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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-10 10:01 PM
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Why didn't the Dems ever sue the Bush Campaign for "free speech zones"?
Edited on Mon Jul-19-10 10:03 PM by napi21
I'm listening to Norm Goldman's show on the radio via the KPOJ stream. They were just talking about the teabaggers, and people bringing guns to Obama's events. WHY didn't the Dems ever sue the Campaign, the Pubs or anyone else for breaching first amendment rights infringements or illegal impriosnment in those damn "free speech zones"?

I think we shouldn't be surprised that the Dems are such whimps while controlling both houses when they never could fight against the obvious things in the past.

Sorry, edited for the old typo!
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-10 10:04 PM
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1. Because organizing Dems is like herding cats.
We don't usually respond to groupthink (as is witnessed on DU every day); doesn't mean Dems are wimps. Pukes on the other hand - they fall in line and march in lockstep because they can't think past the rhetoric.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-10 10:12 PM
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2. Oh stop with the hearding cats mytholigy! There should have been enough dems to do
that and they didn't! I'm sorry, but I'm only one little old lady here in Ga. but I've had my fights with the nutballs. Are you really trying to convince me that the Dems in DC. are stronger than ME? Yea, right. They're chicken sh*ts!
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-10 10:16 PM
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3. Democratic Party established speech cages at their convention in Boston.
Speech cages appear to be another duopoly feature of the new security state.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-10 10:27 PM
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5. Yep and security state = emerging police state IMO. n/t
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metapunditedgy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-10 10:34 PM
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8. Pretty crappy cages, too. But people walked right out of them, and fortunately
it didn't seem to be a big deal.

Maybe the worst part about the cages was that some obnoxious evangelist set up with a loudspeaker in the cage. Forcing everybody to listen to their right-wing crap.

(Most of the demonstrators I remember in 2004/Boston were on the left, if I remember right.)
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-10 10:24 PM
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4. Glad you asked, I've been wondering the same. Bush practically herded people
into cages with their chained linked area for the protesters and then the MSM complicity ignored them for the most part.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-10 10:28 PM
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6. To hell with the Dems
Why didn't ordinary non-party members sue the Bush Campaign?

Are official Dems the only ones with the power to bring a lawsuit?

Ordinary citizens can still file federal lawsuits, right?

Or was it tried and got nowhere? (I wouldn't be surprised)
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-10 10:31 PM
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7. why didn't the aclu sue?
?
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-10 10:51 PM
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11. They have.
Generally the security state refuses to let these cases get into court.
http://www.aclu.org/free-speech/right-protest

why would you assume they haven't?
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csziggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-10 10:38 PM
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9. My sister was herded into "free speech zones" more than once
In the Tampa Bay are. I don't think she ever thought about suing. She just keeps exercising her free speech every chance she got and raising hell against the system.

For her, the time spent in court would interfere with her time fighting things like the wars, Wal-Mart (she has twice worked with groups to stop a Wal-Mart from moving into her neighborhood), ridiculous property tax raises, rescuing wildlife and generally sticking her nose into every cause she can. And she still takes the time to check on our parents weekly and go fossil hunting.

I suspect many activists are like her - there are better things to do than to spend time pushing a case through the courts.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-10 10:39 PM
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10. They were started under Clinton, or maybe Poppy
Maybe after Portland, but Clinton kept them. Something like that. But Dems use them too and will probably continue to. Cities have the right to issue permits for parades, festivals, and other events where people are exercising their freedom of assembly rights.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 12:26 AM
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12. I know cities have the right to issue or deny permits, but not to
deny peaceful demonstrations, AFAIK. I still don't understand how the Shrubs got away with this BS. All they were trying to do is keep poor Shrubs eyes away from seeing any opposition.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 03:06 AM
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18. Clinton did have them. But that was because Monica kept jumping over the velvet rope.
She just couldn't resist "delivering pizza" to the big galoot.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 12:28 AM
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13. DLC.
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Electric Monk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 12:40 AM
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14. There is no monster under your bed. The monster is your bed.
/Colbert

//sweet dreams
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 01:13 AM
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15. They were too busy typing about Dems leadership being wimpy
on the Internet.
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 02:22 AM
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16. Um, protesters have been preemptively arrested & detained w/o reasonable grounds, &
Edited on Tue Jul-20-10 02:23 AM by snot
in jail.

They could not walk away.

I'm not sure what's going on with this thread, but I'm concerned that some of you may have missed some facts.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 03:21 AM
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19. That's how I remember it also.
Protesters were herded into these chain link areas and then they were bussed off to jail cells.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 03:03 AM
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17. Because they were afraid they would lose in Roberts' Supreme Court - full of righties, don't cha no
We need to replace a conservative with a liberal and change the equation from a 4-5 liberal court to a 5-4 liberal court in order to perform a paradigm shift on the laws that are passed in this country that will pass the smell test with the highest court in the land.

That's why I always vote Democrat.
Hell, I used to be a "yellow dog" Democrat.
Nowadays, I don't even check the color of the dog I'm voting for.

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