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Rage for Order Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 02:22 PM
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The EPA told us the air near Ground Zero was safe to breathe
For those of you who don't understand why many of us are skeptical of the government's reports stating that the majority of the oil is gone and things will be back to normal sooner rather than later, please see below. Government bureaucrats and scientists have been wrong before, and they've withheld important health information from the general population more times than I can count.

From January 8, 2002:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A11173-2002Jan7?language=printer

The EPA, which has conducted thousands of tests of Lower Manhattan's air since Sept. 11, has repeatedly assured residents that the air is safe to breathe. Doctors note that some symptoms could be caused or enhanced by stress -- and many will undoubtedly dissipate as the last smoldering fires go out and the air grows clearer.

"I am glad to reassure the people of New York . . . that their air is safe to breathe and their water is safe to drink," EPA Administrator Christine Todd Whitman said a week after the attacks. "The good news for the residents of New York is that the air, while smoky, is not dangerous," an EPA spokeswoman told the Los Angeles Times at about the same time. And at the end of September, another spokeswoman, citing recent tests for asbestos, told the New York Daily News: "There was not a significant risk, even in the early days." The agency released selected test results that seemed to buttress those assertions.

But the EPA also found more troubling results, and it did not release that data until after the nonprofit New York Environmental Law and Justice Project filed a Freedom of Information Act request. These tests found elevated levels of dioxin, PCBs, lead and chromium, all toxic substances, in the air, soil and water around the site.

In a Sept. 26 EPA test, for example, three of 10 samples near the attack site showed elevated readings for lead. Exposure to lead can damage the kidneys and central nervous system, and is especially dangerous to children. An Oct. 11 EPA test in the ground zero area found benzene, a colorless liquid that evaporates quickly but can cause leukemia in long-term exposure, measured 58 times above the federal Occupational Safety and Health Administration's limit. Those results were not released until late October.

EPA spokeswoman Bonnie Bellow said the late release was an oversight, caused by the chaos of those first weeks. She added that the agency had performed 3,561 tests for asbestos in New York, and only 29 of those recorded higher levels than the federal standard.


From February 2002:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2002/02/07/usat-wtc-acov.htm

Roughly one in four firefighters who have been working at Ground Zero have what some are calling "World Trade Center cough" or another respiratory complaint, fire department officials say. About 750 have had to take medical leave, according to the firefighters' union.

Now, the Environmental Protection Agency and local health officials are under fire from politicians and others who accuse them of failing to adequately inform the public about potential long-term health risks from asbestos, heavy metals and various chemicals. They say officials downplayed negative test results of such substances as benzene, dioxins and PCBs and have been slow in releasing test findings to the public.

The EPA disputes those criticisms and says the outdoor air downtown poses no long-term health risks.

The EPA says it has been vigilant in sharing information, meeting with various agencies, regularly updating its Web site and even maintaining a lab near Ground Zero. The lab performs daily tests for toxins and gives the results immediately to workers at the site.

"Based on our findings, and now really more than 10,000 samples of a wide range of substances, we have found no significant long-term risk posed by the outdoor air," EPA spokeswoman Bonnie Bellow said last week.

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katandmoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 02:24 PM
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1. K&R. And the Obama administration is just as full of industry hacks as Bush's was.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 02:26 PM
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2. White House/FEMA/ACE didn't disclose levee breach for almost 24 hours.
But unknown to the state, in those crucial hours on Monday, the federal government's helicopters had filmed the cracks that would become walls of death by Tuesday.

Hurricane George

snip

Van Heerden revealed:

"FEMA knew at 11 o'clock on Monday that the levees had breeched. At 2p.m. they flew over he 17th Street Canal and took video of the breech."

Question: "So the White House wouldn't tell you the levees had breeched?"

Dr. Van Heerden: "They didn't tell anybody."

Question: "And you're at the Emergency Center.'

Dr. Van Heerden: "I mean nobody knew. The Corps of Engineers knew. FEMA knew. None of us knew."

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/26122
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Rage for Order Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 02:27 PM
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4. But that was then, this is now
The government wouldn't dare lie to us anymore, don't you know?
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 02:40 PM
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10. Yup.

Center for Biological Diversity v Interior Dept:


http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/may2010/2010-05-14-092.html

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GSLevel9 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 02:27 PM
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3. epic fail...
I understand the desire to reduce panic... but this is just dishonesty.
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Rage for Order Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 02:29 PM
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6. What part is dishonest?
The part about the government telling people the air was safe to breathe and would have no long-term health effects, or the part about me saying that they've lied before and they'll lie again so maybe we shouldn't rush to take the government at its word?

:shrug:
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 02:38 PM
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7. Don't even waste your keystrokes.
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GSLevel9 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 02:41 PM
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11. of course referring to the agencies dishonesty... nt
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 02:45 PM
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14. But the EPA lying their @sses off was a huge scandal
and it cost many lives. What on earth are you talking about?
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GSLevel9 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 02:51 PM
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15. yes, lol... I'm agreeing. The EPA was dishonest. lolol...
why does everyone think that others are arguing with them?
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 03:10 PM
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17. It appeared that you were referring to the OP as an "epic fail".
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 03:38 PM
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21. LOL. Your post was alittle cryptic. I think people were just trying
to understand what you were saying.
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Tiras De Carne Seca Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 02:39 PM
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8. Do you think you could
specifically list all of the dishonest parts? It would sure give your response more credibility than just stating "epic fail" followed by a claim of dishonesty.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 10:26 PM
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23. Epic ignorance.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 02:29 PM
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5. As things stand, I am beginning to believe I will soon follow the
Edited on Wed Aug-04-10 02:29 PM by truedelphi
RW's teachings of "No agency purview."

Why have agencies, that cost tax payers Billions of dollars, when any time the agency is really needed, they either follow faulty reasoning, or they follow their need to protect the Monsters of Big Corporate Policy.

The MSM gave BP the exemption allowing for their drilling.

The EPA sides with industry so often. This goes back as far as the late seventies. In fact, one of the few instances when the EPA did not side with Big Industry was in the matter of lead being in our paint and gasoline.

The young researcher who had done decent studies discovering the link between children being poisoned by lead, and lead being in paint and gasoline, presented his findings to his Agency, the EPA.

And the EPA promptly went about putting through the paperwork to fire him.

Luckily for all of us, the MacArthur Foundation had heard of this scientist, and they gave him a genius award.

What to do? The EPA knew the public would launch a horrid inquiry into the EPA's method of doing things, if they fired the man. So they tore up his pink slip- and went ahead and implemented the policy of banning lead in paint and gasoline.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 02:39 PM
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9. In effect, they are still lying ot us...
Edited on Wed Aug-04-10 02:39 PM by BrklynLiberal
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 02:43 PM
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13. Damn straight they are lying!
Edited on Wed Aug-04-10 02:44 PM by earth mom
Thanks for posting the link-hadn't seen that OP yet.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 03:08 PM
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16. That is what we are all here for..
:thumbsup: :hi:
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 02:42 PM
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12. Common sense has flown out the window. Think people!
Edited on Wed Aug-04-10 02:45 PM by earth mom
Of course Ground Zero was toxic and people have died from it.

Of course the BP Gusher killed IS toxic and killed hundreds of thousands of animals.

The question is-are the people living in the Gulf Zone next to DIE?

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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 03:12 PM
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18. My beautiful mind is hurting.
Must I?
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 03:14 PM
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19. There is a long record of political pressure at the EPA during bush's administration...
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2008/04/epa_scientists_complain_about.php

The Union of Concerned Scientists said that more than half of the nearly 1,600 EPA staff scientists who responded online to a detailed questionnaire reported they had experienced incidents of political interference in their work.
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 03:29 PM
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20. It's not either-or.
The gulf spill does seem less devastating than people thought it would be. That's great.

But this is good to bear in mind.
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Rage for Order Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 11:07 PM
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26. I agree, it is not an either/or situation
But it does seem a bit early to proclaim "Mission Accomplished"
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 03:39 PM
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22. K&R
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 10:27 PM
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24. I'm totally with you.
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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 10:34 PM
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25. Anyone still have doubts that the evil fucks at BP are orchestrating
the entire show, and are in a gigantic hurry to put the whole thing behind them?
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