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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 08:32 PM
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Am I "intolerant" of homophobic bigots? You damn well bet I am!
And so are many of you. If you are intolerant of such people, then we ought to say so without hesitation.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 08:35 PM
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1. I'm not, as long as their bigotry arises from simple ignorance
Willful ignorance, I cannot abide.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 08:37 PM
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2. Ignorance is by definition willful.
Ignorant people are people who ignore things.

People who do not know any better because they have never been exposed to knowledge are naive, not ignorant.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-10 06:44 AM
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10. Ignorance is the state of being ignorant
Ignorant means unaware or uninformed.

People who do not know any better because they have never been exposed to knowledge are naive, not ignorant.

Here's now Merriam-Webster defines naive:

naive

1.

Main Entry: na·ive
Variant(s): or na·ïve \nä-ˈēv, nī-\
Function: adjective
Inflected Form(s): na·iv·er; na·iv·est
Etymology: French naïve, feminine of naïf, from Old French, inborn, natural, from Latin nativus native
Date: 1654

1 : marked by unaffected simplicity : artless, ingenuous
2 a : deficient in worldly wisdom or informed judgment; especially : credulous b : not previously subjected to experimentation or a particular experimental situation <made the test with naive rats>; also : not having previously used a particular drug (as marijuana) c : not having been exposed previously to an antigen <naive T cells>
3 a : self-taught, primitive b : produced by or as if by a self-taught artist
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 08:39 PM
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3. I think the statute of limitations on simple ignorance ran out about a decade ago.
At this point, it's willful, unless they're too young to know better and have been raised in an all-pervasive environment of hate.

So no more sympathy from me.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-10 06:46 AM
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11. I still occasionally meet people who think they've never met a gay person
And who believe that sexual orientation is the result of a conscious choice.

It's usually pretty easy to get them to get them to see the absurdity of that view. I just ask them to describe the moment at which they decided to be heterosexual. Nobody has been able to do that so far.
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-10 11:57 AM
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16. That's a pretty good line; I'll have to steal that question.
:rofl:
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-10 12:10 PM
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18. Please use it as often as possible
Most people who attempt to answer it describe seeing a naked woman and getting an erection. Certainly not the exercise of a choice, especially when you are an adolescent boy and get erections all the time.
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 08:40 PM
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4. But, but... That's anti-Christian BIGOTRY!!!!!!
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-10 08:51 PM
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21. Yes I HATE Christian bigots like any other bigot.
If said "christians"interpretation" of their own bible is excusing their bigotry..YES ,I hate the bigot,and their choice of their bigoted bible and their bigot god too. I don't tolerate intolerable religion based bigotry,excusing bigots!
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 08:41 PM
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5. I am intolerant of all bigots.
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bring_em_home_bush Donating Member (263 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 10:00 PM
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8. .
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Lint Head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 08:48 PM
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6. I have strained relations with my on family because of the
views they have. I am hetero but have no problem with homosexuality.
I cannot visit them for any length of time without having to endure some off color racist joke or bigoted discussion.
I have been less than tolerant of them lately and it comes out in an angry fashion so I have been avoiding being around them.
It's a sad situation but I feel better about myself because I am standing up for what is right. My own sister is much older than me and actually quoted the Leviticus passage about men laying down with men. I did not continue the argument of how absurd picking and choosing certain sins and ignoring others was ridicules. They like football and obviously wear cotton and polyester fabrics yet those two sins are just as bad as men laying down with men. Touching the skin of a dead pig and wearing mixed cloth in clothes are also forbidden sins in Leviticus.

They are too old to change and life is too short to spend it convincing bigots to change.
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Texasgal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 08:50 PM
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7. Thumbs up!
I am with ya!


I am INTOLERANT of BIGOTRY! I will SING it from the roof tops too!
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 10:03 PM
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9. Yeah, but
I can't blame people for how they were raised as children. I've seen too many people change their attitudes to write anyone off.
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kctim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-10 08:56 AM
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12. Who gets to define
what classifies people as being "homophobic bigots" or not?
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-10 10:56 AM
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13. I thought that was your job
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kctim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-10 11:54 AM
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14. Nope
I deal with facts, not opinions, so simply throwing out labels to gain support doesn't work.
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uncommon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-10 11:58 AM
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17. People who want to deprive gay people of rights on the basis of their gayness are bigots.
Good enough for you?
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kctim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-10 12:48 PM
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19. Not what I asked
I asked WHO gets to define it.

Is somebody who believes a what an old book says, really an intolerant homophobic bigot?
Is somebody who doesn't give a crap about gay people one way or another, really an intolerant homophobic bigot?
Is somebody who believes as President Obama does, really an intolerant homophobic bigot?
Or are we talking about people who actually fear gay people and act in seriously harmful ways to punish them physically and mentally?

Being intolerant of others who are intolerant is one thing. Being intolerant of others who don't feel as deeply, emotionally or to the same extreme of you, is another.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-10 11:55 AM
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15. I'm intolerant of bigots!
Fuck 'em!
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-10 08:46 PM
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20. Hell yeah I HATE homophobic bigots,
and I will say so,Yeah, I HATE bullies ,authoritarians,psychopaths,rapists,racists,misogynist's,forced birthers,religious fanatics,torturers,pedophiles...You know toxic personality people who refuse to let others be themselves,love whom they love,control freak bullies who cause others suffer just because they like to do it or they think they'll get away with it,and all abusers of power,minds bodies,sexuality,spirituality,and the unique human spirit,ethics,equality,diversity and personal creativity.I do not TOLERATE the intolerable.
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