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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-10 07:46 AM
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Franklin Graham is a disgrace with his comments on Obama
http://www.irishcentral.com/story/news/periscope/franklin-graham-is-a-disgrace-with-his-comments-on-obama-101201294.html

Posted on Friday, August 20, 2010 at 09:21 PM

The Rev. Franklin Graham has disgraced himself as surely as his father Billy did when the old man's anti-Semitism became clear.

Now Graham is proclaiming that Barack Obama is a Muslim because his father was born one.

As the Duke of Wellington used to say 'if a a man is born in a stable does that make him a horse?'

Given that Jesus was born in one according to the Gospels, I'd hardly say so.

Of course not, and Graham is just cozying up to the right wing nuts who have launched a major effort to portray Obama as somehow outside the mainstream in America.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-10 07:49 AM
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1. The problem is that his own people don't consider him a disgrace.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-10 08:23 AM
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6. +1
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CBGLuthier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-10 07:49 AM
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2. Franklin Graham is an evolved form of his father to fit modern times
Ugly and divisive. He will never command the respect or following that his father enjoyed (even if the elder Graham did not deserve it)
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-10 11:09 AM
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13. My Jewish mother used to cite Billy Graham as "a brilliant man..."
So as an adolescent, when one of his crusades was broadcast, I listened attentively. It was an hour of the most lunatic drivel I can ever recall. My impression was that he was insane.

I guess it was my WWII vet mother's gesture at tolerance, respecting Graham. But as you say, he did not deserve it. A snake oil peddler.

--imm

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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-10 08:00 AM
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3. Hateful fundy freaks are a disgrace to humanity.
Stealing from the poor and gullible, they will burn in hell, if there is such a place.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-10 08:11 AM
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4. "Please call 1-800-give-us-your-money." - Fundalistics (R)
Edited on Thu Aug-26-10 08:11 AM by SpiralHawk
"The more you give (smirk), the more we will have (smirk)."

Fundalistics (R)
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wookie72 Donating Member (675 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-10 08:31 AM
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7. Jimmy could really wail
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H02QxWFRIOw&feature=related

I knew people who used to watch his show just for the music.
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leftyladyfrommo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-10 09:26 AM
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8. Isn't he the cousin of Jerry Lee Louis?
Lots of music in that family.

I used to catch Swaggert once in a while. He was so wierd. Tried to sound like this super intellectual and the whole time he was saying the stupidist things.

And boy can he cry on command.

Strange dude.
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wookie72 Donating Member (675 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-10 09:54 AM
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10. Yep. Alec Baldwin played Jimmy in the Dennis Quaid movie
They're Pentecostals, famous for speaking in tongues, etc. A lot of emotion in there.

Harold Bloom made some interesting observations about the Pentecostal in his book American Religion. He argues they're essentially a kind of Gnosticism.
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bherrera Donating Member (600 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-10 08:13 AM
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5. This is a serious problem America has
These politician religious leaders are serious problem. They advocate hate against Muslims, and they are militarists. A mix of religion with xenophobia, and militarism are a very poisonous mix. I have read articles by experts which claim it is this mix of protestant xenophobes, militarists, and the pro-israel lobby, which pushed the USA to invade Iraq and Afghanistan.
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hughee99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-10 09:28 AM
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9. Come on, Franklin Graham was a disgrace long before these comments. n/t
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-10 10:09 AM
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11. K&R #8 n/t
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-10 10:52 AM
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12. Franklin Graham is an ugly fool- he isn't
half the man that his father is. (and I'm no worshiper of Billy)

The fact that Pres.Obama didn't invite Franklin to preach at a prayer breakfast really ticked Graham off. This is an interesting link which shows Franklin's attitude-

http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2010-05-05-graham05_ST_N.htm

FWIW Billy Graham has angered the 'right wing religious zealots' many times. His support of Bill and Hillary, Zell Miller, and his public statement to Rev.Schuller (below) which was taken by many fundamentalists to say "Jesus isn't the only way to God".

:shrug:


SCHULLER - What do you think is the future of Christianity?


GRAHAM - I don't think we are going to see a great sweeping revival that will turn the whole world to Christianity at any time. I think James answered that at the first council at Jerusalem when he said that God's purpose for this age is to call out a people for his name (Acts 15:14). And that is what God is doing today. He is calling people out of the world for his name, whether they come from the Muslim world or the Buddhist world or the Christian or non-believing world, they are members of the body of Christ because they have been called by God.


They may not even know the name of Jesus but they know in their heart that they need something that they don't have and they turn to the only light that they have and I think they are saved and that they are going to be with us in heaven.


SCHULLER - What I hear you saying is that it is possible for Jesus Christ to come into the heart, the soul, the life of someone even though they have been born in darkness and never had exposure to the Bible. Is that a correct interpretation of what you are saying?


GRAHAM - Yes it is, because I believe that. I've met people in various parts of the world and in travel situations who have never seen a Bible or heard about the Bible or of Jesus Christ -- but believe in their heart that there is a God and they try to live a life separate from those around them.


SCHULLER - You don't know how thrilled I am to hear you say that. There is a wideness in God's mercy.


GRAHAM - There is.

(From Schuller's "Hour of Power," program # 1426, entitled "Say 'Yes' to Possibility Thinking," May 31, 1997.).

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