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Perky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-13-07 03:55 PM Original message |
What the Right does not want to understand about the Establishment Clause |
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no_hypocrisy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-13-07 04:00 PM Response to Original message |
1. The Bill of Rights (the Est. Clause therewithin) was designed to protect any minority group |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-14-07 01:19 PM Response to Reply #1 |
45. Er, well, except slaves...and women...native americans... |
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Ian David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-13-07 04:01 PM Response to Original message |
2. Market Forces should determine which religions thrive in the marketplace of ideas... |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-13-07 04:39 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. Ah, just like the oil companies n/t |
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Kansas Wyatt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-13-07 04:12 PM Response to Original message |
3. But the first thing they will say to you is... |
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Perky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-13-07 04:26 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. My response is always the same |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-13-07 04:41 PM Response to Reply #3 |
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Perky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-13-07 04:49 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Contextually there is probably some validity |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-13-07 04:59 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. However, at the time of the Constitution |
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alarimer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-13-07 06:11 PM Response to Reply #3 |
25. Many of them were not exactly Christians themselves |
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Kansas Wyatt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-13-07 08:41 PM Response to Reply #25 |
32. They refuse to accept that any Founding Fathers were not 'Good Christians' |
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PoiBoy (842 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-13-07 04:23 PM Response to Original message |
4. Separation on Church and State |
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Perky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-13-07 04:39 PM Response to Original message |
7. kicking due to OP edits |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-13-07 04:59 PM Response to Original message |
11. Check your history. The Pilgrims fled because they couldn't impose their religion on others. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-13-07 05:09 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. noooo ... |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-13-07 09:29 PM Response to Reply #13 |
34. Oddly phrased, I'm basically saying "you have the right to believe... |
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Perky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-13-07 05:17 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. Really? |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-13-07 09:30 PM Response to Reply #15 |
35. Look below this post, for starters. |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-13-07 06:25 PM Response to Reply #11 |
27. Correct - Read Up On Roger Williams - co-Founder of Rhode Island |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-13-07 09:27 PM Response to Reply #27 |
33. Exactly, thank you! |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-13-07 05:06 PM Response to Original message |
12. nuances |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-13-07 05:14 PM Response to Original message |
14. Can someone please explain something to me? |
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Perky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-13-07 05:18 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. The Church of England was the state religion |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-13-07 05:27 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Bring it down to the lowest level. |
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-14-07 08:51 PM Response to Reply #18 |
47. Yes |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-13-07 05:23 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. starting with the 1600s |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-13-07 05:30 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. Anglican. |
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sutz12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-13-07 05:37 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. IIRC, they were one step removed from Catholicism |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-13-07 05:46 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. That's why I'm confused. |
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PegDAC (906 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-13-07 06:20 PM Response to Reply #20 |
26. More like Episcopalian, I always thought. n/t |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-13-07 06:41 PM Response to Reply #19 |
28. uh, they *are* the Protestant religion |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-13-07 07:29 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. THAT's What I'm talking about. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-13-07 07:58 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. the nuance you need to include |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-14-07 05:47 AM Response to Reply #31 |
38. "but just don't care as much about the rights and freedoms of others." |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-14-07 05:59 AM Response to Reply #38 |
39. you got it! |
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sutz12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-13-07 05:41 PM Response to Original message |
21. I just wish they would read Article VI |
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Perky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-13-07 07:17 PM Response to Reply #21 |
29. I think that is a reference to any test administered by the state |
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unblock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-13-07 05:53 PM Response to Original message |
23. exactly. american was established as a specifically NON-christian nation |
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Perky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-14-07 04:31 AM Response to Reply #23 |
36. Not Non-Christian but certainly non-sectarian. |
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unblock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-14-07 05:23 AM Response to Reply #36 |
37. i agree, i meant "not a christian nation" |
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Nick at Noon (100 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-14-07 06:29 AM Response to Reply #36 |
40. Our Founders were non-sectarian Christians |
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Lance_Boyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-14-07 12:57 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. Do you have any evidence for your '90+ percent' claim? |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-14-07 01:16 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. Read the Treaty of Tripoli - 1796 |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-14-07 03:03 PM Response to Reply #40 |
46. Why the hell to freeper trolls always post in code? |
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Igel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-13-07 05:54 PM Response to Original message |
24. At the time the establishment clause was ratified, |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-14-07 01:18 PM Response to Reply #24 |
44. I remember when the Baptists were screaming about John Kennedy. |
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Perky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-14-07 12:41 PM Response to Original message |
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