I'm not even a Christian, and I'm offended.

[Redstone]

I'm offended that someone would spew venomous messages of hatred and intolerance (in direct contradiction to Christ's teachings of love and tolerance), and profit mightily by doing so.

I'm offended that so many misguided, ignorant Americans are so misguided and ignorant that they really THINK that Christ's message was "Hate the fags. Keep the niggers down. Beat the single mothers senseless, as if their lives aren't hard enough already. And while we're at it, let's demonize everyone who calls God Allah."

I guess that Falwell's followers have never actually READ the Bible, have they? Because if they had, they'd have found that Christ taught four precepts: Faith, love, tolerance, and charity.

NOT hate.

Although the Big Guy did have a bit of a temper, and woe betide any who tested his limits: Remember the money changers in the Temple?

Did His hand maybe reach into a hardened heart today, and give it a little squeeze? If so, be on notice, Pat Robertson and Fred Phelps, and all you others who deliver messages of hatred in the name of Christ: He just MIGHT be back, and He might not be happy with you and the hatred you've tried to spread in His name.

I'm going to bed now; discuss at will, and I'll be very interested in reading your comments when I get up tomorrow.

Redstone

[merh]

1. Judge not, lest ye be judged

nothing else comes to mind

[1620rock]

2. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

[RevCheesehead]

6. Love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you.

:hi:

:hug::loveya:

[Dark]

8. Whatsoever you do unto the least of my brothers, that you do unto me. eom

[MadMaddie]

3. Umm..Not looking to good for Falwell if he meets the Almighty....

Thou shall have no other gods before me (Money and Power)FAILED

Thou shall not make for yourself an idol (Falwells ego and his school)FAILED
Thou shall not make wrongful use of the name of your God (used Gods name to ridicule and wish death upon Gays, Women, Liberals, 9/11 victims, the end of segregation etc) Failed

Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy (Mixed Politics with Religion) FAILED

Honor your parents (Unknown)

Thou shall not murder (I think wishing murder on various groups of people may fall into this commandment FAILED

Thou shall not commit adultery (Unknown)

Thou shall not steal (Whooo...this is a big one stealing from the poor to enrich himself) FAILED

Thou shall not bear false witness (He lied every day of his life) FAILED

You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's -
(By stealing the poors money-he took food from their tables and promised them hope) FAILED

Just sayin...

[Redstone]

4. Just sayin...that is an excellent post. You framed the debate perfectly.

Redstone

[Marr]

5. All I can say is, Falwell is very fortunate that the god he exploited for so long

doesn't actually exist. If there were a hell, he'd be in it.

[MADem]

7. I have a copy of the Duty Roster at the Pearly Gates

The watchbill for today says that Malcolm X, Rock Hudson, and Ingrid Bergman have the duty.

Wonder which one of them told the baastid to step over to the elevator and push the button that says 'sub basement?'

[Redstone]

9. Now. THAT's funny. Thank you.

Redstone

[BlackVelvet04]

10. I live within 40 miles of Liberty University....

and the local news stories on Falwell's death are obnoxious. I am a Christian and Falwell offended me and quite frankly embarrassed me.

I quit going to church when the church got involved in politics. The church was given a very simple message of love one another, help the sick, the poor and the widowed and preach the good news....the good news being GRACE. I have long advocated revoking the tax free status of religious organizations since they have abandoned the message and commission and become engaged in empire building, millionaire making and politics.

I won't applaud Falwell's death or dance on his grave but I can't say I will miss his message and influence in the area, but I'm sure his son will take it up and it will continue. All his death has accomplished is to substitute the son for his dad.

[Redstone]

11. "Grace," that's the word I was looking for.

Redstone

[BlooInBloo]

12. "Although the Big Guy did have a bit of a temper" BWAHAHAHA!!!!!

That's soooome deceitful apologetic there! Kudos! (clapclapclap)

rofl! Yah - like genocide is "a bit of a temper" - ROFLMAO!!!!

[Redstone]

14. Uh, no, not being deceitful, much as you might like for it to be so.

Sorry to disappoint you.

You've made it very clear that you don't like me (and that's OK with me), but it's no excuse to attempt to put words in my mouth. Is it?

A pretty weak effort. I'll expect better from you next time around.

Redstone

[BlooInBloo]

18. I don't like you? Have we even spoken before? lol!

[Redstone]

23. I believe we have, and our conversations consisted of of attacks on me, no matter my

possition on no matter the subject. And if you've forgotten that, you have an even worse memory than I have, and my memory is legendarily bad.

I am at peace with the fact that if you respond to one of my posts, it will be with hostility, no matter the subject or content of my post. As your responses have always been. Some things just ARE, and try as we might to change them, it would be wasted effort.

So be it.

Redstone

[BlooInBloo]

25. (shrug) If you say so.

[Redstone]

27. I do say so. Because it's the truth. And you know it, whether you'll admit it or not.

Redstone

[BlooInBloo]

29. You're all just internet-people to me... I don't pay much attention to who-says-what.

[Redstone]

31. So if you don't care, why are you here?

Redstone

[Skittles]

21. don't feed the trolls, Redstone

stick their sorry ass on IGNORE

[Redstone]

24. See #23. I am indeed the Zen Master. Thanks for your advice anyway; you're a good friend.

And never forget that. If you've been this good a friend to ME, how have you helped others? I can only imagine.

You're one of the good ones.

Redstone

[Redstone]

32. You've ROFLD, and Bwaha'd. You got anything else?

No, you don't, as I expected.

Redstone.

[EFerrari]

13. This is interesting, Redstone. I just took in a BookTV segment

where the author pointed out that these nutcases DON'T read the Bible. Instead, they have a "relationship" with Jesus.

So, no, they don't know what's in the Bible. They can't name the first book and have no idea what Jesus said as it is recorded and can't even identify that his parables are in the New Testament. They can't name more than one of the gospels. In other words, that whole Bible thing isn't happening except as a "belief".

:wow:

[Redstone]

15. Now that is something that explains the popularity of people like Falwell, indeed.

Typical Americanism, yes? Only look at the superficial surface of a subject, just sit there and let someone else TELL you what to think, because that is so much easier than READING A BOOK and forming your own opinion.

Isn't it? It's just the American Way.

Redstone

[JuniperLea]

16. So happy to know that so many literary greats offend the concern trolls...

"I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it."
Mark Twain

"His mother should have thrown him away and kept the stork."
Mae West

"Some cause happiness wherever they go; others whenever they go."
Oscar Wilde

"I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure."
Clarence Darrow


Edited to say... literary greats... well, except for Mae... I just love her, that's all.

[otherlander]

17. What?

Mark Twain?
Has what to do with dead old homophobe?

[JuniperLea]

19. A great man of literature...

Someone who is revered in the great literary field.

Get with the program... why the straw grasping here?

[otherlander]

22. He said he was offended by FALWELL.

And by Falwell's followers, because they took Jesus's message of love and forgivness and turned it into a message of hate.

[Redstone]

26. You didn't get Juniperx's point, did you?

Re-read the post, please.

Redstone

[bpeale]

20. I don't believe in god at all

and I've been offended by that dirty bastid for 30 years.

[Redstone]

28. Agreed. As I said, you don't have to be a Christian to be offended by the way that SOB

lived and spewed his venom upon all and sundry who did not conform to his "vision."

Thanks for the support from your athiest viewpoint. As an Agnostic, I appriciate thoughtful commentary from all sides.

Redstone

[Swamp Rat]

30. I'm glad we are discussing Falwell

His death is a great opportunity to refresh everyone's memories about this "man." ;)

[JerseygirlCT]

33. Well, I do think there's redemption and salvation for everyone

But I'd say he's got a great deal of hatred he'll need to part with in order to do that. And I do wonder if he would be able to let that go.