So, you believe the admin and 74% of the oil is gone, soooo...

[Subdivisions]

I guess this is a fake image then? :

[phleshdef]

1. No. 25% of the oil would be 1,250,000 barrels.

Do YOU know what that looks like? I don't. But I'll at least admit it.

[LoZoccolo]

2. No kidding. n/t

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[Subdivisions]

5. Well, I just became a grandfather for the fourth time so I'll have to

leave it here for now as I'm heading up to the hospital to see our new baby boy.

So, I'll have to pick this up again later this evening.

Good to see you, earth mom :hi:

[earth mom]

10. Congrats on your new grandson!

:party:

:woohoo:

[villager]

7. they're out, about, and unreccing to their heart's (or employers?) content!

n/t

[jobycom]

8. Okay, could you specifically name these professional disinformation agents?

Or is this just one of those faith-based attitudes, that you just know they exist because what you believe has to be true no matter what the science and scientists say?

[zipplewrath]

4. How many barrels does that photo show?

There's over a million barrels that they claim are out there. Is that what a million barrels look like?

[jpak]

6. Yes, the Obama administration stated there is still oil in the Gulf - a lot of it

and they made the best science-based effort to account for it.

and a very good job too - according to independent researchers that looked at the report

sorry to burst yer bubble!

:rofl:

[sabrina 1]

12. You know, this isn't about bursting bubbles or about

politics. It is about lives. Fishermen in the Gulf are saying that they should not be opening up fishing areas as they are still pulling up oil covered booms having been working on the clean up while they could not fish.

Now they are told they can fish but do not trust the reports. If local fishermen will not eat fish because they do not believe it is safe, would you feed that fish to your family?

How many people have died who worked at Ground Zero after 9/11 and were told it was safe to do so? And why does everything need to be about politics, party politics even when it is as serious as possibly saving many lives?

So you believe now that the dispersant Corexit is safe for people to consume since we are now told it has gone into the food chain?

I don't much care about the politics involved in this. The question is are BP telling the truth about this or are they not, because if people believe them and start eating fish from that area, they better be telling the truth. Not that anyone seems to care, the dying workers who were hailed as heroes from the 9/11 clean up cannot even get health care in this country.

[jpak]

15. It's about bursting the bubbles of those who claim quite incorrectly that 74% of the oil "done gone"

That is not what the NOAA report stated.

nope

[sabrina 1]

16. They claim that the 'vast majority' of the oil is gone.

Even if that were true, why paint a rosy picture that all is well and the crisis is over? Even if it was down to 50% that is still the equivalent of eight Exxon Valdez spills. 25% would equal 4 Exxon Valdez spills. By accepting this not scientifically verified report it means easing up on the work that will be required to restore the environment to where it was before.

Are tax-payers going to be handed that bill also, as we've been handed the bills for the results of all the other corrupt Corps failures?

And we cannot bring back the 11 dead workers, or all the dead wild-life or predict what happens in the future resulting from this disaster.

I'd like to see our government not be so willing to let BP off the hook. They are not deserving of any kind of consideration considering the criminally negligent manner in which they conducted themselves when entrusted with such an important responsibility.

[jpak]

17. The government is not letting BP off the hook - they will assess the fines based on the volume

of oil spilled - not on how much remains in the Gulf.

They have not let BP or the operators of the Deep Horizon off the hook for the death of the rig workers.

sorry

they have not.

[earth mom]

18. You need to wake the hell up-BP is running the show!

BP has committed ECOCIDE in the Gulf and they have been working for MONTHS covering it up.

Quit the disinfo and lies. Most DUers are smarter than that.

Read this and EDUCATE yourself: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=551888

[jpak]

19. I do not need to wake up - I can see clearly and the Obama administration is not lying

and the the folks spreading disinformation are the ones claiming that NOAA stated that most of the oil "disappeared"

and I am smarter than those folks

yup

[sabrina 1]

27. This is what they said ~

Unless we on the left are now 'anti-science' and have joined the far right, I will defer to scientists who a little bit more about these things than the average Press Secretary or even President. Remember this President assured us that Oil Rigs do not blow up these days, because they are absolutely safe. Whoever is advising him on these matters clearly is not reliable.

Scientists Skeptical of Claims in NOAA Report

WASHINGTON -- Many scientists say they're skeptical of a widely publicized government report Wednesday that concludes much of the oil that gushed from BP's leaking well is gone and poses little threat to the Gulf of Mexico.

According to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, the "vast majority" of the 4.9 million barrels released into the Gulf has either evaporated "or been burned, skimmed and recovered from the wellhead, or dispersed."

"I'm suspect if that's accurate or not," said Ronald Kendall, the director of the Institute of Environmental and Human Health at Texas Tech University and one of the scientists who testified Wednesday at a congressional hearing about the need for more research into the composition and use of chemical dispersants to break up the oil in the Gulf.

The 'vast majority' of the oil has been cleared up, skimmed, burned, evaporated, dispersed or recovered. That is what they are claiming. If anyone is spinning it would appear to be those attempting to deny what is in the report.

[inna]

30. holy shit. thanks for the link, I didn't see that thread.

:hi:

[earth mom]

31. You're welcome! It's scary and horrific what BP has done-with the governments help.

:cry:

[sabrina 1]

23. Has anyone been charged, arrested, told to get a lawyer?

Has there been an investigation, of Halliburton, BP to find out why this happened and who was running the show? I'm seeing the same old story. Same as the Mine Disaster, Teabagger Blankenstein is still roaming around slamming 'liberals' and Karl Rove, Dick Cheney et al are living in luxury with no fear of being bothered by us lesser people and our silly laws.

So, they will get a fine, small change considering the profits they have made. The head of BP, the new guy has already said 'it's time to scale back on the clean-up'. So, it looks like business as usual with Big Business calling the shots as they do in Colombia and elsewhere. For a few days I thought this country might at least try to hold them accountable. But, I see no sign of that happening.

[jpak]

20. they did not say that the vast majority of oil is "gone"

this is what the scientists reported



there is nothing in this report that claims the oil "disappeared"

no matter how hard some people may clap - that is not what that chart states.

nope

[jobycom]

9. Holy smoke, if there's no life an Mars, how do you explain this picture?

[Stardust]

25. Is that Jaysus or the Blessed Virgin Mary? It HAS to be one or the other...

[Radical Activist]

29. That still creeps me out.

Logically, I know that if you take enough pictures of most any planet that you're going to find at least one random formation that looks like a face or something else interesting. But...it still creeps me out. It looks very planet of the apes.

[Altoid_Cyclist]

11. The clip that bothers me is the one with Robert Dudley saying that he'd let his family eat

the "fresh" seafood from the area.

Reminds me of this:

[dipsydoodle]

13. So know you know

what a proportion of 26% looks like.

And ?

[Statistical]

14. No that would be the 26%. n.t

[Contrary1]

21. Here are some numbers...

Excerpts from yesterday's press briefing:

About a quarter of the oil has been evaporated or dissolved.

About 17 percent, were recovered directly from the well site.

An additional 5 percent was burned.

Another 3 percent was skimmed.

8 percent of the oil that was released has been chemically dispersed both with dispersants at the surface, as well as subsea.


Looks like 42% is still out there somewhere.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/press-briefing-press-secretary-robert-gibbs-admiral-thad-allen-carol-browner-and-dr

[robdogbucky]

22. Federal Report on Oil's Fate in Gulf Raises Eyebrows

Scientists are raising concerns about a new federal report that says most of the oil from the Gulf of Mexico spill has been dispersed or contained.

The report (pdf) released yesterday attempts to clear up a mystery surrounding the fate of the millions of gallons of oil that gushed from the failed BP PLC well before it was capped in mid-July. The report says all but 26 percent of the spilled oil is accounted for.

Much of the oil that remains is being degraded or cleaned up on Gulf Coast beaches, the report states.

"The bottom line here is we can account for all but about 26 percent of the oil, and of that, much of that is in the process of being degraded and cleaned up on the shore," Jane Lubchenco, administrator of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, said yesterday at the White House.

But some scientists say such a statement is misleading.

http://www.nytimes.com/gwire/2010/08/05/05greenwire-federal-report-on-oils-fate-in-gulf-raises-eyebr-903.html



The government's estimate was based on "the best scientific estimates," and the uncertainties of this estimate, mainly because they do not know exactly how much oil was released. Scientists also contested Ms. Lubchenco's use of "most," to describe the disappearance rate and her assertions that the dispersed oil was degrading rapidly naturally.

This is what the best science about this situation is all about?

Estimates and something else.

wow


rdb

[QC]

24. KICK!

[smalll]

26. Old news. Go to the New York times mutimedia map on the spill --

Your pic is dated July 28 --- even the Times shows a lot of visible spill for that date. By August 2 (the last date up there this moment on the Times site) the spill is essentially gone.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010/05/01/us/20100501-oil-spill-tracker.html?ref=us

No-one's denying there was still obvious spill a week ago.

[joe black]

28. Oh yeah it's alllllll gone.

Nuts I tell you.

[blindpig]

32. Don't believe your lying eyes....

rather believe your superiors, they know better.

Amazing and shameless, two years ago this attitude was derided universally around here, yet some have done a 180, abandoning all pretense of intellectual honesty.