Hung by his own petard...Beck is circling the drain RIGHT NOW

[Boxerfan]

The freakshow went into overdrive & I'm just waiting through a commercial break.

Fatwa boy has chided christians for being all nice to the poor & stuff. Told his schmucks to tell thier pastors what REAL christians do for the poor...(Nothing).

So I guess some of 'em got fed up & are running an add nailing Beck to the wall for his slice & dice version of the bible.

It is not going well....Goat noises & frat boy derision is all he can muster as a response


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[NotThisTime]

1. hmm, makes me wonder what he's saying??

[roguevalley]

35. say what you will, Mormons take care of the poor. they tend to be

very self sufficient

[Canuckistanian]

42. That's what puzzles me

I always wondered why the LDS elders don't pummel him for misrepresentation of their faith....

[Hamlette]

45. The LDS church is not as generous to the poor as you might think AND they only help LDS poor

and then, with strings attached. In my experience. Not only that, when the feds came in and wanted to do outreach for food stamps because they are underused in Utah, our legislature had a fit and prevented it.

Beck is right in line with Mormons, IMHO.

Catholic Charities is much better at helping the poor. No strings. Will help anyone regardless of faith.

Helping only those of your faith, is not what Christ taught. IMHO.

[aquart]

67. You are correct.

That was the whole point of the good Samaritan parable.

[Raster]

46. mormons take care of THEIR poor, with plenty of strings.

Nothing, and I do mean NOTHING, comes just from the goodness of their hearts with the mormons. Nothing. There is always a catch. I know. I was raised mormon.

[rhett o rick]

48. Being self sufficient and taking care of the poor are two separate things.

They take care of their own.

[AnArmyVeteran]

50. That's true, but they sit with every family and get every dime of their gross pay

I had a lot of friends who were Mormons and I remember days when a church elder would visit and go over the families tax forms and see exactly what they were making so they knew how much to expect from them in donations. I don't know if this is a church requirement or something local.

I do admire the way real Mormons band together and how families keep six months of food/water and a financial nestegg. They are one church that is loyal to its flock. But I thought that money thing was pretty invasive.

[donquijoterocket]

65. selective care

My considerable experience with Mormons garnered from living in far western Colorado cheek by jowl with hordes of them leads me to believe they are quite selective in offering aid namely in that they're always looking for converts and anyone who shows any sign of refusing to become subservient to the church is ignored and left to fend. I've no truck with that church, or any other, for that matter,but I find them no more admirable than many other people I've seen who offer real assistance out of nothing more than a belief in the intrinsic value of humanity and the need for dignity.If Glennda the Beckerhead is nothing else he's an excellent example of the worst sort of superficially religious and the worst sort of Mormon.

[johncoby2]

53. Settle down. Nothing is going to happen to Beck

Nothing at all.

[DevonRex]

2. Really??? This is good. Heck, even my brother's church

goes and gets women at battered women's shelters and feeds them and their children. And he's as fundy as he can get.

[Progressive_In_NC]

62. That's the number one tenant of the bible....widows, children, abandoned women and the poor

If you aren't taking care of those groups, you aren't even trying to be a Christian church. The text is as plain as day.

[aquart]

68. Tenet.

[Progressive_In_NC]

76. that's what I get for typing so fast... thanks.....NT

[JDPriestly]

64. Yes. It's a control thing.

Fundamentalists want to control which poor their money goes to. They want to give advice to those who receive their charity. They want to charge a spiritual price for their largess.

I remember attending a meeting a homeless organization run by one of the local mission churches some years ago. Our meeting was held in the large assembly room that doubled as a classroom. Someone had written on the board some horrible threat of hell for the sinful.

I have no doubt that behavior the fundamentalists consider to be sin leads to a miserable life. I also realize that a lot of people on DU are atheists and before I go on, I want to say that I respect that. But, as I read the Bible, Jesus had unconditional love even for those who had lead what fundamentalists call lives of sin. He also warned against judging others and he said that you should pray in private.

The charity of fundamentalists is often but not always simply a means to get converts -- to make people agree with them and attend their churches.

That is not, in my view, the spirit of Christianity, but it explains why fundamentalists don't want to pay taxes for government charitable and social programs.

Fundamentalists do not see taking care of the poor as a function of maintaining a healthy society. They see it as a tool for indoctrination into their religion.

[DevonRex]

72. I agree. The one thing that makes me feel a tiny bit better about

where my brother's church goes to feed the poor is that those shelters have a high, quick turnover rate, so they only have 1 or 2 days or even 1 or 2 meals to get their hands on converts.

Small hope, I know. But it's all I have.

[prolesunited]

78. This is spot on

"Fundamentalists do not see taking care of the poor as a function of maintaining a healthy society. They see it as a tool for indoctrination into their religion."

That's why there is always an emphasis on "deserving poor" and those "truly in need." They want to be the arbiters of who is deserving and in need. My guess is that it will be a very narrowly defined group.

If churches were doing such a bang-up job of taking care of the poor, sick and elderly, why would any of these programs have been created in the first place. Well-documented evidence exists that millions and millions of people were left behind by charities.

[SunnySong]

84. For all the church bashing around here there are a lot of them (even fundy ones) that do good works.

[babylonsister]

3. Faithful America's ad is at this link...

and they're not happy!

http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/07/15/faith-based-group-fires-back-at-glenn-beck/



Faith-Based Group Fires Back at Glenn Beck
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8758161

[Boxerfan]

6. Thanks for the link...

I was hoping someone would post it...

Social justice Mr. Beck...Your table is served!

[livetohike]

4. There's a mental institution somewhere that needs a resident

Someone please rid us of this vermin.

[Cetacea]

85. And they would welcome him...why?

Please don't equate Beck with people who are suffering. Thanks

[Renew Deal]

5. Isn't Beck NOT a Christian?

Do his followers think about that when they receive religious advice from him?

[activa8tr]

11. Do his followers THINK???? n/t

[Posteritatis]

17. hahahahaha! You said "his followers think"! (nt)

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

22. He's a Mormon. They believe in the divinity of Jesus, so... Christians.

Weird Christians, maybe, but Christians nonetheless.

(Of course, the most rabid Protestant extremists believe even Catholics aren't Christians, but they can go fuck themselves.)

[Bette Noir]

60. By your lights, maybe.

As far as I'm concerned, Mormons have the same relationship to Christianity that Muslims have. They took the book, and added stuff to it that is completely *not* the same stuff. I respect Muslims more, because they don't pretend to be Christian.

I've never been a "rabid Protestant extremist." I was raised Lutheran, evolved into some sort of Unitarian agnostic, and definitely include Catholics in the Christian fold. But not Mormons.

[MellowDem]

77. Catholics believe Protestants aren't Christians...

at least officially. I cannot take communion in a Catholic Church, for example. And if they went to a Protestant church, it would be like they hadn't really been to church. Years with a ass-fuck of a Catholic Aunt taught me all about that. Catholics are the only Christians according to the church. Most mainline Protestants consider Catholics Christians as well, though some of the evangelicals do not, so they're only really returning the favor, so to speak. It's why Catholics killed hundreds of thousands of German Protestants in the Thirty Years War. Well, it was the excuse at least used to conquer more territory and kill a bunch of people that lived there.

Mormonism is to Christianity what Christianity is to Judaism. They're Abrahamic religions, but fundamentally different in that Christianity has a whole other text, the New Testament, that differentiates them. Same with Mormonism and the Book of Mormon. So really, they aren't Christians to me, they are a Christian sect, just like Christianity is a Jewish sect. However, Mormons have done all they can to try to fit in with the mainstream of America, even changing some of their rules about marrying, much less trying to portray themselves as Christians. They used to be discriminated against a lot, so makes sense I guess.

[reformist2]

83. ???

I've never heard that before. I was brought up Catholic, and I was taught that Protestants are Christians.

[MellowDem]

88. I was wrong...

You are correct that they are thought of as Christians. Just heretical Christians. I was only told the heretic part, and assumed from there it wasn't possible to be a Christian.

[Maeve]

86. That is incorrect--Pretestants are Christians, but not "in communion" with the Catholic Church

Because there is a different understanding of what "communion" means. And that is from the official Catechism, paragraph 1400, concerning the Celebration of the Christian Mystery.
All who are baptized "in the name of the Father, and the Son and the Holy Spirit" are considered Christians by Catholic theology. Mormons (and a few other sects), because of a differing understanding of the Trinity, would need to be rebaptized to join the Catholic church; mainstream Protestants (Methodists,for example) do not.

[MellowDem]

87. You are correct...

I suppose my Cathoic relatives were wrong about the official stance. As it is, most Catholics I know don't think much of it. Officially, Protetants are material heretics, though my Aunt treated us more like heretics in general.

[elleng]

7. Excellent

“He has gone after what's at the heart of what we believe our faith tradition says,” Beth Dahlman, Faithful America's online organizer, told TIME. “For people in our community, there is just no way to read scripture and not think about social justice. It's our obligation as people of faith to take that seriously and to do all we can to make that good news a reality.”

But the ad does not just finger Beck—it also challenges Christians to listen more closely to their own Scriptures instead of believing Beck's version of Christian mission. “Would you support a leader who said Jesus' teachings can lead to Nazism, or who attacks Christians pastors for preaching the full gospel? Then why do so many Christians tune in to Glenn Beck?”



Read more: http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/07/15/faith-based-group-fires-back-at-glenn-beck/#ixzz0trkJtguV

[Erose999]

19. Beck is Mormom aka LDS. His followers aren't as aware of this as they should be

most x-ian fundies consider LDS beliefs as heretical.

[tex-wyo-dem]

47. that IS excellent!

I applaud Ms. Dahiman"s statment...she pretty much nails what Jesus (and every other majorspirtual leader throughout time has) preached...social juistice. Of course, those two words are poison to the wealthy elite, which expains Beck's pimping.

[Spazito]

8. Love it!

Very good ad! I love that the ad is going to follow him on his 'tour', it's perfect.

Recommended.

[Missy Vixen]

9. Evidently, Beck does not have any reading comprehension to speak of

The New Testament commands Christians to care for the poor.

I'm sure Glenn Beck isn't interested in that, though.

:woohoo:

[Boxerfan]

10. oph yeah-lets not forget yesterdays golden moment

When he blamed the jews for killing Jesus.

[Uncle Joe]

12. You can expect a "Jimmy Swaggart moment" coming from Beck in the near future

and it will have all the sincerity of a crying crocodile stoned on Vics Vapo Rub.

Thanks for the thread, Boxerfan.

[blondeatlast]

31. "...all the sincerity of a crying crocodile stoned on Vics Vapo Rub." Beck in a nutshell.

Kudos! :thumbsup:

[Erose999]

75. The crying and acting like a televangelist will be nothing new. I mean he's alread got himself a

diploma mill, and a Tammy Faye Bakker making video on youtube as well.

The only thing he's really missing is a 1-800 number his followers can call to donate cash.

[DefenseLawyer]

13. I've seen this movie before too

[thereismore]

14. That should be hoisted by his own petard. But I love it. Beck is a Mormon, does not use the Bible.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

23. Actually they do. They just tack on an additional book -- the Book of Mormon.

That's the one that says Hebrews emigrated to the Americas, and God's curse onto Cain created the Black race. Among other things. :crazy:

[thereismore]

41. I know, but the New Testament is just a token. They do not study it. That's what I meant. nt

[Raschel]

70. And something about the planet gorp and looking into hats?

[lpbk2713]

15. Poor misunderstood baby.

It was bad enough for him when all his advertisers bailed out on him in droves.

But now his sheepies are telling him to get lost. Piss on him.


:rofl:

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[lpbk2713]

28. I always heard BecKKK looks up to GW Bush.

Darn shame this is what Smirky does in return.


:rofl:

[quaker bill]

73. He is one of the very few people

who actually should look up to GWB. From where he is at, becoming Bush like would be an advance.

[kenny blankenship]

16. Hopefully he'll start doing a Mel Gibson impression, screaming and f-bombing

driving away the last of his sponsors, and we can all start to forget about him.

[Erose999]

21. As he loses ad $$$ I'm thinking he will go full-on televangelist and just beg people to send $$$ nt

[madamesilverspurs]

18. Beck won't go quietly.

When the time comes for him to be ejected from his pulpit, he'll call on his remaining devotees to defend his cause by inciting them to some heinous action, after which he'll blame them for misinterpreting him. He will retain, of course, his eternal skidmark status.


-

[Canuckistanian]

43. I'd LOVE to hear him scream and moan

He doesn't HAVE enough "devotees" to make a dent in anything.

Let him run for President and see how much campaign money he can scare up. That'll be a wake-up call.

[EC]

20. Why can't his watchers figure out that if he is

misrepresenting the bible, he is more than likely misrepresenting everything else?

[Solomon]

32. White supremacy has been misrepresenting the bible for

centuries. Nothing new to these folks.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

33. probly because he HELPS them

to tune into their inner reptile and HATE more viscerally!!

;)




well, I sure enjoy hating HIM, and that's a fact!


(**apologies to all actual reptiles. And amphibians, just for good measure**)

[fascisthunter]

24. Beck is a disgusting human being... he will say and do whatever for money

and for his fanatical right wing fascist agenda.

[Ganja Ninja]

25. I'm waiting for the day when he blows his brains out in front of a live audience.

He's almost too nutty even for FOX.:popcorn:

[immoderate]

36. Daffy Duck has already done that act.

--imm

[JoePhilly]

38. You know O'Reilly and Hannity are praying for that ... nt

[Mopar151]

80. The music is all ready

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8Wh3Jk38TM&feature=related

Supposedly inspired by the televised suicide of disgraced Pa. state offical Budd Dwyer

[Obamanaut]

27. Inasmuch as a petard is a kind of bomb, how is one hung (or hanged) by one? nt

[DefenseLawyer]

29. Hoist by his own petard

is what they were going for.

[Solomon]

34. Hey, it's all good. LOL

All of it works for me.

[Hubert Flottz]

30. The only thing Beck don't have yet, is...

his very own Jim Jones Kool-Aid dispenser.

[Erose999]

81. No he's got that too... ever seen the merch section of his site?

[David Zephyr]

37. Just Tell Folks it's The Mormon Hour Hosted by Glen Beck

And the other one is The Scientology Hour hosted by Greta Van Susteren.

That's all you need to tell people.

It's the truth.

They get it.

And the great majority of folks don't know it and are repulsed to find out.

Spread the word.

[Rex]

39. Oh GOODY! I hope this is Glenn's 'McCarthy' moment!

I'd DVR it if I had cable, which I don't because I hate the M$M and pretty much anything on TVEE today.

You don't FUCK with fundies unless you are READY FOR A FIGHT, they ain't tame or domesticated.

[RagAss]

40. No Doubt in My Mind....This Guy is On Our Side....Our Secret Agent !

[Turborama]

52. I've actually heard Alex Jones espouse this theory.

They're as bad as each other at making up conspiratorial bullshit.

[Erose999]

82. They are both equally bad, and both use the same RW conspiracy website World News Daily as

their primary source for their "news".

[Mopar151]

44. Perhaps we could arrange some snake handlers

to assist Glen in proving his devotion and faith in the Lawd. The folks from the "Church of God with Signs Following" will help Glen distance himself from the namby-pamby "nice" Christians.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_God_with_Signs_Following

I am not making fun of those who take up serpents. They are seriously crazy, by our standards, but their faith is strong - unlike Beck's, which is all sham. Perhaps the brethren of Jolo, WV will assist those of us who question "The Rodeo Clown"s faith in divining the truth.
"Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you. (Luke 10:19)"

[quiet.american]

49. I welcome any news of that psycho's downward spiral. Thumbs up. nt

[NYC Liberal]

51. LOL! Anything that exposes Glenn Blech for what he is

is good by me!

I wonder if there'll be video :rofl:

[gtar100]

54. People sure love a freak show.

B-S crazy keeps the publicity train rolling.

[readmoreoften]

55. Don't underestimate funded fascists. What sounds crazy to you and I, may make sense to his followers

[greiner3]

56. So some xtian heads will denounce him from their pulpit;

That might lose beck a small proportion of his followers. But the mainstay of beck is the devotion of his bosses (read ailes and murdock) seem to be unshakable. It is they that need to be convinced that beck is a blight upon the land. But careful what you wish for. beck's replacement might be savage or worse.

[Joe Bacon]

57. They won't denounce him

No preacher will challenge Beck because he espouses the True American ¢hri$tianty espoused by Ayn as in Mine Rand!

[Dave From Canada]

58. It's hanged, not hung. And you can't be hanged with a petard. You really butchered that one!

[pinboy3niner]

61. Hoisting one to you for precision

:toast:

[Sheepshank]

59. Perhaps publicizing Beck's Mormonism would be a good thing

Other Christian Fundies would start seeing the error in listening to Beck, at the very least would hear Beck's messages from his tainined perpective with little credibility when he touts religious clap trap. I've heard LDS leaders clearly state that Beck doesn't speak for the LDS faith. A little rebuke, but certainly a slap on the wrists enough to send some Mormons into a tailspin too.

I see this possibility as a win-win :)

[Hamlette]

63. Beck is probably trying to get out of tithing his 10% and seeing it go to the poor

by trying to get the churches to stop using it to help the poor.

If he's mormon, there is great pressure on him to tithe 10% of his gross income.

It prolly kills him to write a check with that many zeros knowing some of it goes to poor people who he considers lazy and unworthy.

[iamthebandfanman]

66. yah, most christians consider mormons

a cult.

[frogmarch]

69. Rapid City teabaggers are

planning to raise $10,000 by fall to bring Glenn Beck to Rapid City. The thought of Beck visiting Mt. Rushmore while in Rapid makes me ill. His very presence would defile it.

Tea baggers don't care what lies and filth Beck spews. They'll continue to be his faithful minions, regardless.

[guardian]

71. FYI

the phrase is HOISTED by his own petard, not HUNG. Either way you are braver than me if you can stomach watching the Beckster.

[Initech]

74. So according to Glenn, helping the poor is a bad thing? WTF?

[lib2DaBone]

79. Beck is a Circus Performer.. nothing more.. nothing less....

He is on TV to get ratings and sell soap powder... and if he can do it at the expense of STUPID people... all the more power...