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Edited on Wed May-16-07 10:39 AM by Blackhatjack
Having availed myself of the link above to the transcript at thinkprogress.com, I have pulled what I consider the real 'nuggets' from that transcript, and have included my questions and comments in << >> below.
These excerpts answer some of the questions I raised in the OP.
"COMEY: we communicated to the relevant parties at the White House and elsewhere our decision that as acting attorney general I would not certify the program as to its legality and explained our reasoning in detail, which I will not go into here. Nor am I confirming it’s any particular program. That was Tuesday that we communicated that. The next day was Wednesday, March the 10th, the night of the hospital incident."
<<So the White House knew Comey would never sign off and the reasons why he would not sign off BEFORE the hospital visit>>
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"And Mrs. Ashcroft reported that a call had come through, and that as a result of that call Mr. Card and Mr. Gonzales were on their way to the hospital to see Mr. Ashcroft. SCHUMER: Do you have any idea who that call was from? COMEY: I have some recollection that the call was from the president himself, but I don’t know that for sure. It came from the White House. And it came through and the call was taken in the hospital."
<<And Comey believes the call came from the President himself, but definitely from the White House. So now we have confirmation that Bush knew exactly what Gonzales and Card were attempting.>>
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"And Attorney General Ashcroft then stunned me. He lifted his head off the pillow and in very strong terms expressed his view of the matter, rich in both substance and fact, which stunned me — drawn from the hour-long meeting we’d had a week earlier — and in very strong terms expressed himself, and then laid his head back down on the pillow, seemed spent, and said to them, But that doesn’t matter, because I’m not the attorney general. SCHUMER: But he expressed his reluctance or he would not sign the statement that they — give the authorization that they had asked, is that right? COMEY: Yes. And as he laid back down, he said, But that doesn’t matter, because I’m not the attorney general. There is the attorney general, and he pointed to me, and I was just to his left. The two men did not acknowledge me. They turned and walked from the room. And within just a few moments after that, Director Mueller arrived. I told him quickly what had happened. He had a brief — a memorable brief exchange with the attorney general and then we went outside in the hallway."
<<Gonzales and Card do not acknowledge Comey because they already know Comey's position and that they have been caught trying to undercut him. And Mueller arrives inside the hospital room, and this must be an understatement: "He(Mueller) had a brief--a memorable brief exchange with the attorney general(Ashcroft).>>
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"And he said it was Mr. Card wanting to speak to me. I took the call. And Mr. Card was very upset and demanded that I come to the White House immediately. I responded that, after the conduct I had just witnessed, I would not meet with him without a witness present. He replied, What conduct? We were just there to wish him well. And I said again, After what I just witnessed, I will not meet with you without a witness. And I intend that witness to be the solicitor general of the United States. SCHUMER: That would be Mr. Olson. COMEY: Yes, sir. Ted Olson. Until I can connect with Mr. Olson, I’m not going to meet with you. He asked whether I was refusing to come to the White House. I said, No, sir, I’m not. I’ll be there. I need to go back to the Department of Justice first. And then I reached out through the command center for Mr. Olson, who was at a dinner party. And Mr. Olson and the other leadership of the Department of Justice immediately went to the department, where we sat down together in a conference room and talked about what we were going to do. And about 11 o’clock that night — this evening had started at about 8 o’clock, when I was on my way home. At 11 o’clock that night, Mr. Olson and I went to the White House together."
<<Comey pulls Olson from a dinner party and with the other leadership of the DOJ they go to the department conference room and talk about what they are going to do. Put this together with Card's change in demeanor at the White House, and it sounds like they all agreed to resign in protest if the President went forward with this program as presented. And to leave at 11:00 pm for a meeting at the White House makes this sound ominous since both Comey and Mueller would be appearing at the White House early the next morning, less than 8 hrs later, to conduct the regular morning meeting. One could infer that Card and the President realized that massive resignations had to be averted that night and could not wait until the morning.>>
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"SCHUMER: Can you tell us a little bit about the discussion at the Justice Department when all of you convened? I guess it was that night. COMEY: I don’t think it’s appropriate for me to go into the substance of it. We discussed what to do. I recall the associate attorney general being there, the solicitor general, the assistant attorney general in charge of the Office of Legal Counsel, senior staff from the attorney general, senior staff of mine. And we just — I don’t want to reveal the substances of those…"
<<LOOK AT THIS LINEUP OF TOP DOJ NAMES: This indicates the breadth and importance of what was being discussed>>
"SCHUMER: I don’t want you to reveal the substance. They all thought what you did — what you were doing was the right thing, I presume. COMEY: I presume. I didn’t ask people. But I felt like we were a team, we all understood what was going on, and we were trying to do what was best for the country and the Department of Justice. But it was a very hard night."
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"SCHUMER: Right. OK. Was there any discussion of resignations with Mr. Card? COMEY: Mr. Card was concerned that he had heard reports that there were to be a large number of resignations at the Department of Justice. SCHUMER: OK. OK. And the conversations, the issue, whatever it was, was not resolved. COMEY: Correct. We communicated about it. I communicated again the Department of Justice’s view on the matter. And that was it. SCHUMER: Right. And you stated that the next day, Thursday, was the deadline for reauthorization of the program, is that right? COMEY: Yes, sir. SCHUMER: OK. Can you tell us what happened the next day? COMEY: The program was reauthorized without us and without a signature from the Department of Justice attesting as to its legality. And I prepared a letter of resignation, intending to resign the next day, Friday, March the 12th."
<<Kind of says it all --Bush went forward without the DOJ signoff, and Comey prepared a letter of resignation. Bush cannot say he was uninformed as to the illegality of the step he was taking>>
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"SCHUMER: OK. And why did you decide to resign? COMEY: I just believed… SCHUMER: Or to offer your resignation, is a better way to put it? COMEY: I believed that I couldn’t — I couldn’t stay, if the administration was going to engage in conduct that the Department of Justice had said had no legal basis. I just simply couldn’t stay. SCHUMER: Right. OK. Now, let me just ask you this. And this obviously is all troubling. As I understand it, you believed that others were also prepared to resign, not just you, is that correct? COMEY: Yes. SCHUMER: OK. Was one of those Director Mueller? COMEY: I believe so. You’d have to ask him, but I believe so. SCHUMER: You had conversations with him about it. COMEY: Yes. SCHUMER: OK. How about the associate attorney general, Robert McCallum? COMEY: I don’t know. We didn’t discuss it. SCHUMER: How about your chief of staff? COMEY: Yes. He was certainly going to go when I went. SCHUMER: Right. How about Mr. Ashcroft’s chief of staff? COMEY: My understanding was that he would go as well. SCHUMER: And how… COMEY: I should say… SCHUMER: Please. COMEY: … to make sure I’m accurate, I… SCHUMER: This is your surmise, not… COMEY: Yes. I ended up agreeing — Mr. Ashcroft’s chief of staff asked me something that meant a great deal to him, and that is that I not resign until Mr. Ashcroft was well enough to resign with me. He was very concerned that Mr. Ashcroft was not well enough to understand fully what was going on. And he begged me to wait until — this was Thursday that I was making this decision — to wait til Monday to give him the weekend to get oriented enough so that I wouldn’t leave him behind, was his concern. SCHUMER: And it was his view that Mr. Ashcroft was likely to resign as well? COMEY: Yes. SCHUMER: So what did you do when you heard that? COMEY: I agreed to wait. I said that what I would do is — that Friday would be last day. And Monday morning I would resign."
<<Holy Cow! Threatening to resign --Comey, Mueller, Assoc AG McCallum, Comey's COS, Ashcroft's COS, and ASHCROFT HIMSELF. Who would be left at DOJ to carry on? It would have been a massive abandonment of the DOJ on the grounds that the President was acting unlawfully. Bigger than the 'Saturday Night Massacre' during the Nixon Watergate Investigation when AG Eliot Richardson and his assistant refused to fire the Special Prosecutor Archibald Cox as directed by Nixon, and Bork eventually stepped in and fired him.>>
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"SCHUMER: Thank you. Now, let’s go to the next day, which was March 12. Can you tell us what happened then? COMEY: I went to the Oval Office — as I did every morning as acting attorney general — with Director Mueller to brief the president and the vice president on what was going on on Justice Department’s counterterrorism work. We had the briefing. And as I was leaving, the president asked to speak to me, took me in his study and we had a one-on-one meeting for about 15 minutes — again, which I will not go into the substance of. It was a very full exchange. And at the end of that meeting, at my urging, he met with Director Mueller, who was waiting for me downstairs."
<<A 'very full exchange' during a 'one-on-one meeting for about 15 minutes' with Bush in his study? This speaks volumes about the seriousness of the situation. And it obviously was not resolved since Comey urged Bush to speak with Mueller downstairs. I would imagine that Comey told Bush he was resigning shortly and that Mueller would follow, and Bush should ask Mueller himself to confirm that.>>
"He met with Director Mueller again privately, just the two of them. And then after those two sessions, we had his direction to do the right thing, to do what we… SCHUMER: Had the president’s direction to do the right thing? COMEY: Right. We had the president’s direction to do what we believed, what the Justice Department believed was necessary to put this matter on a footing where we could certify to its legality. And so we then set out to do that. And we did that."
<<In questioning by Arlene Specter, Comey confirms that Bush's direction to 'do the right thing' came through Mueller to him.>>
---Many thanks to the ThinkProgress transcript link above. The actual words are even more incriminating.
One additional question: Why did Comey and Mueller and the others not resign the next day UNLESS they were falsely led to believe that the domestic spying program would be changed to make it legal BEFORE it was to be implemented on March 11, the next day? And we now know that Bush went forward for at least 2-3 weeks without DOJ recommended changes or approval. Sounds like there might have been some promises made by Bush designed to head off the resignations which Bush had no intention of keeping.]
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