For all the RWers who say the America was founded on the Christian religion.

[white_wolf]

The treaty of Tripoli signed into law by John Adams disagrees. Article 11: As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

[mrcheerful]

1. Sorry but that is just a treaty and has no standing with the nit wits

assertions that America was founded on christian beliefs. Remember nit wits only accept writings that back up their beliefs anything that proves those beliefs to be wrong they ignore or declare they aren't viable for any made up reasoning ( if you can call it reasoning ) the nit wits pull out of their ass, even if it means using documents from another point in history that they believe shows proof of their belief.

[rbixby]

12. you mean the articles of confederation or declaration of independence?

What people don't understand is that they're not actual founding documents of this country. I even had someone quote the Mayflower Compact as a justification that the US is a Christian nation. Because you know, the Mayflower Compact still has legal precedence here in America.

[Winterblues]

14. Where as Treaties are "The Supreme Law of the Land"

:shrug:

[rbixby]

17. That's true

But the supreme law of the land doesn't specify any sort of ecclesiastical foundation of the country. I keep making the argument that if Christianity was so important to the founding fathers and they wanted to make this a 'christian nation', that some sort of language to that effect would have been included in there. That argument just seems to go right over their heads though.

[elleng]

2. For EVERYONE, a bit of U.S. history.

[beam me up scottie]

3. You're not a fan of Zach Wamp, are you?

I'm a former Vermonter living in Kentuckessee and I don't think I can hang on to my sanity much longer...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gw_1s1ThMpY

How can you reason with people who have been fed these lies since they were born?

[white_wolf]

6. How long you been here?

Trust me I've lived here the past 20 years which is my whole life and I'm still not used to the craziness. But i swear this election is going to kill me between Wamp,"Tea party endorsed Ramsey", and that Robin smith women who is running for congress I think I'm going to go throw my TV out the window. And don't get me started on Mchweter hes the bluest of the blue dogs if he is even worthy of being called a democrat because he's as crazy as the republicans.

[beam me up scottie]

8. Less than 10 years, way too long. I killed my tv years ago but now I live w/bf who always has his on

You HAVE to check out Red State Update's interview with Basil Marceaux:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x491988

:rofl:

[white_wolf]

9. Wait?!

He's for real? When I first saw him on the Colbert Report I thought it was a big joke he sounded so stupid. Red State Update is right though the guy is better than half the stuff on at night he is hilarious.

[beam me up scottie]

10. Oh, he's definitely for real and now the whole world knows about him.

Gotta give him props for being honest.

Somehow I doubt Travis and Jonathan will be moving back to Murfreesboro any time soon.

[white_wolf]

11. Oh screw this

I'm doing a write in and voting for myself. I can't do any worse than the idiots who will win. Vote for me I'm the only Liberal running.

[Vickers]

4. Show me where Christ, Christianity, Jesus, Nazareth, Bethlehem, Joseph, Mary,

disciples, or the three wise men are mentioned in the Declaration of Independence or the US Constitution.

Seems like if we are a Christian nation those would at least have a mention or two, huh?

Hell "lamb" is not even in either of 'em!

[RaleighNCDUer]

5. But I have it on good authority that Harry Lee, the guy who REALLY

wrote the Declaration of Independence because you know that commie Jefferson couldn't have, was eating a sandwich of of thin-cut roast lamb as he wrote it!

Gotchya!

[Vickers]

7. I bow to your superior constitutional-culinary knowledge.

:P

[david13]

13. It was gounded on the concept of religious neutrality. Of not having

a religious government, but a totally secular and neutral government, to allow whatever religion.
An open society, so to speak. It was a reaction to religious persecution and intolerance in Europe from whence they fled, to escape said persecution and intolerance.
However, the history of the USA also includes the fact, that, as soon as they got here, they began to try to find ways to persecute and not allow religions, other than their own.
So they became, in many instances, what they hated and wanted to escape.
dc

[mercuryblues]

15. One way to shut them up

I ask this:

What does the Christian religion say about Freemasonry?

The most common answer is that they are a secret devil worshipping cult.

I spout this little tidbit:

http://watch.pair.com/mason.html

"Some of the greatest names of the American Revolution were Masons: Ethan Allen, Edmund Burke, John Claypoole, William Daws, Benjamin Franklin, John Hancock, John Paul Jones, Robert Livingston, Paul Revere, Colonel Benjamin Tupper, and George Washington. Of the 56 signers of The Declaration of Independence, eight were known Masons and seven others exhibited strong evidence of Masonic membership. Of the forty signers of the Constitution, nine were known Masons, 13 exhibited evidence of Masonic membership, and six more later became Masons.

Finally, I challenge them to name me one value that is unique to Christianity. While they try to come up with one, I walk away.

[Xenotime]

16. Good way to stick it to them.