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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 08:02 AM
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Obama threatens Iran. Warmongering we can believe in!
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2010/aug2010/pers-a06.shtml

Obama threatens Iran
6 August 2010

At a White House briefing Wednesday, President Obama personally joined the growing chorus of war threats against Iran coming from Washington and its allies.

Recent threats include remarks from US Defense Secretary Gates, who argued against “another war in the Middle East” in 2008, but stated last month that the US does “not accept the idea of Iran having nuclear weapons.” Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak said it was “still time for sanctions,” but that “at a certain point, we should realize that sanctions cannot work.”

It was against this backdrop that the White House called in selected journalists for a press briefing on Iran. They reportedly discovered only after arriving that the “briefer” at this apparently routine event was none other than the president himself.

Obama’s purpose was to deliver a blunt warning to the Iranian government: it could either surrender to US demands that it abandon its nuclear program, or face US attack.

Obama said that Iranian officials “should know what they can say ‘yes’ to.” If “national pride” drove Iran to develop nuclear weapons, Obama continued, “they will bear the costs of that.” He said “all options” were open, in order to “prevent a nuclear arms race in the region and to prevent a nuclear-armed Iran.”

Fearing that certain journalists had misunderstood Obama’s empty phrases about diplomacy as indicating plans for new negotiations with Iran, senior White House officials later spoke to one of the reporters there, well-known pro-war journalist, Robert Kagan, to set the record straight.

In a Washington Post column, Kagan criticized journalists who asked US officials about diplomacy with Iran: “This put the officials in an awkward position: they didn’t want to say flat out that the administration was not pursuing a new diplomatic initiative, because this might suggest that the administration was not interested in diplomacy at all.”

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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 08:05 AM
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1. ...from a non-credible source we can't believe in!
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 08:40 AM
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2. Is there something inaccurate in the article? Please specify. Thanks.
nt
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 01:12 PM
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3. Kick so article can be debunked.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 01:19 PM
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5. bullshit. the source is quite credible.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 01:23 PM
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7. They are not a very credible source...
Edited on Fri Aug-06-10 01:23 PM by cynatnite
They reported that Blankenship of Massey Energy would not allow the miners to go to the funerals of their friends who had died. No other outlet has ever reported such a story. Not only that, there was articles showing employees going to these funerals.

The reason why I remember this is because I was the one who posted the article making this claim here at DU. It was debunked by fellow DUer's.
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 01:44 PM
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10. Are you sure that story was debunked?
I don't remember seeing anything debunking it. The reporter stood by his story and I don't know of any report that demonstrated what he reported was untrue. That Massey backed off its threats is not surprising given the public relations disaster it would have created for itself. It hardly means the original report wasn't accurate. It's interesting that the corporate media can make any number of questionable reports and remain acceptable in polite and impolite discourse. People wanting to discredit the WSWS simply scream "Massey!" and that apparently makes that source verboten for all eternity. Did Judith Miller make the NYT a source that has no credibility at all forever? Did the reporters who worked for the CIA make the all the corporate media a source that has no credibility at all forever? Apparently not. Their work is cited here as gospel truth every day.

If someone really wanted to discredit the WSWS regarding this article, they'd simply show where statements contained within the article aren't true. Not surprisingly, while many claim the article isn't credible, no one seems, yet anyway, to have gotten around to actually listing examples of inaccuracy.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2010/apr2010/mass-a21.shtml

WSWS verifies Massey’s threat to fire miners who took off work to attend funerals
By Samuel Davidson
21 April 2010

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On the part of miners and their families, there seems to be no question about the truth of the WSWS report. Those we spoke to—who did not want to be identified, for fear of victimization—confirmed that Massey would not allow miners at its other mines time off to attend the funerals. Surviving miners from the Upper Big Branch (UBB) mine have been assigned to work in some of Massey’s other operations in the area.

One young Massey miner, who initially worked at the UBB mine, but currently works at another company operation, explained to the WSWS that the miners had first been told that Massey would allow them to have the day off to attend funerals, but then were told they wouldn’t be given the time. “I knew a lot of men that worked in that mine. I knew a lot of those who were killed. They were the people that taught me how to be a coal miner.

“I wanted to go to one of their funerals. At first Massey said that we could go, but then they said that we couldn’t. They told us ‘we’ve got to run coal today.’”

Another unemployed miner confirmed that his neighbor, a Massey miner whose uncle was killed in the explosion, was told that he would be fired if he took off to go to the funeral. “This is no surprise to me,” he said. “This is how Massey treats its miners.” Every day, he said, a miner is told to do things that the company knows is not safe, or ‘Get your bucket and get out.’”

Another reader who has lived in the area for years, wrote “This decision of Massey to NOT let miners take time off is a really big deal around here.”

One reason why the WSWS reported Massey’s policy on time off for the funerals, and other media outlets did not, is because our reporters actually spoke to miners and communicated what they had to say. Moreover, as opposed to the establishment media, we report the truth. (For a contrast, read the Charleston Daily Mail’s sycophantic interview with Massey CEO Don Blankenship, which essentially offers him a platform to boast about the company’s generosity toward the dead miners’ families.)

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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 01:52 PM
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12. Here is the thread I posted...
There was a lot of outrage. I know I was. DUer's posted links that a day of mourning was announced by the governor and I know there was at least one article about one of the funerals.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=8151990

I'll never use this site as a source again.
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 04:31 PM
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18. I don't see any debunking. Lots of mewling & puking, but
I don't see anything that demonstrated what the WSWS reported was false.
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 01:26 PM
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8. No it's not.
As has been http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3631195&mesg_id=3632343">noted in the past, wsws is hardly a reliable source for constructive criticism where Dems are concerned.
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 04:15 PM
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16. So, that's you proof that WSWS is not a reliable source? Some mod's opinion? Please
go find proof that this is not a credible source. Linking to a mod locking a post is not proof.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 04:09 PM
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13. This source is every bit as credible as "whitehouse.gov"
In fact, more so.
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 04:12 PM
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14. Kicking. Still waiting for this report and this source to be show to be non-credible. n/t
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 01:16 PM
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4. The Dems and Repubs have had the same position on Iran for some time now...
Besides, I don't want a country that kills gays and stones women to have nuclear weapons.
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Political Tiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 01:22 PM
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6. Well, if the World Socialist Web Site says so it must be true!
The fact that the WSWS opinion piece contains no facts at all shouldn't matter.......
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 01:27 PM
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9. This appears to be an Op-Ed piece...
With no corroborating links, from a site we've seen fib mightily in the past. I'll pass on the outrage.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 01:52 PM
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11. bullshit from the usual crowd. details of obama's "surprise" press briefing on iran
fully confirmed in the msm.

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp&q=obama+press+briefing+iran&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=CFCCoZ1hcTKOwIY_KMpSAscYGAAAAqgQFT9AtaNg&fp=d9804d37b84b33a1


oh, & the massey thing was not "debunked," no matter how often the usual suspects say so.

and massey has continued to kill miners all year long.



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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 04:14 PM
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15. There is a big credibility gap between what some DUers "claim" has been debunked,
and what has actually been debunked in the REAL World.

When someone "claims" a debunking without posting a link to the debunking,
I simply skip over that post.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 04:32 PM
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19. People who think Obama's going to war with Iran have no credibility whatsoever.
Such buffoons should be ignored.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 04:51 PM
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20. Maybe, maybe not.
But those who claim that Obama will do whatever it takes to protect and increase Military Spending, and expand the powers of the Unitary Executive,
including rattling Sabers at Iran have "track record" and historical precedent on their side.

Where as those who merely resort to name calling....well they never had much credibility to begin with.
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-06-10 04:25 PM
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17. Kick and Rec.
Where does it end?

Answer: It doesn't
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