Do you know about white male anger?

[The Backlash Cometh]

I know it was a term not too long ago, "Angry White Man," but do you all realize how deep their anger goes? It's a concern because I don't think it would take much for them to displace it and target whatever is moving.

I was at a department store yesterday, in the garden section and there were two white men at the register, one was the salesman and the other a customer. They didn't even try to lower their voices when I took my place in line.

"...within two weeks you can start seeing results," said the salesman.

"Oh yeah?"

"You know, all that anger when you just want to shoot someone, well by the end of two weeks, it don't matter anymore."

Second guy guffaws, almost in shock, but recovers. "Yeah, I hear ya."

"Nothing bothers you after that."

Then it's my turn.... Guy seemed normal enough to me. If I hadn't heard the conversation I probably would have never guessed he had anger displacement issues.

Anyone else picking this up from their Repub neighbors or relatives?

[BrklynLiberal]

1. Were they discussing taking some anger relief drug?

[The Backlash Cometh]

29. It sounded like he had gone to some kind of camp.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

73. Maybe he went to therapy

Or maybe, being in the garden section, he was talking about Scott's Phase 2. Man, I put that stuff on my lawn last year.....no more damn dandilions and brown patches. I WAS ready to shoot someone!

[Deep13]

2. WHO THE HELL ARE YOU CALLING ANGRY !!!???? edited

:grr:


:evilgrin:

Yes, I've noticed. There is a real mean-streak among conservative white men in particular. It's surprising to hear in real life even though I already know about it. It's like they don't want to be a part of humanity.

P.S.

So what's so offensive about this thread that someone has unrecced it?

[Bitwit1234]

15. Did you ever think that those type of people gravitate toward

republican party, because the republican party accepts and promotes them. Most of them are very immature and not in the least grown up. They were bullies in school and it has extended into their later years.

They are so used to getting what they want by just taking it as kids they think the world still must give it to them. And that goes for a lot of women also. They can be just as bullying as men. More so.

[Deep13]

16. Yep. Or they were bully victims who have found a way to be...

..."tough guy" bullies themselves.

[The Backlash Cometh]

30. It's difficult to talk about these things because some people don't

think it's PC enough. I don't for one minute believe that this anger these men feel are simply going to be directed at minorities. I fear that the ones that will be hurt the most are the ones who live with them.

[CTyankee]

3. It seems like I see a story of a shooting or other domestic violence almost daily

in my local paper. Often it is violence against women but also against other white male family members. And, of course, children...

[The Backlash Cometh]

31. This is my concern, too.

I wish I had heard more about the place he was talking about. It could be a productive camp, or it could be something else.

[bobbolink]

87. You may remember the thread I posted day before yesterday about the attacks on homeless men?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8776352

Three of the attackers were Army personnel.

Yes, anger directed at the most vulnerable.

[Davis_X_Machina]

4. Helluva band... catch them if they play near you. n/t

[sui generis]

5. this is off base

the term refers to the perception and associated frustration of "white men" no longer being a privileged class, often incited by people who have an agenda to do so.

Can you imagine if someone posted this using "black" instead of "white"?

[EFerrari]

18. But that post couldn't be written using "black" because

the power relations are not interchangeable.

I don't know if the OP gives enough information to draw any conclusions, though.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

25. Oh really? Lemme try.

Do you know about black male anger?

I know it was a term not too long ago, "Angry Black Man," but do you all realize how deep their anger goes? It's a concern because I don't think it would take much for them to displace it and target whatever is moving.

I was at a department store yesterday, in the garden section and there were two black men at the register, one was the salesman and the other a customer. They didn't even try to lower their voices when I took my place in line.

"...within two weeks you can start seeing results," said the salesman.

"Oh yeah?"

"You know, all that anger when you just want to shoot someone, well by the end of two weeks, it don't matter anymore."

Second guy guffaws, almost in shock, but recovers. "Yeah, I hear ya."

"Nothing bothers you after that."

Then it's my turn.... Guy seemed normal enough to me. If I hadn't heard the conversation I probably would have never guessed he had anger displacement issues.
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[EFerrari]

57. Right. I discriminate against poor maligned white men, including my two sons.

lol

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

59. I thought the "LOL" was supposed to make whatever was said okay.

I'm just following your pattern.

[The Backlash Cometh]

32. Well, since we have the label "Black American," I think that it goes

without saying...

[Matariki]

6. No idea what your post is about...

within two weeks of what? why should they have tried to lower their voices when you got in line?

confusatron...

[The Backlash Cometh]

34. Because the guy made no attempt to disguise the fact that he has

had desires to kill someone at some point.

Maybe because I'm a member of a minority group and my ability to speak freely has been castrated due to self-survival concerns. I wouldn't be able to speak openly in the manner that he did. Not without facing consequences.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

7. This seems really bigoted to me.

On your part, that is. If we had this same discussion about a black man making those comments, it'd be bigoted. I'm not sure what being either white or male has to do with that discussion you overheard out of context.

[Deep13]

17. There's a bit of false equivalency in your observation.

You can't replace a majority person with a sense of entitlement and replace him with an oppressed minority and say it is the same thing. It isn't.

[SunnySong]

21. Yeah coause none of the homeless I see are white... white people all live in mansions...

:banghead: :banghead:

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

24. I purposefully said "bigoted" and not "racist"

Bigotry has nothing to do with power or majority status.

big·ot (bgt)
n.
One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/bigot

[The Backlash Cometh]

35. Minorities don't speak that way, at least not openly.

Maybe it comes from living under a microscope?

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

46. ...

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Come to DC. Spend a day here. You'll have plenty of examples contradicting exactly what you said.

[The Backlash Cometh]

48. DC being predominately Democratic?

Okay, let me rephrase that. Living in a right-wing community, minorities don't speak that way.

[Zoeisright]

92. Baloney.

White males have had the power in this country for CENTURIES. Now they're feeling threatened and the anger is real. If you want to deny it, go right ahead.

Oh, and when you find a white man who has been systematically oppressed for decades, let me know. You'll be looking for quite a long time.

[JonLP24]

8. Not sure what the entire conversation was about

I'm thinking "shoot someone" was used sarcastically which I've often heard from people of all walks of life to describe an aggravating situation. I may have but I'm not sure if I have or not. If I did, I certainly wouldn't of meant it like the other people who said similar phrases. Personally, I don't think it is a sign of anger displacement issues, which isn't to say the person you came across, doesn't have them.

[The Backlash Cometh]

36. It was not sarcastically said.

He was being serious.

[Lance_Boyle]

9. Do you know about Thai Ladyboy anger?

Albino Hermaphrodite anger?

This white male wonders what agenda lurks behind your ridiculous slur.

[SunnySong]

22. Thai Ladyboy anger?

Is that a kind of woodcarver rage?

[TroglodyteScholar]

53. +1

Strange to see something this...uh...strong...tolerated on DU.

[The Backlash Cometh]

69. What is the political organization that the Thai's and Hermaphrodite

a part of that has enough power to steal elections? Should I worry about them too?

[snooper2]

10. Don't know about "White Anger", but there was a hispanic lady yesterday at Albertsons

She was "trying" to use the self checker...

Her daughter was trying to explain how you put the items in the bag AFTER you can tell it checked the bar code. She just couldn't figure it out and was getting more and more angry as it kept telling her "Are you using your own bag" - "please wait for assistance" - "please remove item from bagging area" :P

After watching the attitude with her daughter and the poor lady who worked there trying to help her; I was done and got my receipt. I don't think my laughing at her helped her anger issues any either based on the glare I got :rofl:


I think it's the heat doing it more than "white/brown/black" "anger" :P

[The Backlash Cometh]

37. Did she threaten to kill someone?

[proteus_lives]

11. Turn off the stereotyping.

How do you know they were repubs or what they were talking about?

Don't jump to conclusions.

[The Backlash Cometh]

38. I have no idea if they were repubs.

I was wondering if he was suffering from post traumatic syndrome. He was pretty old, maybe even too old for the last two wars.

[EmilyKent]

12. Yes, it's a major problem.

You often see it in comments following articles about the 'Man-cession', or with articles about women now being the majority in colleges and jobs.

Here's a quick example:

http://www.newser.com/story/95468/women-are-the-new-men.html#ixzz0u4M5EYTv

[The Backlash Cometh]

39. Ouch.

It really comes out.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

13. Guy in the post office said, "I'm ready. I got my weapons."

Didn't say when he was gonna use 'em but it sounded like he was expecting Obama to take his guns away, or there to be a revolution.

[SunnySong]

20. Post office employees have been saying that since the late seventies...

Hence the term going postal.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

49. I did not make myself clear. Postal employee was black female.

Customer was white male saying that he had his arsenal and he was ready (like for the revolution). He said "I'm a survivalist".

[The Backlash Cometh]

40. It's like a powder keg looking for a reason to go Mel Gibson.

[RKP5637]

14. Probably attending Beck U. n/t

[SunnySong]

19. Can trust them white men,.. they all bad eggs... thats why I only date woman.

:sarcasm:

[The Backlash Cometh]

41. Hell. I must be addicted to danger.

I married one.

[Cleita]

23. I've heard a lot of it, particularly in male venues

like hardware stores or automotive stores. I think it's mostly posturing and venting.

[The Backlash Cometh]

42. Hmmm...

I don't know. I know a woman, who listens to Beck alot, was concerned because she felt their rights were being taken away because they couldn't make comments about murder. To her it was just venting.

[Cleita]

45. It could be more nefarious, but most of the rednecks

really don't want to go to jail so it's mostly talk.

[The Midway Rebel]

28. Vague, silly, provocative and poorly written OP's like this...

make me angry and, I am white male. It that what you are talking about?

:mad:


BRB...I must go kill something.

[The Backlash Cometh]

43. Let's do a test.

Why don't you go in disguise to one of the right-wing hang-outs and come back and let us know if they talked about transplanting petunias or grafting camelias?

[The Midway Rebel]

47. I'll do that!

As soon as I get my Angry White Man disguise back from the dry cleaners.


Look for my report!


:D

[The Backlash Cometh]

50. Okay. Where do you plan to pick up the motorcycle?

[Fuzz]

33. Funny you should mention this. I was in my car today and turned on Rush, then Sean on the way

home. After listening to a bit of each of their shows, I can see how if you subscribe to that philosophy and listen to people like them you are going to just get angrier and angrier because they are just stoking the fire.

By the way, did you know that the ruling class in this country are all socialist/Democrats? I learned that from Limbaugh today.

[The Backlash Cometh]

44. Stoking is correct.

Maybe they're getting them angry enough to vote in the coming elections?

[undeterred]

51. Maybe they're going to start taking viagra.

[Skip Intro]

52. I'm glad this thread has zero recs. It's that whole broad-brush thng.

A thread on white men based on a conversation you heard between two white men?

Doesn't that, in itself, approach racism?

[The Backlash Cometh]

55. It's not just that. I'm watching the papers and it does look like there's

a lot of wife abuse and murder-suicides. Also, I live in a community which is predominately white, hence the reason why these things are within my horizon.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

61. You need to expand those horizons.

Wife abuse and murder-suicides happen in every community regardless of the predominant race of said community.

[The Backlash Cometh]

64. I can only work with one community at a time.

But thank you for your vote of confidence.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

65. A handy crutch for your bigotry, I'm sure. (nt)

[The Backlash Cometh]

71. Well, seriously Nicholas,

I can only pull from my experiences, and truth be told, if there is any group in this country that lends itself to violent talk, it's usually angry white men. In fact, the outrageous things they say is often the subject of threads on this newsgroup. I guess we're all bigoted from your standpoint. Free Republic is usually a good place to start if you want to see the source of my "bigotry." I haven't dropped in their newsgroup in years, but if they're still up and running you should take a look and get an education.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

76. The problem is with your use of the words "usually" and your portrayal of all white men.

I can cite lyrics from decades of rap music - does that make all black men angry and violent? I can find forums for you that show violent talk from latinos - does that mean they're all angry and violent? Being bigoted is taking a few examples and applying them to the entirety of the group.

That's why we're not "all bigoted from standpoint". I don't make the argument that any particular group is more violent, more angry, or more/less anything else than any other group. But you're sure doing that, and it's most certainly bigoted to do so.

Limited life experience, by the way, is the leading cause of bigotry, so I don't find that to be a great defense. Ignorance is neither bliss, nor a defense.

Conversely, I can find for you plenty of websites of white males (and from members of every demographic) advocating peace, and a great many of those men are here on DU. I can find for you songs written by white men talking about trying to reach out to one another and live in harmony. Do those suddenly not count? Do you not experience those? Why do you willfully ignore them?

[The Backlash Cometh]

80. We will agree to disagree.

I'm not surrounded by peace, love types so I don't write about them. In fact, I see a danger in the way you look at things because it seems steep in a desire to remain PC. My earliest posts on DU were precisely about breaking with old PC Liberal habits and to begin dispensing with sacred cows. We had lost a presidential election and we were all stunned. It was a time to reevaluate and one of the first things that liberals dispensed with was PC stereotypes because they tended to block a person from understanding just how evil the right-wing political machinery was, or comprehend how much in the gutter they were willing to go in order to win.

You are displaying this PC tendency and I refuse to be framed by it. I am telling you that in my world I see a certain kind of personality. You're saying, Oh, fright, don't be mean. I can go clear across the country in my nice little blue state and come up with men who contradict your position.

I don't doubt it for a minute. But I don't live in your blue state. I live in a very red district and I write what I know. The problem with you is that you want everything to be peace and love, and life isn't like that at all. But don't feel bad. You're not the only one that fell into the PC trap. Take a look at Vilsak. The guy was so scared of being considered a racist that he canned his own employee without hearing her side. I, on the other hand, understand where Ms. Sherrod was coming from. I understand her point of view from years back and I understand how her personality could arc and become more tolerant once she had the power in her hands to make choices. The key being, that she had the power in her hands. For her, the fight was over and it was time to use that power in the right way. But not everybody is in the same place. People still have to fight battles in the trenches and peace, love types, such as yourself, don't help the situation.

As for black rap music, you must have missed the memo on that one because lots of people were upset with the lyrics of angry black men. Specifically women. Angry black men never got a pass. Neither should angry white men.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

83. You do realize that's exactly what the angry white racists say to justify themselves too, right?

Just making sure.

I do agree with your comments on Vilsack - and that is a big problem. But to use that to justify stereotyping an entire group of people is utter nonsense too.

And so we're clear, no one's giving a pass to the specific people that are racist, angry, violent scum. All I'm saying is you can't label an entire group based on the actions of a few. Or are you also part of the group that thinks all Muslims are terrorists?

[The Backlash Cometh]

86. No, I don't realize that's exactly what blah, blah, blah.

I think we agreed to disagree. I don't see you as a resource so your opinion remains an opinion.

I'm not sure who you think I might be stereotyping. Around here it is so hardcore right-wing that Democratic men are as conservative as Republicans. I haven't seen many peace, love vans in all the time I lived here. Hummers, SUVs, quite a few.

To be honest about condemning PC, the people that gave me the initial idea to look beyond the box were these very same right-wingers. Some of the things that they saw, took us years to accept. The one thing that comes to mind was how the pro-Israeli lobby group (neo-cons) were influencing our Middle East policy. The right-wingers saw it before we did. They just didn't use the right words to explain their position.

[undergroundpanther]

88. Some people

Really believe if you kill a murdering abusive asshole you somehow become equivalent to the murdering asshole.There is NO moral equivalency there.A murdering abusive asshole kills and maims because they like to do it they get off on it or just because they can,The killer of the asshole however is acting in self defense and from a desire to protect from harm.. The peace love type people's problem is not so much PC but a belief system,that is not true in reality. The belief is some variation of all people are inherently good and evil personalities can or want to change and can grow a conscience.You cannot get certain personalities to change who they ARE,which shows up in their behavior twords others by giving these toxic people 'pity',"compassion" and more "love" .They don't care about you or your love. And if they don't care what anyone thinks,or does to them, and if they see you as prey,inferior ,in the way of what they want to take,or as someone to abuse, you damn well better give up on pacifism.They will destroy you.Pacifism fails when the person hurting you feels no remorse or shame about hurting an innocent.No one should feel shame in hurting an attacker or punching and abuser's face in.Nothing stops them but a boundary and sadly that boundary may have to be reinforced by putting your fist in their face.

The "new age" and other beliefs these love peace types apply like solipsists to all people regardless of character quality has basically rendered too many people stuck in make believe about the reality that some people really DO want to abuse people, like to abuse power and want to get away with it and really think are entitled to take whatever they want, do and say whatever they want and never be held accountable by anyone else, especially those victimized.Some people really are without conscience and having no conscience makes them dangerous to exist around people WITH a conscience,and social structures that are supposed to have integrity..

[A-Schwarzenegger]

54. Huh?

Uh, what? :*

[TwilightGardener]

56. Er...what difference does race or gender make? I'm a white female, I've been

angry enough to rip someone's liver out at times--I don't think that's some kind of syndrome or trend, however. You can't generalize based on snippets of conversation.

[bemildred]

58. I'm a white male, I'm not angry.

I don't like being angry, it ruins your day.

[political_Dem]

60. It's everywhere--especially when it has to do with Mr. Obama being POTUS.

The concept of a Black man being the President of a powerful Western nation, strikes a blow against the old boys club. And it makes some white males (and some white folks in general) angry. Such animus is especially transferred into the formation of "grassroots" movements like the Teabaggers or any other group that hides their true intentions under the guise of "getting their country back".

[The Backlash Cometh]

68. Yeah. I suspect that this is one of the things that's stoking them.

[Radical Activist]

62. Yes, men expressing anger or human emotion is scary.

Only women are allowed to do that.
:eyes:

[The Backlash Cometh]

67. I don't doubt that women are capable of doing much worse.

[uncommon]

63. They can feel their privilege very slowly slipping away...

such a sad sad thing.

:puke:

[The Backlash Cometh]

66. This is something worth keeping an eye on.

Maybe it's because I live in a community that's full of these people that this newsgroup views as our nemesis, that I am just waiting to see what their next move will be.

From what I can tell, they're simmering. We would be foolish to believe otherwise, since this newsgroup was created at a time when we all needed some kind place to lick our wounds after our election losses. The thing is, the right doesn't do things logically. They very much believe in might makes right.

[uncommon]

79. Oh it's definitely scary, and something to be aware of. People do not like to lose

what they view as their rights - never mind that they aren't rights, just privileges handed down from generation to generation.

I have an aunt who is a fanatical teabagger - she makes less money than I do, so I know she doesn't pay a heck of a lot in taxes percentage-wise - but she is middle aged, middle class, and white.

It's all based on fear, and the fear is based on the intangible (to most) sense of loss as the disenfranchised slowly (very very slowly) gain power.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

70. I'm an angry white male Democrat

I scream at the TV all the time when I see teabaggers and Repuke politicians lie.

Guess I should be locked up.

P.S. Boooogidy boogidy booo!

[The Backlash Cometh]

72. As long as you don't threaten bodily harm, you haven't gone over the edge.

But if you do, then I would definitely agree you have anger issues.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

75. Well, I was threatened with bodily harm once.

But I doubt you want to hear the circumstances. It'll probably ruin your whole thesis.

[The Backlash Cometh]

81. No, I wouldn't be surprised that there are angry black men out there

if that is what you're referring to. The point being that just because this thread specifically is concerned about Angry White Males, doesn't mean that Angry Black Men don't exist. They may be angry for different reasons. That's the point.

[undergroundpanther]

89. If a bully punches me because of some bigot bullshit in his head

I'm gonna punch him back until he can't punch me again.. I'm not a punching bag for assholes.

If you aren't a bully asshole,I have no desire to punch you and you probably wouldn't be trying to punch me.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

74. "within two weeks you start seeing results"

The salesman was probably talking about growing a Chia pet and the ability it has to soothe the savage breast.

Yes, I sometimes want to shoot everyone around me, but then I think of the green fuzzy chia pet, and I am at peace.

:hi:

(just kidding about wanting to shoot everyone around me. mostly it's just the driver in the next lane with the cell phone)

[The Backlash Cometh]

82. I actually softened what he said.

I wish I could remember it word for word. It alarmed me, and it alarmed the customer he was talking to.

[Rex]

77. I know you are being sincere in this post

but if that is all of the conversation you heard, it really could be about anything. I will of course take a guess.

Maybe it was about drinking a lot of beer or smoking weed to relieve stress. These RWing idiots act like they own anger (Repukes always lay claim to everything). I am white male anger, George Bush and Dick Cheney just drove me that far. Do I want to shoot someone? No, I let the violent idiots on the Right fantasize about that. THAT is what we should fear...that right-wingers WILL shoot and kill people over their flash ideologies they just learned on Fox News.

Anger management is a real issue and I suspect will multiply around the country when we bring our troops home (FINALLY ONE DAY, DREAM AND HOPE) and they start suffering hallucinations in a grocery store. Repukes need to take a look at what they have created over the past decade, the anger won't be placed at Obama's feet...these soldiers remember who sent them, you better believe it.

[The Backlash Cometh]

84. As I pointed out earlier, I heard more than what I wrote, but because

I can't remember it word for word or it would have raised more brows.

In another situation, that same day. I went to the "Y" and there were five police cars outside. I almost got run over by one of the police cars when the driver proceeded to drive with such urgency, as if the place wasn't a natural crosswalk, which it was. On the way in I heard two of the attendants. Can you believe someone had threatened someone's life? I'm thinking, this is just too weird. Then someone talked about schizophrenia. I didn't bother getting more information. Heaven forbid that two incidents in the same day would blow someone's mind off.

[Taverner]

78. Its because they feel "white privlege" slipping away

They might have to share their toys, and these are petulant children in a state of arrested development.

Add to that their love of guns and urban assault vehicles and you've got a recipe for disaster

[The Backlash Cometh]

85. I don't doubt that a lot of adjustment is occurring in this difficult times.

I just don't know where they're going to go for succor when their own churches gave them their blessing to follow this ill-fated path.

[undergroundpanther]

90. they'll let it out on someone

vulnerable,different or whatever their scapegoat du jour is.Just as long as they think they are powerless enough to not fight back, don't have social clout or supports or enough money to sue.Hence asshole bullies attack animals,the homeless,disabled, kids, women, minorities,gays..As long as they get away with it,they'll exploit,abuse, hate the powerless, poor,vulnerable and different.

[LatteLibertine]

91. I'd say

rhetoric like this is likely going to end up alienating white independent voters. That probably isn't a good idea at this point.