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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 03:14 PM
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Charlie Rangel "Since Kunu Ri .. I have never, never had a bad day."
Edited on Sat Jul-31-10 03:18 PM by sabrina 1
Since Kunu Ri, and I mean it with all my heart, I have never, never had a bad day



Rep. Rangel was referring to his service in the Korean War and the incident for which he was awarded a Purple Heart for his injuries and The Bronze Star for his valor in the 'face of death'.

This week he revised that statement, slightly.

After Rangel enlisted in the U.S. Army, he served from 1948 to 1952 and during his time in the Korean War he became a War Hero:

Charles B. Rangel

During the Korean War, he was a member of the all-black 503rd Field Artillery Battalion in the 2nd Infantry Division. In late November 1950, this unit was caught up in heavy fighting in North Korea as part of the U.N. forces retreat from the Yalu River. In the Battle of Kunu-ri, Rangel was part of a vehicle column that was trapped and attacked by the Chinese Army. In the subzero cold, Rangel was injured by shrapnel from a Chinese shell. Some U.S. soldiers were being taken prisoner, but others looked to Rangel, who though only a private first class had a reputation for leadership in the unit. Rangel led some 40 men from his unit, during three days of freezing weather, out of the Chinese encirclement; nearly half of the battalion was killed in the overall battle. Rangel was awarded a Purple Heart for his wounds and the Bronze Star with Valor for his actions in the face of death. His Army Unit was awarded the Presidential Unit Citation, the Republic of Korea Presidential Unit Citation, and three battle stars.


He was born in Harlem and grew up poor. His father left the family when he was six years old. He and his two sibling were raised by his single mother who died in 1995. He left school at 16 but later went back after being discharged from the military and went to achieve enormous success in his educational career:

Rangel would later view his time in the Army, away from the poverty of his youth, as a major turning point in his life: "When I was exposed to a different life, even if that life was just the Army, I knew damn well I couldn't get back to the same life I had left." After an honorable discharge from the Army at the rank of staff sergeant, he returned home to headlines in The New York Amsterdam News. Rangel finished high school, completing two years of studies in one year and graduating in 1953. Rangel then received a Bachelor of Science degree from the New York University School of Commerce in 1957, where he made the dean's list, and, on full scholarship, obtained his law degree from the St. John's University School of Law in 1960.

Rangel is a member of Alpha Phi Alpha, the first intercollegiate Greek-letter fraternity established for African-Americans. He is a member of the fraternity's World Policy Council, a think tank whose purpose is to expand Alpha Phi Alpha's involvement in politics and social and current policy to encompass international concerns.


He eventually found his way into politics and was first elected to Congress in 1970 and began serving in 1971. He has been re-elected by huge margins, sometimes as high as 88% - 90% ever since.

During the Bush administration he was a vocal opponent of the Iraq War. I will never forget the effort he made and thank him for it.

Rangel was an adamant opponent of the George W. Bush administration and of the Iraq War.<35> Feeling powerless to stop the latter in the Republican-controlled Congress, he said in 2007 that he had suffered from nightmares: "It was my lowest point ever in my 37 years in Congress ... It was a sad period where you saw lives being lost and you couldn't do anything about it."


His many achievements as a politician are listed in the above link. People who know him well say he never wanted to be anything other than a member of Congress where he was able to do so much for his constituents.

Anyone who called Dick Cheney 'mentally disturbed' publicly and George Bush 'our Bull Connor' is okay by me.

But it is not Dick Cheney a war criminal who lied this country into war, torture supporter, outer of an Undercover Agent, shooter of a friend in the face, chickenhawk with five deferments from a war he supported who is under fire in this great democracy. Such crimes, we are told, need to be 'put behind us'.

Okay then. If such horrendous and treasonous crimes are to ignored, why is Charlie Rangel being asked to 'end his career with dignity' over what, having now read the charges, seem to me to be pure trivia BY COMPARISON!

If Cheney, Bush and the rest of that criminal cabal are to be treated like royalty in this country, what message does this send regarding the 'Rule of Law'? If Karl Rove and his minions are to be exonerated for using the Justice Department to influence elections and Tim Geithner can be confirmed after admitting that he knowingly cheated on his taxes, not to mention the rest of the corrupt Wall St. criminals who have been rewarded rather than prosecuted for their role in the collapse of the U.S. economy then someone needs to explain what exactly Charlie Rangel has done that we should be particularly excited about?

And if the DOJ can forgive the Rove minions, then I forgive Charlie Rangel and I condemn any hypocrite who has stood by and allowed all those crimes to go unpunished, worse, rewarded, who now points a finger at Rep. Rangel.

I could go on listing all the reasons why Charlie Rangel was reelected over and over again and why we, during the nightmare years of Bush looked to him and a few others like him, for leadership. But it would take too long.

I'll just say ~ Thank YOU Rep. Charles Rangel for all you have done for this country. Do not even think of going anywhere until the Rule of Law is re-established in this country and I know we can count on you to say so.

They want us to forgive and forget? War Crimes? But not Charlie Rangel, War Hero, Political Activist with over 50 years of real service to his country? I don't think so!




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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 03:28 PM
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1. I'm ashamed of a lot of Democrats
for being so quick to toss him overboard when you never heard one republican say jack shit about John Ensign or David Vitter.

We're never going to succeed in winning hearts and minds until we are willing to stand by our own.

I don't care if he did or didn't do the things he's accused of doing. I support him.

And don't tell me that the difference between us and them is that we're willing to admit when we've done wrong. Bullshit. Nobody respects that.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 03:34 PM
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3. We are afraid of what people like Breitbart might think of us.
They don't care what we think of them. They reward their criminals. Bush, no matter what WE may think of him, handed out medals to the war criminals in his adminstration and thumbed his nose at everyone who criticized him for it.

And Democrats remained silent about those criminals.

But they are quick to step forward every time when it's a Democrat often regardless of whether they've done anything or not.

Thank you for having the courage to stand up for Charles Rangel. He stood up for us often enough.

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Duckhunter935 Donating Member (777 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 03:39 PM
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4. We are better then them
If he is found to be corrupt out with him
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 03:42 PM
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6. Do you even know what he's being accused of?
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Duckhunter935 Donating Member (777 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 03:54 PM
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10. Yes I do
http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/3581153

In a large hearing room in the bowels of the Capitol Visitors Center, the subcommittee detailed the 13 charges that stem from four matters: That he solicited donations for the Rangel Center for Public Service at the City College of New York , seeking money from foundations and corporations that had interests before the House; that he made "errors and omissions" in failing to disclose $600,000 on his financial disclosure statements; that he used a rent-controlled apartment to house his campaign committees; and that he failed to report and pay taxes on rental income on a beach villa he owns in the Dominican Republic .


If he is found to be corrupt I want him gone. We are better than this
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 04:00 PM
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12. He solicited donations as is the current practice in DC. Check.
He didn't disclose $600k. That may be true but if he corrects it, what is the problem? Is using a rent controlled apartment against the law? How does that limit his ability to represent his district, anyway? And, has he paid those taxes on his DR property?

This is bullshit.
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Duckhunter935 Donating Member (777 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 04:15 PM
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14. I will let the trial decide
I rob a bank get caught then give the money back, I did nothing wrong right? They all do it, does that make it right? I think it is bullshit that if a person in congress (R) or (D) gets caught all they have to do is amend a statement to fix a false official statement.

I said "IF" and I stand by that statement.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 04:24 PM
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19. Rangel didn't rob a bank. n/t
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Duckhunter935 Donating Member (777 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 04:39 PM
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20. Nope,same idea though
He just FAILED to disclose over 600,000.00 dollars as required by the law. Most of us lowly people would at the least have a major fine with interest if we did this to the IRS. I am sure he will reach a deal and get off but that is still wrong.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 04:46 PM
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22. So, should Geithner step down now that Obama has
suggested that Rangel 'retire with dignity'? We can't have different standards for different people. What has Geithner every done for this country? Why is Obama so fond of him that he was willing to accept any incoming fire from Republicans on his behalf, but not for Rangel?
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Duckhunter935 Donating Member (777 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 04:47 PM
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24. Yes
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 05:00 PM
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25. Thank you, I agree ...
My point and my disagreement with you was your statement that we are better. I do not think that people who remain silent, or facilitate crimes, are all that much better than the main perpetrators.

I supported Democrats hoping that we would get a majority and then some of the criminals from the Bush administration would finally be held accountable.

That was one main reason for supporting Dems. We were told it would happen. But not only has it NOT happened, they are being exonerated.

So, since this is how our society is run, it is part of our culture now, I have to judge 'crimes' against other factors. I know we won't be prosecuting the most serious criminals. I reject that completely but have no power to change it. So now, I look at the backgrounds of those accused of crimes in elected office. Then I have to judge how much they have done for others, for this country and weigh it against what they are accused of.

When I do that, under our current system, Charlie Rangel is nowhere near the top of the list as far as needing to go anywhere. And until we return to being a law-abiding country, it would be grossly unfair to punish him while murderers are exonerated. That is the sad state of our country and it is not just the fault of Republicans.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 04:05 PM
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13. Geithner didn't make 'errors and omissions' when he cheated on
his taxes. He failed to pay SS taxes for an employee even after being advised to do so. This was known to Democrats before he was confirmed.
Timothy Geithner's Tax Problems


Over several years, Treasury secretary nominee Timothy F. Geithner failed to pay Social Security taxes, even though he was advised by his employer to do so, signed an agreement indicating that he understood that such payments were his responsibility and received extra pay from his employer specifically for that purpose.

Mr. Geithner "came clean" only when he was caught, first by an IRS audit that found he owed Social Security taxes for 2003 and 2004 and then when additional tax liabilities for 2001 and 2002 were discovered after his nomination. He has been praised for repaying these additional taxes for the earlier years, which apparently may not have been required under a statute of limitations, but this raises another question: Why didn't he voluntarily correct his 2001 and 2002 taxes once he found out that he had made the same error in 2003 and 2004?



So tell me again, how are we better than them. If you support this administration, then you support overlooking crimes such as toture and treason and tax evasion. This is what I have learned from Democrats. We do not need to look back at these crimes. So, I am now confused that for Charlie Rangel whose 'crimes' come nowhere close to those that Democrats want us to forget, the same standards, OURS not THEIRS do not apply.

Yet you insist that we are better than them. How do you come to that conclusion?
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Duckhunter935 Donating Member (777 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 04:17 PM
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16. Did not agree with that confirmation either
As a whole I think the Democratic party is better but nowhere near perfect.
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Duckhunter935 Donating Member (777 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 04:46 PM
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23. IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF
I that enough for you or do I need to say IF a few more times.

IF he is found to not be corrupt so be it, let him get back to work
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 10:43 PM
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30. It's okay if you're a Republican though. Democrats will give
a free pass to Republicans every time, while rushing, as they did with Shirley Sherrod, to dispose of any good Democrat to appease the right.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 03:46 PM
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8. You think we are better than them?
Edited on Sat Jul-31-10 03:54 PM by sabrina 1
How? Democrats have said we need to forget war crimes. We need to leave torturers alone. How does that make us better than them?

If he did something wrong and you think for that he should be tossed out of Congress, then what do you think of the Obama Administration position on War Criminals?

What do you think of Geithner's admission of being a tax cheat, yet he is in this administration's cabinet? How does that make US better than THEM?

Edited to say that it is not THEM who are willing to overlook serious crimes against the Constitution and the Geneva Conventions. It is Democrats. So how then are Democrats any better?
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Duckhunter935 Donating Member (777 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 03:56 PM
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11. I am not a lock step Democrat
Yes I do disagree with Democrats on some things.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 04:15 PM
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15. This is a pretty major thing.
Democrats have set standards for Charlie Rangel that are different from those they set for Dick Cheney and Timothy Geithner and Karl Rove just to mention a few. I think they need to explain it. Until they do, as far as I am concerned, they should stand up for Charles Rangel the same way they did for Timothy Geithner.
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Duckhunter935 Donating Member (777 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 04:19 PM
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17. Disagree
They should have gone after all of them not excuse wrongdoing. It would be nice if the leadership had some spine but they do not.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 06:37 PM
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28. I wonder if it's just spine they lack.
By refusing to go after war crimes, they became complicit. My point remains clear. As long as the standards are what they are, then everyone should be judged in proportion to them, until they change.
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 03:41 PM
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5. Remember our little ethics chior here always wants to show republicans how fast they can
turn on a Democrat.

republicans just say thank you to them.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 04:20 PM
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18. Exactly. You don't belong in politics if
do not have the guts to confront the opposition with their own hypocrisy. Every time Democrats rush to get rid of someone, they look weak.

If at this point they were to stand by Rangel, let him be reprimanded or whatever, then if Republicans scream, start yelling about THEIR crimes. Use their access to the media to point out the hypocrisy of Republicans accusing anyone of corruption. Mention Vitter, Craig, Ensign, Cheney, Rove until it sinks into the public consciousness that they will stand by their most egregious criminals.

I am so sick of the weakness and betrayals of this party.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 03:44 PM
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7. "We" are willing to admit we were wrong whether we were wrong or not
and that's no way to build a power base.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-10 02:41 PM
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31. Progressives, many of whom survived the Bush
administration are falling like flies since Dems won. I remember Bush having Rove stand right next to him when he was under investigation in the Plame affair. And giving a medal of freedom to Sanchez right after the Taguba Report came out proving he was aware of the torture crimes.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 05:21 PM
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26. Well said!!!!
It is more humiliating to see how quickly Rangel is being tossed aside than to deal with whatever it is alleged he did.

He is not being accused of soliciting prostitutes while wearing diapers...
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 05:24 PM
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27. He didn't torture anyone either n/t
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mahina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 03:31 PM
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2. proud to rec
for this right here: "But it is not Dick Cheney a war criminal who lied this country into war, torture supporter, outer of an Undercover Agent, shooter of a friend in the face, chickenhawk with five deferments from a war he supported who is under fire in this great democracy. Such crimes, we are told, need to be 'put behind us'".
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 03:52 PM
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9. Thank you ~ the hypocrisy is stunning.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 08:15 PM
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29. I wondered when I posted this how many scared rabbits would
rush to unrec it. And without saying why. Because the argument about the rule of law won't work, thanks to the exoneration of the worst kind of criminals by Democrats.

Not surprising that unreccers would not want to try to explain why we let war criminals go free, but should throw away someone like Rangel. There really is no argument for it.

Who needs Republicans when we have cowards in our own party afraid to stand up for anything?

How thoroughly disappointing this party is turning out to be.
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