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Kievan Rus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 10:30 PM
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What was it that turned you against mindless consumerism/the rat race?
I was only fourteen when I took the proverbial red pill and saw the rat race and brainless consumerism for what it was and decided it was not for me, and a waste of time. Humanity has debated what the "meaning of life" is, or if even such a concept exists; rest assured, the meaning of life sure as hell isn't the mindless acquisition of wealth and material possessions to the detriment of everything else. That there are several things in life more important than mindless consuming and material possessions. That the definition of success can mean something other than having a bigger wallet and more material junk than the person standing next to you.

There is a family friend that occasionally shows up at family functions that I dread having to see (he knows my uncle via a business relationship). In short, he is a rigidly, un-apologetic pro-corporatist right-winger, and an unapologetic materialist and consumerist. He grew up in the materialistic yuppie generation of the 1980s, and it shows. Oddly enough, for as happy as he claims materialism and consumerism make people, he is probably one of the most bitter, disagreeable and unhappy people I have met in my entire life. He has been rather critical of religion on past occasions; but never because of its oppression of women, promotion of pseudoscience by fundamentalists of various faiths, or social conservatives attempting to erode U.S. separation of church and state. Instead, he is often critical of the notions of egalitarianism, social justice and asceticism found in most of the world's major religions; in his mind, all they do is interfere with his perverse notion of "success." He's in the upper echelon of the upper-middle-class but buys the nonsense that he will one day be rich himself, and implicitly looks down upon anybody below his social status. Unsurprisingly, this person is not married and does not have any children -- perhaps if he did, he'd realize how pointless consumerism is.

He's had a few "greatest hits" over the years. Once, at a family Christmas get-together, he railed against Charles Dickens' classic "A Christmas Carol." He claimed that the story had an "anti-wealth" theme and demonized people that were "successful." On more than one occasion, he has railed about Federal tax brackets and has even gone as far to suggest that progressive taxation is for "lazy people" and "welfare kings and queens" (well, at least he wasn't being sexist). In recent times, he's been rather critical of President Obama for being "thoroughly anti-wealthy." He's actually said that there's nothing wrong with taxpayer money being used to support the private ventures of the already well-off.

However, his biggest thing is his twisted definition of "success," which he constantly bloviates about. And at a family Memorial Day function when I was in eighth grade and about to move on to high school, he wanted to give me and my cousins a little diatribe about his warped consumerist ideology, and he hoped, brainwash him into his selfish system as well.

He started out his diatribe by saying that for young people like ourselves, that absolutely, positively, nothing was more important than school (while school is pretty important, anybody who thinks it's more important than anything has some pretty big issues). He bloviated that it was more important than happiness, friendship, our own families, a person's religious faith if they so had it, and even our own healthy development as human beings in a mental and physical sense. He immediately lost both me and my family members listening; like I mentioned earlier, we agreed that it was important, but not that important. He shot back with the only reason that it mattered at all had nothing to do with getting an education, becoming well-rounded citizens, or finding something that we enjoyed and could make a solid career out of; nope, the only reason it mattered was "getting ahead" in the rat race and "success." Continuing unabated over the objections of other people, he mentioned that in his mind, "success" was the only thing that mattered in life; and his definition of "success" was having lots of money and material possessions. Several other family members, my parents included, disagreed with what he had to say; but arguing with him was like talking to a brick wall. He suggested that my cousins and I, upon reaching college, should major in something that paid well instead of something that we were good at or enjoyed doing; because again, "success" was all that mattered. He basically mentioned that we ought to do "whatever it takes" to achieve his version of "success." When several people mentioned that success, after all, was pretty subjective -- he responded that getting rich and having lots of material possessions and money were what "mattered in a capitalist society" -- and then mentioned during his bloviation that anybody who disagreed should go live in a Communist country. A debate continued for a few minutes, but realizing that he was getting nowhere; finally stopped and started to talk about something else, as if he was trying to forget the whole episode.

As I digested all the nonsense I had heard, one profound thought came to my mind -- that there was certainly more to life than an addiction to material possessions and stuff; and that whatever the meaning of life was, it certainly wasn't to acquire as much wealth and as many material possessions as possible. My mind just kept on finding holes in his stupid rant. His "'success' at all costs" notion struck me as being rather immoral. Furthermore, success was subjective, not objective -- and that according to this guy, if one really had a passion for a particular career path, was good at it, was happy in it, but made little money doing it -- that was not success in his mind. That for somebody that was so certain that money could "buy happiness," yet seemed so miserable; and an aside -- over the years, I've noticed that most hardcore consumerists are very unhappy at their core. I thought about just how much his materialistic nonsense clashed with what I had been taught about in church at our social-justice oriented Lutheran church. I realized that, contrary to his rambling, there were reasons for school other than his mindless rat race. I also realized that there were so many things more important than consumerism, wealth, and material possessions. Your own health, for one -- what good is a mountain of stuff if you're unhealthy? Religious beliefs in those that hold them -- primarily because it is a common theme in Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, so forth and so on -- that the mindless pursuit of wealth is bad and immoral. Happiness -- because you only get one life and it's too short to be obsessed about the rat race; and for somebody that seemed to extol the virtues of materialism so much, this guy seemed so miserable. Family and friends -- humans are social creatures, and our fellow man is more important than how big your checkbook or house is. While this was about 18 months prior 9/11 and 5 years prior Katrina (two events that showed at least some people the stupidity of consumerism and that some things mattered so much more), I remembered other tragedies such as the federal building bombing in Oklahoma and Hurricane Andrew in Florida; and that people could have cared less about their stuff; but they did care about that their friends and family if they survived, or grieved for them if they were killed. This guy tried to turn me into a consumerist -- and yet I saw how mindless and stupid it was.

What experiences did you have that turned you away from mindless consumerism and showed you how well, mindless and no good it was?
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 10:33 PM
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1. I'm immune from consumerism except when it comes to gadgets.
Don't need fancy digs or a fancy car but give me the latest and fastest and most convenient tech toys and I am a happy camper.
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NRaleighLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 10:34 PM
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2. Easy for me - was how I was raised, and it made sense.
My parents were lower middle class, we had what we needed but nothing unnecessary - yet were always pretty happy. Got married to a like minded wonderful woman, started in debt (from school) and with little, and are pretty happy with much less "stuff" than most of our friends. Much of what we see in the world these days makes little to no sense to us.
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AnArmyVeteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 10:35 PM
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3. I've been debt free for years and only pay with cash.
Edited on Thu Jul-15-10 10:43 PM by AnArmyVeteran
I don't buy anything on credit. If I don't have the money in the bank I don't buy anything. It's that simple. I haven't paid a dime in credit card interest. The only interest I paid was on a house, which I paid off early to avoid paying outrageous interest rates to corrupt thugs who are running our financial world in this country.

I'm not saying this because I'm perfect or bragging. I took a stand against owing anyone anything a long time ago. I can't be tricked into going into debt by corrupt and deceptive financial criminals. I consider paying interest the same thing as taking money out of my wallet and throwing it in the toilet and flushing it down the sewer system.

It's unfortunate how so many people don't even learn the basics of money management from their homes or in high school. I know almost no school teaches money management courses, but they should be made mandatory in every school in the country. Perhaps then this lust for more, for the latest and for designer clothing would evaporate and people would again live within their means. But something tells me that schools do not want to teach kids how to be financially responsible, especially conservatives because they believe buying is the lifeblood of their holy capitalism.

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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-10 08:03 AM
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25. Thrift is considered a mental disorder now, unless you are rich, then it's OK.
Nowadays a thrifty non-wealthy person would get labeled with Obsessive-Compulsive Personality Disorder (not the same thing as OCD) and be medicated to make them "chill out". :eyes:
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AnArmyVeteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-10 03:48 PM
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40. LOL, right you are. If we had a frugal population our economy wouldn't have collapsed.
Wall Street would still stole billions but not as much as they have been stealing.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 10:35 PM
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4. The film "The Corporation" had a big influence on my conscientiousness

Freeing yourself from the bleakness of consumerism is a very liberating thing.



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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 10:37 PM
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5. It's funny that you mention the yuppies of the eighties because it was during that time
that the choice presented itself. There were a lot of people resisting Raygun and his assorted homicidal projects here and around the world and we put away a lot of things to join those people.
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 10:54 PM
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6. education
The pleasures of the mind are so much more meaningful than anything money can buy.


Cher

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a la izquierda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-10 08:00 AM
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22. Yay! I love your post...
though I've borrowed $100K to finance my pursuits of the mind. I guess at least I'll have a PhD in the end.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 11:19 PM
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7. My epiphany came when I read Ferenc Mate's book "A Reasonable Life".
It really helped to gel what was going on im my head for years before that.
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Newest Reality Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 11:25 PM
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8. When I realized, as
H.D. Thoreau said, you don't own your possession, they own you.

Also, intensive forays into the current Age of Separation and the underlying assumptions of its dominant, but now crumbling paradigms have had quite an impact on distinguishing needs from wants and understanding the interconnected relationship of environment and all it contains. Turns out, there is no discrete, separate self to be found overall, if you look into it very carefully. It is merely a point of view and depends on the criteria you use to support your hypothesis. We have been swimming in a culture that spews a dogma of the individual self so long that we can only imagine a hive-like collective, (which is actually what this contrived culture functions like subliminally) as the result of its transcendence rather than a different sense of being and relationship that, rather than a loss of "me-ness' it is quite refreshing, if not oddly familiar. Biology has come a long way in that respect ... but this is nothing new, really.

Now, living in basic poverty has a different aura to it. I don't want more than I need and it is so simple.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 11:57 PM
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9. I've never been into mindless consumerism. Seriously.

As for being politically/socially conscious, it hadn't really hit me until I was in my mid-twenties (10 years ago).

Two dates come to mind - 9/11 (...no comment...) and then March 2003 (when I was participating in a huge anti-war demonstration in SF which changed my life)...
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-10 12:32 AM
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10. The Sermon on the Mount
Other precepts of Christ's teaching. Major influences on me in my youth and they remain influential in my life. Sell all you have and give to the poor. Not many have lived up to that.I am guilty of wanting a few things but have not sought "success" along materialist lines.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-10 12:50 AM
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11. George Carlin
His albums are like my Bible - he constantly pointed out how pointless modern consumerism is (I love his bit about turning golf courses into homeless shelters) and he always had a way of pointing out modern stupidity.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-10 12:52 AM
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12. I realized early on that I would never be able to "keep up"
and decided I would be happier if I learned to like what I had , than to always be unhappy about what I did not have.
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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-10 12:53 AM
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13. Life experiences and the price we pay for all our "consumer goods"
is just too high in terms of damage to the environment, huge disparities in income between the rich and poor, seeing how corporations basically run Washington and even write legislation, all the corruption, seeing corporations actively act against the good of the people over and over, and the 8 years of absolute bullshit that was Bush/Cheney convinced me - the price is too high, it's just not worth it. Even if the majority isn't, I'm ready to embrace an economic system that is NOT capitalism. Capitalism is going to fail, it's just a matter of when, and we should be prepared to transition to something new - something that will value all human lives, not let anyone go hungry or homeless, end wars, put meaning back in people's lives, show we care about each other and the planet, etc.
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eilen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-10 07:34 AM
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18. Transitioning, relocalizing, permaculture these are systems and
actions I am now studying. I want to transition from captialism to a sustainable economy and think that the only way we can fix the problems we have now with our unemployed, our broken state economies and our issues of poverty is to relocalize. Every person has a talent, something to contribute and I'm sick of living in a society who throws people away or rejects them as "unmarketable". I don't want to live there, I want to live in a positive sustainable place where all are valued and our actions don't destroy the environment, starve others, or cheat people. Buddhist Economics. So I have been visiting the transitionus.org site, reading their Ning group and researching other organizations that promote this. I also joined a local permaculture meet-up group and plan to find and participate in the other organizations in my community that promote this. Meanwhile, I am working towards living the model, making changes in my microeconomy/environment that is compatible with the macro vision. It isn't easy to change ingrained habits and I only grow by fits and starts. I've pretty much given up working on change in the political spectrum. It is clear the political establishment is very invested in the status quo. This is a bottoms up movement working within the community and involving local government. So while I pay attention to what is going on nationally and on the state level, I don't have much hope for them and don't put a whole lot of energy into trying to effect change there--I figure it is guerilla economics. They are ignoring us anyway. Once we make our own economies and link up, they will have become irrelevant because our currency, our systems are not their systems. We can drive multi national corporate values out of our communities and it becomes easier as people change their values system-- which is becoming easier as the government, Wall St. and big business has thoroughly FUBARED the economy and society. We can take back our cities. My local village resisted and won against Walmart-- prevented a super center being built just outside the village limits. (Liverpoolfirst.com).

Read Small is Beautiful, Radical Simplicity. Here are some links-- cut and paste them as I always screw up the html
www.transitionus.org
http://transitionus.ning.com/
http://neweconomicsinstitute.org/
http://www.350.org/
http://www.abcdinstitute.org/
http://www.livingeconomies.org/
http://www.berkshares.org/
http://steadystate.org/
http://neweconomynetwork.org/
http://www.nofa.org/index.php

I don't know that there are discussions here in theses forums on these ideas and their utilization. As this is the Democratic Underground and the new rules have been posted and pursued diligently; it is clear from recent policies championed by our governmental leadership that the new economy values are not necessarily congruent with the politics of the democratic administration and thus, criticism on that front in these forums may not be tolerated. Thus, I posted the ning link. It is my view that sustainable economies are the change we need but that is not a consideration in any party's platform except perhaps the Green Party (and this is not the AnyParty Underground). What are your thoughts?
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-10 08:22 AM
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28. Ooh, great post!
Thanks for the links! :D
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eilen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-10 08:41 AM
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32. Thanks. I have always enjoyed your posts too
and have had you listed as a fav/buddy for a long time. I also belong the the Fourth Turning Forums -- aren't you Odin there too?
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-10 02:56 PM
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39. Yes I am, thanks!
:hi:
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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-10 12:57 PM
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38. "Buddhist economics"
I like it!!! Thanks for the links - I will check them out. :hug: :hippie:
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pansypoo53219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-10 12:58 AM
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14. always been that way.
growing up poor, making do, hande downs etc. but champagne taste on water budget. loved antiques and then discovered estate sales. ebay. even higher recycling. by the way. all your stuff when you die is worth peanuts.
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Juche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-10 01:20 AM
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15. Aren't most people against that?
Your family friend seems deeply unbalanced, and like he is using his consumerism to compensate for some sort of deep held psychological problem. Healthy people generally don't think like that (that all that matters is one upping your neighbors at the expense of everything else).

I guess it depends on how you define consumerism. I buy things, but most of my non necessity items (not food/transportation related) are medical and designed to improve my physical or mental health. I will gladly spend money on those.

I really don't know. I do feel shame when I am not as successful as I think I should be. I feel like I 'should' be independent with a good job. Instead I am working part time at a contract job and living with family. I feel like I failed to live up to expectations. I don't know if that is a form of consumerism (wanting a decent job so I can have an apartment) or not, because it is keeping up with the Joneses. If everyone was dependent on family to the point where it wasn't socially ostracized, I don't think I'd be as badly bothered by it.

However I am debt free (paid off my student loans in 3 years), have never paid a dime in credit card interest, and am building savings. So financially I am doing decent.

I'd like to live in a truck camper. Put solar panels on the roof, and just live around the country.



What drove me off consumerism? Probably watching my parents (who are upper middle class) buy things they didn't need and never use, then watching my dad's health deteriorate because in his 30s, 40s and 50s he worked 70 hours a week at a high paying job until his health caught up with him. Destroying your health to buy things you don't need and don't use doesn't appeal to me, I think seeing that firsthand is what drove me away.
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Kievan Rus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-10 06:30 PM
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41. I would agree he is unbalanced
Edited on Fri Jul-16-10 06:31 PM by Kievan Rus
Consumerism is essentially an addiction. And according to a lot of psychologists, addiction is meant to compensate for some sense of inadequacy...whether it be alcoholism, gambling addiction, meth, or an addiction to consumption.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-10 01:37 AM
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16. Never had it to be "turned against" in the first place.I have a philosophy about earning a living...
... that says, "We have enough." That and "right occupation," the Buddhist precept of doing work that harms no one.

As regards consumption, I have to confess a weakness for buying books. The books have just about taken over the house.

When the kids were teenagers we went to see a family counselor. After several sessions he said something that blew the kids away: "You are the most counter-cultural family I have ever met." The kids obviously thought counter-cultural meant beads in the hair and tie-dye T-shirts, not their ol' mom and step-dad. The shrink explained: "None of you is motivated by money."

It gave us a lot to think about, because first we had to figure out what he meant. We work hard, expect to get paid commensurately, but apparently money isn't the primary motivator. My husband and I already knew what our primary motivators were, but we'd never had it put quite that way.

We're about to retire. We have a smallish house. We keep our cars 20+ years. We live modestly. We don't carry debt. We have enough. I confess I want a bigger house at this point -- but I probably won't get one. (After all, why on earth would we take on a new mortgage at this time of life?)

Best of luck.

Hekate




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eilen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-10 06:55 AM
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17. another mortgage--yikes
yeah, I am with you on that one. Our house is not paid off yet but the thought of entering into another mortgage prevents me from wanting to move. Other areas in the country are a lot more expensive to purchase a home in. I am happy enough here but my husband is disgusted by the dominant attitudes in his local union hall and currently will not considered alternatives. He is very focused on the money and conditions but not so much on the right livelihood part of things.

I go through periods of wanting stuff and then periods of wanting to get rid of it and purging. I guess I am a bulemic consumer. On the other hand, I am not needing a new car every 3 years -- we try to get 10 years out of every vehicle we own. We do have a large screen television-- that was after our old tv broke and we purchased in cash. We purchase scratch and dent furniture when we need furniture, shop thrift stores etc. We still have too much stuff though.

I gave up on the rat race in 2001-2002. I hated my job, it was too stressful. I saw that climbing the ladder-- that I'd hate those jobs so never tried to position myself for them. I dreamed of opting out. We have paid all our debts except the mortgage since then and I am loathe to carry any more. If I ever sell my house, I am torn between wanting to be out in a rural area or living in a village center. I do toy with the idea of traveling around with my house on wheels but that is pretty unsustainable in light of peak oil however, I think that I'll never see the country otherwise.

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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-10 08:24 AM
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29. DUPE
Edited on Fri Jul-16-10 08:28 AM by Odin2005
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-10 08:27 AM
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30. I've NEVER been motivated by money.
It seems so illogical to me.

Oh, I have so many books it's crazy! I could start up my own private library. I'm a book-hoarder! :rofl:
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Delphinus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-10 07:40 AM
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19. I'm not sure there was one
thing in particular ... just a living of a different way.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-10 07:48 AM
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20. A combination of living in nature, studying history in college, psychedelics, Vietnam,
and the lyrics to Pink Floyd's "Dark Side of the Moon" sent me right over the wall and I never looked back.

"Breathe" Roger Waters

Breathe, breathe in the air
Don't be afraid to care
Leave but don't leave me
Look around and chose your own ground
For long you live and high you fly
And smiles you'll give and tears you'll cry
And all you touch and all you see
Is all your life will ever be
Run, run rabbit run
Dig that hole, forget the sun,
And when at last the work is done
Don't sit down, it's time to dig another one
For long you live and high you fly
But only if you ride the tide
And balanced on the biggest wave
You race toward an early grave.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-10 07:58 AM
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21. I thought it was crap even when I was a kid.
It was one of those typical Aspie "That's illogical, captain" responses to bullshit. :)

Your "Family Friend" needs mental help.
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DailyGrind51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-10 08:03 AM
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23. Having cancer and being unable to find a job for 3 years following treatment!
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LeftinOH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-10 08:03 AM
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24. The Cabbage Patch doll riots from the 1983 Christmas season. Seriously. n/t
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Bloofer_Lady Donating Member (84 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-10 08:05 AM
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26. Being a teen in the 80's did it for me.
Being in high school during the Reagan era turned me against corporate crap. I decided back then that there was no way in hell that I was going to ever work a corporate type job or be into having the newest 'fad' products.
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-10 08:06 AM
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27. Love of music.
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GoCubsGo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-10 08:39 AM
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31. The first time I had to move AND a trip to the land fill
Hauling all ones stuff from place to place is a pain in the ass, but how big of a pain is determined by the amount of stuff that has to be moved. And, everyone should visit a landfill to see where all those consumer goods wind up when they get tossed. It's enough to make one not want to buy anything.

But, I was also pretty much raised that way via a combination of German frugality and my parents not having much money when we were really young. We didn't always have all the other "stuff" other kids had, and we survived quite nicely without it. My folks taught me all about never paying full price for anything, so if it ain't on sale, I don't buy it. Then there was grad school, where I couldn't afford anything but the basics. And, going into a field that doesn't pay all that well. It all prepared me quite nicely for my current bout with long-term unemployment. If you never had something, how can you miss not having it? I'm getting along fine without the cell phone, the stacks of CDs and DVDs, the wide screen TV, new car every year, etc.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-10 08:42 AM
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33. Reverend Billy. The church of stop shopping.
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-10 09:04 AM
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34. The Peace Corps. Seeing how people in the Third World live. n/t
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Cresent City Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-10 09:06 AM
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35. Never had a choice
Being broke always sucks, but in the 80's it was somehow worse. By 1980 at age 15 I had rejected materialism in principle, but I could not have joined those buying PC's, Nintendo and VCR's if I wanted to. The boundry between my class and the middle class felt like a brick wall. This bothered me, but did not defeat me. I still enjoyed life, art and culture. My mother who grew up in the Depression always believed that you didn't need money to have class. Success in my house was a matter of personal growth, not tangible assets or objects accumulated.
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boomerbust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-10 09:08 AM
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36. No money
That is all.
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-10 09:31 AM
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37. We didn't have much growing up, and I guess I learned my mother's frugality.

I don't have expensive tastes.


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