you me nor anybody else.

The fate of everyone is to become worm food.

Really doesn't matter what you did during your life.
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 07:28 PM
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33. I imagine many people hold to a dogmatic faith
I imagine many people hold to a dogmatic faith about the eventualities of the human condition. Some of them even go so far as to state it as an absolute... though until now, I thought most of them were wearing lavender tuxes asking for money on the Sunday morning church programming. :shrug:

I have few doubts that you also believe in your absolutism and dogma... regardless of whether you're wearing a lavender tux or not.
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 08:50 PM
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36. Just because I didn't preface my statement with the phrase "I believe"
doesn't mean that the statement is any more than my belief and not a profession of absolutism and dogma. I'm perfectly willing to consider other explanations, as long as they are't based on an anthroppocentric concept of a creator.

Nor is my belief inconsistent with the existence of a supreme being.

And I've never worn a lavender tux in my life. Never wore a tux at all except to get married in - twice, to the same woman both times. Never got divorced either. Don't ask me to explain that one.
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 02:39 PM
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11. "If the obscenities start, so do the drugs..."
I love a guy with a sense of decorum.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 06:52 PM
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20. Yes, because the ongoing happenings are SO not obscene.
:sarcasm:
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 06:53 PM
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22. Interesting article. Thanks for sharing.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 07:03 PM
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29. You know why I mow my grandmothers yard?
Because no one else will do it. He took a job most people would cringe away from and say HELL NO! What a life and I bet he does have nightmares, sometimes.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 07:06 PM
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30. He took a job all people should cringe away from and say HELL NO!
FTFY
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 07:21 PM
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31. No. I imagine you don't.
"You don't do 140 executions and then all of a sudden think this was a bad thing."

No... I imagine you don't. I've witnessed all manner of people justifying all manners of behaviors up to the day when nature finally pulls the switch on them.

Self-reflection, unlike justification is a struggle rather than a habit.
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 11:47 AM
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55. Yet the same compassionate DUers cheer when an old woman in a nursing home
is left lying to suffer on a tile floor.
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