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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 02:43 PM
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Is it OK to be outraged that someone sent a pipe bomb to a little old lady...
http://www.kwtx.com/news/headlines/98421429.html?ref=429

According to police (see the link above) it was not a liberal defending the gulf against BP. If that story is correct, it had nothing to do with the gulf.

So I just want to know if it is OK to be concerned for the victim now. Is it OK to be anti-pipe bomb? Should we still yell "Viva La Revolution" and think that oil executive's wife had it coming because of BP?
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SargeUNN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 02:47 PM
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1. it was a horrible and stupid thing to do
so we should be outraged. This type of reasoning this person used isn't rationale and only counter productive which just makes things harder on everyone.
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brendan120678 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 02:50 PM
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4. Even if it was addressed to the oil exec himself, and...
he was the one injured, I'd still be outraged and against it.

Tactics like those are not the way to win friends or influence policy.
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no limit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 02:49 PM
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2. Of course your implication that it wasn't ok before is total bullshit. But by all means...
act like that is the norm here at DU. I'm sure freerepublic appreciates your efforts.
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 04:15 PM
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19. I was involved in that discussion. A quick search should explain..
Edited on Wed Jul-14-10 04:16 PM by Ozymanithrax
to you why I ask this question. There were some who were offended and other that felt BP actions justified that bombing in some way.

So before you make any more allusions to Free Republic, please read of the discussions.
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KansasVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 02:50 PM
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3. Yes! I would not want anyone to try to harm Tony Hayward either. Or his family!
Vigilante justice is wrong a lot of the time.
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 04:36 PM
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30. Vigilante justice is always wrong...
Sometimes, extenuating circumstances, such as a woman who kills her child's molester, makes clemency understandable and requires she be forgiven by any just person, but I would say it is always wrong.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 02:50 PM
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5. What the hell are you talking about?
Series.
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 04:17 PM
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21. The discussion on several threads on the day of the event. n/t
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 02:51 PM
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6. Having bookmarked the original thread about this particualr incident...
Having bookmarked the original thread about this particualr incident, it will be rather interesting to see if those who initially defended the assailant will continue to do so, or do a 180 once political motivations are perceived to be no longer aligned with their own.
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 06:10 PM
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43. Would you mind posting the link, or sending it to me in a PM?
Thanks in advance.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 02:52 PM
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7. From the beginning---Someone after BP exec would not send
Edited on Wed Jul-14-10 02:55 PM by OHdem10
a bomb in a box of chocolates.

They would know where the exec is and make sure he was
the one who actually opened the bomb. I give you the
Uni-Bomber. In every case he made sure executive got the bomb.

To answer your question, it is ok to be outraged that people
like this do these terrible things.
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ShamelessHussy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 02:53 PM
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8. sounds like they are behaving like our Government
shoot, we send explosive 'packages' to weddings filled with the young, old, and in between... DISGUSTING!

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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 02:55 PM
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9. "60" is a little old lady?
lol

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BonnieJW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 03:09 PM
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11. I know!
That was the first thing that went through my mind too! I am 61 and do NOT look like a little old lady and if anyone said that about me, I would take offense.
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 03:35 PM
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14. Who wouldn't!? Must be a 20-something who started this thread
:eyes:
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 03:49 PM
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17. a 20-something?
Edited on Wed Jul-14-10 03:49 PM by Warren DeMontague
Is that like a multiple personality disorder?
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 04:32 PM
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29. For my older children, it is a state of mind.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 05:51 PM
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40. I was really pissed off when those snotty Gen-Xers wrote that song about "when I'm 64"
Smartass Punks.
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 07:29 PM
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44. Hell, Logan's run aimed its ire at half that age. n/t
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 12:37 AM
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50. I used to have a thing for Jenny Agutter.
Hoo, boy.

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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 04:39 AM
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55. Carousel was at twenty in the book. n/t
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 05:22 PM
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37. sometimes it most certainly SEEMS so!
course, same could be said for certain 30, 40, 50 -you get the picture - somethings.:)
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 05:50 PM
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39. Sometimes, I feel like I've lost count.
Know what I mean?
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 05:59 PM
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41. oh yeah...
and why must we count? :)
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 12:38 AM
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51. *
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 01:45 AM
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53. Not why must we BE a count!
Lol - boy you are thinkin'
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 04:31 PM
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28. Your face hasn't been blown off by a pipe bomb...or cosmetically altered.
Edited on Wed Jul-14-10 04:31 PM by Ozymanithrax
I'm 58, but the first thing I though was my mother opening a box of chocolates. How would I feel.
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 04:19 PM
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23. I'm a little old man of 58... n/t
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 05:20 PM
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36. LOL - then WHAT are you thinking?
:spray:
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 07:32 PM
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47. Being a man, I don't think all that much. n/t
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 01:43 AM
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52. just kidding
:) Hey I DO feel like an old lady sometimes though I am not 60, and I am not 58 - but I am not telling my age - but I think that was an awful thing they did to this lady - very mean - to put it mildly
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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 05:05 PM
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34. +1
n/t
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 02:57 PM
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10. Perhaps one of her children trying to get their inheritance now while the tax is gone.
If she has any of her own money, that goes to her children, maybe one of them wants it now while they don't have to pay taxes on their inheritance. It could save them millions and millions.

But I guess one of her kids would know how to spell her name. Or they were trying to make it look like it was from a stranger.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 04:47 PM
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32. What a horrible thought. Let's just say we don't know why this attack was made.
Edited on Wed Jul-14-10 04:50 PM by JDPriestly
We really don't know.

There is a good chance that it was not political or related to the work of this woman's husband. Why? Because I know a lot about the oil business. Targeting someone because she is the wife of an oil executive?

I can think of a lot of explanations but that she is the wife of an oil executive is not as likely (although it is possible) as a number of other explanations.

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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 03:10 PM
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12. Not OK, but inevitable.
Edited on Wed Jul-14-10 03:11 PM by Greyhound
This has all happened before and recently has created the type of 'society' that is still common in South America.

Rich people live behind walls with razor wire and machine gun emplacements. They travel outside their enclaves by helicopter or in armored columns and enter outside buildings through secured underground lots. Their kids go to private schools, usually within the enclave, and are accompanied by bodyguards.

Edit; spelling


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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 03:25 PM
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13. Choice precludes inevitable results...
I believe that choice precludes inevitable results. If all assailants have a choice, their actions are by definition, not inevitable.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 04:07 PM
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18. Of course, but under this much pressure, it is inevitable that some will choose
to do this kind of thing. It's happened over and over at least since the barbarians brought their God of death out of the desert with them and took over by being the party that will never negotiate or compromise.

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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 04:27 PM
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27. Are you talking about the bombing, or the argument some made that it was...
Edited on Wed Jul-14-10 04:29 PM by Ozymanithrax
an understandable and reaction to the gulf spill? A natural progression of “Soap Box, Ballot Box, Jury Box, Ammo Box--”
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 03:43 PM
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15. Sending a pipe bomb to anyone really is poor etiquette.
There, I said it. I just had to make that declaration.
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 04:21 PM
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24. Unless his pinky is kept extended....
Personally, I don't think etiquette and pipe-bombs go together.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 03:47 PM
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16. Nothing to see here, move along.
You need to be more understanding of some peoples' blind hate, random bloodlust, and willingness to shoot their mouths off without thinking. How DARE you criticize the assorted would-be Keyboard Robespierres!

:eyes:
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 04:22 PM
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25. Well, I will try to respect myself in the morning... n/t
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 04:17 PM
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20. Bogus premise. It was obviously personal.
Edited on Wed Jul-14-10 04:23 PM by TexasObserver
Only people I've seen suggesting it had anything to do with BP were right wing spokespeople.
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MarkInSavannah Donating Member (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 04:18 PM
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22. Don't some find it disturbing........
......that this question needed to be asked in the first place? Maybe it's just me.
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 04:22 PM
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26. That is why I asked the question. Welcome to DU. n/t
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 04:41 PM
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31. Yes. I am outraged. It is a cruel, inexcusable, cowardly act.
So far, I believe that the idea that it has anything to do with BP or the profession of her husband is just conjecture. It may turn out to be true -- but it may not.

You have to understand that there are lots of crazy people out there who will do crazy things for the most demented reasons. So I would not draw conclusions about why this woman was so cruelly targeted.

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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 05:04 PM
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33. Sorry, but 58 makes you a little old lady?
:eyes:
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 05:10 PM
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35. It makes me a little old man...but I readily admit your definitions are different from mine...
Edited on Wed Jul-14-10 05:12 PM by Ozymanithrax
and more worthy.

So, "Is it OK to be outraged that someone sent a pipe bomb to a mature, elegant, and sensual 60 year young woman."

The answer should be the same.

And as for calling a sixty year old woman a little old lady, I've learned from my mistake and will never say, write, or think that again.
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 05:37 PM
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38. No "liberal defending the Gulf" would send a pipe bomb. What would...
send a pipe bomb is a murderous thug with no thought for the planet or anything living in or on it.

There is no defense whatsoever for anyone sending a bomb for any reason. It is a criminal act and should be prosecuted no matter what the stated reason was.

Aside from that obvious observation, I'm fascinated that so many here would rather talk about your use of "little old lady" than whether or not a pipe bomb is a proper message.



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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 07:30 PM
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45. That surprised me. I learned from it... n/t
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 06:05 PM
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42. Unrec for bullshit premise and excessive pearl-clutching.
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 07:31 PM
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46. Why thank you. n/t
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 09:41 PM
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48. I don't think people were cheering about this - the posts I read thought it was
terrible!
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JoeyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 12:29 AM
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49. Yep.
It was ok even when we didn't know the cause.

Now to call out all the "OMFG liberal extremists killed someone!!!!!111111111oneoneone" posts.
You know, all the ones that insisted it was some environmental organization doing it in retaliation for the Gulf.
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 02:30 AM
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54. Thank you ever one for a lively and delightful conversation. n/t
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