Selfish GOP Bastard: Stay in Iraq for Cheap Gas

[blitzen]

this guy is a real deep-thinking braniac...not to mention that he'll sacrifice his son to save a few bucks at the gas pump...I am a bit surprised that he didn't say "a democrat government in Iraq"


http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/opinions/articles/0516wedlets161.html

Pulling out of Iraq would hit us in wallet
May. 16, 2007 12:00 AM

Withdrawing from Iraq is a bad idea.

I have a son serving in Iraq, and no one wants to see him out of harm's way faster than me.

Unfortunately, the general public doesn't realize the consequences of up and leaving. Besides failing to accomplish our intended goal, a democratic government in Iraq, we're going to wind up with the mother of all terrorist states looking for some payback.

Before the end of this decade, we'll see an Islamic fundamentalist faction in control of Iraq, supported by Iran, threatening Saudi Arabia. Then ask where your gas is going to come from. You'll think $4 a gallon is cheap! - Mike Simpson,Scottsdale

[Kelly Rupert]

1. He has a bit of a valid point there.

If we pull out of Iraq, then the absolute best case scenario is that the Shi'a quickly win the civil war, and from an Iran-allied government. Sunni Arabs are rather paranoid about Iran's growing influence. Our pulling out of Iraq would certainly destabilize the region.

Moreover, our economy depends on foreign oil. If there were to be a pan-ME war, we would have a severe energy shock.

The problem is, there is absolutely no reason to think that staying will help matters. Iraq's ethnic makeup isn't going to change overnight, and ethnic hatred isn't going to cool off just because we shipped an extra 10,000 soldiers to Baghdad.

[blitzen]

2. the part about gas prices may be true, but it is not a valid reason for

continuing to occupy Iraq and kill more Iraqis.

Arguably, the Iran-Saudi part may be valid--although I'm not one of those who buys the BS about a "terrorist state" aiming to kill Americans. But even if that were so, you're right--staying will not help matters.

[Kelly Rupert]

3. People who talk about a "terrorist state" threatening Americans

are laughably naive. It's as if the entire Muslim world thinks of nothing but America all day. I mean, it's not like they have their own politics and concerns and hatreds and alliances and cultures over there or anything.

[wtmusic]

5. You are something else

Our economy depends on foreign oil, so that gives us the right to take it away from other countries? Might makes right?

Not only do we need a severe energy shock, but more importantly, we have no right to be there. Let that concept roll around in your mind a little.

And just when I thought brazen imperialism was extinct!

[Kelly Rupert]

15. Did I ever claim we had the right to take it?

No, I didn't. I claimed that our oil supply would be threatened by Iran-Saudi tension. I did not claim we had any right to intervene. You would do well to read what I have written, instead of what you wish I have written.

[wtmusic]

19. Yes, You Did.

OP -- "Stay in Iraq for Cheap Gas"

You -- "He has a bit of a point there"

You, in support of your subject line -- "Moreover, our economy depends on foreign oil. If there were to be a pan-ME war, we would have a severe energy shock."

Careful, your ethnocentrism is showing.

[Vexatious Ape]

9. I don't think the Saudi's, or for that matter the rest of the

Sunni Muslim world--80%-- will stand by and watch the Shiites slaughter there co-religionists in Iraq. It's gonna get ugly over there.

[Toots]

17. Moreover, our economy depends on foreign oil

So let's change that scenario. I think if we spent just half the money we are currently throwing away in Iraq on Alternative energy we could indeed be free from foreign oil dependence. Once we do that we can withdraw from the region and the hatred will subside. It will only increase as long as we depend upon their oil and are there in force to take it.

[LittleClarkie]

4. If staying in Iraq means cheap gas

then why ain't it cheap yet?

[ribrepin]

7. Love it....You get right to the bottom line

Why ain't it cheap yet?

[wtmusic]

8. It is cheap, just not for you.

For Chevron, Exxon-Mobil, etc etc it's a real...steal.

[JVS]

6. That's why one guy i know said we should go in

didn't really work out that way

[Amonester]

10. Has this *poor* brainwashed (by M$M, surely, and by *Co's catapult)

realized the fact that Iran is already the third biggest oil-exporting country in the world?

Has he realized Iran hasn't invaded any country (as opposed to who we know...)?

Has he realized Iran would be a very bad place to be if it suddenly started to illegally invade just one neighboring country, and that, maybe, that's the reason why the Iranian government (and I say 'government' on purpose, and not some unsignificant militia...) has no intention of invading any?

Poor brainwashed seems to be soooooo scared...

Watta pity.

[KillCapitalism]

11. Cheap gas...where?!?!

I'd like to know where to get some of this cheap gas other than building a time-machine and going back to 1999.

[Amonester]

13. Venezuela is at 0.12...

http://money.cnn.com/pf/features/lists/global_gasprices/

Those damn communistas! :sarcasm:

[ComerPerro]

12. Makes sense. After all, the price of gas went way down once we invaded Iraq, right?

Oh, wait, no. It doubled. Hmm...

[Jamastiene]

14. But... we've BEEN in Iraq forever now and

gas is NOT CHEAP.

[ThomWV]

16. If We Left Iraq The Price Of Oil Would Go Down

Our presense in Iraq is keeping its oil off the market.

Make no mistake about it, no matter who ends up running that country its oil is going to get to market. It doesn't matter who it is, they will sell that oil as fast as they can get it out of the ground. Well, that's not exactly true. If the US controls that oil it will be in the hands of our own oil companies and they have no reason what so ever to be in any hurry to pump that oil. You see all they have to do is restrict production from the wells to match their own already-reduced refining capacity and they can keep the market dry and the price up indefinitly.

We get out and the price goes down, we stay and the price remains high and probably goes higher.

[dogday]

18. I would walk the rest of my life

to keep my Son from going back over there...

[Norquist Nemesis]

20. Sure...it's been such a rousing success so far!

:sarcasm:

[bullwinkle428]

21. Ignorant GOP MFer doesn't realize that we wouldn't have to import

a DROP of oil if our vehicles met the same fuel economy standards as those sold in Germany do! It's certainly not like everyone in Germany drives Smart Cars either; plenty of people enjoy taking advantage of the Autobahns!

[rasputin1952]

22. It is a good thing that cars don't run on blood...this guy

would be squeezing the last drop out of a sacrificed child so he could get another 10 miles...:(

Near sighted people like this drive me nuts, what's he gonna do when all of the oil is gone anyway?

It seems as though it is raining assholes and there aren't enough umbrellas to go around...:(

[gratuitous]

23. Even their lousy excuses are lousy

Not occupying Iraq: Gas at $1.50/gallon.

Occupying Iraq: Gas at $3.50/gallon.

Dimwit logic: Getting out of Iraq will make gas go even higher!

And the only solution is to cluster more and fuck harder, even at the price of his own son. Otherwise the libruls might "win," and that would be even worse.