Teens using digital tones to get high

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OKLAHOMA CITY — Teens in Oklahoma and other states are experimenting with what they say is a new way to get high: listening to online music and tones that they say can cause a drug-like state of euphoria.

The youths plug into what they call 'i-dosers' by putting on headphones and downloading music and tones that create a supposed drug-like euphoria, according to some school officials.

The technology is designed to combine a tone in each ear to create a binaural beat designed to alter brainwaves.

In March, three students at Mustang High School in Mustang, Okla., were sent to the principal's office when they appeared to be high on drugs or alcohol, Mustang School District Superintendent Bonnie Lightfoot said. She said the kids explained that they had tried something called i-dosers.

http://www.postandcourier.com/news/2010/jul/13/teens-using-digital-tones-get-high/


I thought this was bs, but there seems to be an abundance of vids on youtube about this, not to mention tons of google results. Interesting. Maybe I need to get an ipod...

[enough]

1. Then there's this incredible thing called MUSIC -- has been known to have

powerful effects on the mind/body/soul.

[Posteritatis]

2. Panic! Panic! Panic! Panic! Ban! Ban! Ban! Ban! Emote! Emote! Emote! Emote! (nt)

[K8-EEE]

71. LOL

QUICK! REACT! DON'T THINK! DO SOMETHING! Can't wait to see the "concerned anchor face" mugging away at THIS thing!

[KansasVoter]

3. I call bullshit to this story!

[MicaelS]

43. Which part?

The idea that kids are trying to get high? Or the part where adults have another Moral Panic when the word "drugs" is mentioned?

[KansasVoter]

84. I just don't believe it really works.

[lame54]

97. The part after "listen to this"

[Canuckistanian]

4. I've heard of this - it isn't new

Certain people are affected by it. I remember a program called "Cool Wave" that had an effect that could be applied to music. It apparently had a soothing or druglike effect.

I forget what it's called, but it never affected me.

[izquierdista]

42. You're just a square

Otherwise, this would have an effect on you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwNrmYRiX_o

Playing 'Riders on the Storm' on endless loop will also work.

[WCGreen]

62. I think it is called Yawni muszak....

[DJ13]

5. We know the military has developed sonic weapons, so why not?

The separation between pain and pleasure is minute in our brains.

[BlueJazz]

6. It also is suppose to affect your short-term memory

[matt819]

37. Thanks for the chuckle (nt)

[BlueJazz]

7. It also is suppose to affect your short-term memory

[BlueJazz]

8. It also is suppose to affect your short-term memory

[DaveinJapan]

12. lmao. nt

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16. rofl

[Jackpine Radical]

17. I've heard that it affects short-term memory.

Anything to that?

[Posteritatis]

19. No, but did you hear that it affects short-term memory? (nt)

[MerryBlooms]

24. No way.

whut?

[lumberjack_jeff]

20. Rofl! n/t

[sufrommich]

26. It affects what now? nt

[GrantDem]

27. What affects short term memory???

[leeroysphitz]

33. lol wat?

[Cetacea]

30. ...

[slay]

54. It does what to your what now?

nevermind i forgot what we were taling about.. (damn i-dosers..) :P

[lonestarnot]

58. Do they play it backwards? Snort

:rofl:

[Initech]

60. It is also supposed to affect your short-term memory.

[Warren DeMontague]

68. I heard it produces echoes, too

[Warren DeMontague]

69. I heard it produces echoes, too

[SpiralHawk]

72. ...And give you a wicked bad case of the munchies

eom

[Canuckistanian]

88. Eh? What did you say?

Short learn empathy? Whet the hell does THAT mean?

[jdp349]

9. Kids are dumb

The amount of stupid shit kids do these day to get high never ceases to amaze. Oh well keep on fighting the machine I guess kids.

[SunnySong]

80. I agree but kids are supposed to be dumb... I am not sure what the school officials excuse is. nt

[Arkansas Granny]

86. Yeah, everybody knows that you smoke banana peels to get high.

These kids nowadays! :rofl:

[Liquorice]

10. LOL I've been using binaural beats for meditation for years. I don't get high, but it is quite

relaxing.

[HipChick]

29. Me too..It can leave you out of it for a bit...

[greyl]

11. I-Doser is the brand name of a scam.

The story should be "Teens Not Being Taught Critical Thinking".

[Posteritatis]

23. That particular one seems scammy as hell

The basic concept of a certain type of sound affecting brainwaves has been known for over 150 years, though. Idoser in particular is pretty powerful bullshit, though, almost as powerful as some of the fear-laden claims being made in that article.

[Odin2005]

13. AWESOME! This will piss off the Puritans!

[Posteritatis]

18. You are displaying insufficient thought about the children, Citizen! (nt)

[Jackpine Radical]

14. I have been using and prescribing light-and-sound devices,

sone with binaural beat auditory stim, for years. It's nice, it's relaxing, it demonstrably affects brainwave patterns, and you can use it for at least temporary relief from a variety of problems including high anxiety, ADD, etc. You use different programs, which drive the brain at different frequencies, for different purposes. Aside from a very small possibility of inducing seizures, I know of no harm from these things. They are certainly not addictive, and do not particularly alter the brain chemistry as psychoactive drugs do. People who are freaking over this stuff are idiots.

[Warpy]

15. It's a big thing online

with loads of sites out there.

It sounds like muffled techno to me.

[BlueIdaho]

21. Do you suppose we should tell them about spinning around in circles?

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25. I loved doing that as a kid.

Hmmm....be right back...

[Uben]

22. Pssssst! Hey man, you gotta dime bag of tones?

...I'll meet ya in the alley so we can download.

[MrModerate]

28. Yeah. They call it rock 'n' roll. Very effective, in my experience. n/t

[Wickerman]

31. Wow, I thought I-Doser was found to be a scam a decade ago

love our on top of it MSM.

[salvorhardin]

35. It's a new name to me, but yeah, the binaural beats think is bunk

I love that they quote "Licensed Mental Health Counselor" Jed Schlackman as an authoritative source. The dude does Reiki and "psycho-energetic healing". http://home.comcast.net/~jshlackman

I'm calling it... scam!

[Toucano]

61. Binaural beats are not bunk

It's how some animals, including humans, are able to localize sound.

It got picked up by the transcendentalism, new-age crap movement and the legitimate science behind a natural phenomenon got exploited into "getting high" and "out-of-body experience" junk. Since no one can patent the phenomenon, it's cheap material for junk peddlers like Reiki.

There's been a lot of legitimate and reputable work done with it, too, however.

[chrisa]

78. While binaural beats do work,

Getting off the wall high with them is ridiculous. I completely agree that this new, "Get high off binaural beats!" is laughably stupid.

This is a scam, nothing more. Try it for yourself. I invite anybody who says otherwise to try it for yourself. I'm sure they're on YouTube somewhere.

[salvorhardin]

79. Sorry, I didn't mean the phenomenon was bunk

I meant the idea that they have profound psychological or physiological effect, that listening to them can get you high, is bunk.

[Oregone]

32. Just smoke a joint.

Seriously kids. Friends don't let friends fake i-doser highs

[leeroysphitz]

34. Semuta. n/t

[Bonobo]

36. Humans have used music/sound for the same thing for hundreds of thousands of years.

Drumbeats. Chanting.
It's what it's all about.

Inducing another mental state.

[anarch]

73. absolutely...which is why we should make certain mental states illegal

and lock everyone up, immediately. It's for our own good.


SLEEP...SLEEP...OBEY...MARRY AND REPRODUCE

[marmar]

38. I was gonna text you a joke, but then I got high

[HEyHEY]

39. Tried it, didn't work... back to my dealer :(

[AmericaIsGreat]

40. Here's a video of kids after using this drug! Wow!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9I2tEybYDu0

[jberryhill]

50. Whoa... I gotta get that! /nt

[mitchum]

41. I'm old school and use tube oscillators to produce binaural beats

honestly

[slampoet]

44. Rock it theremin style you crazy cat.

[Rex]

45. So the kids found a new way to get high, and it is not a plant it is a sound.

DOWN WITH SOUND! OUTLAW SOUND NOW BEFORE YOUR CHILDREN SUFFER FROM IPOD MADNESS! /stupidconsumerpanic 0

[Tsiyu]

64. Yeah...I think i heard somewhere recently

that it causes Short Term Memory Loss














Edit to add: It could also cause SHort Term Momory Loss, IIRC

[DisgustipatedinCA]

46. Jenkem, round 2

This reminds me of the idiot sheriff in the 90's who sent out warnings about kids getting high on their own feces and urine--a substance called Jenkem.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenkem

Sounds like it's tough to be a teenager in Oklahoma, what with idiot administrators worried about tone highs and US Senators worried about "rampant lesbianism" in Oklahoma's high school bathrooms. Give 'em hell, kids, make them jump at every shadow they see. How about starting a rumor about making Jenkem in the high school bathrooms in a blatant and rampantly-lesbian way? That ought to keep them busy for awhile.

[Rex]

49. So the kids are literally inhaling unspeakably gross shit particles

yeah...that sounds about right for a teenager.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

52. No, I don't think they are. Not literally. Not figuratively.

This was a hoax, and the sheriff was gullible enough to be taken in by it.

[JoeyT]

91. Jenkem was what I thought of right away as well.

As if any kid is going to sit around huffing fermented shit when there's perfectly good gasoline and paint thinner sitting around the house. That alone should have told all the morons that panicked over it that it would never happen.

[Radical Activist]

47. School administrators and the press will never run out of stupid things to worry about.

jesusfuckingchrist.

[jberryhill]

48. It short terms your affected memory, though /nt

[sofa king]

51. Wasn't that what Timothy Leary was working on before he died?

Whether or not it was, it will be fun to watch the usual suspects treat this just as if it were an evil drug.

Why? Because it's not the drug use that The Man hates. It's the recreational part.

[slay]

53. woops

damn second time today i've replied in the wrong spot.. must be the idozers.. :P

[Speck Tater]

55. Invented in 1975 by Robert Monroe. link...

He called it Hemi-Synch, and promoted as a way to facilitate out of body experiences.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Monroe

Edit to add ink to a PC-based application that generates binaural beats: Brain Wave Generator: http://www.bwgen.com/

[tinrobot]

56. My sister has been meditating to binaural beats for years.

She even makes her own CDs. There's a bunch of free applications you can download to create them.

I've listened to her CDs and the effect is very similar to the gong that my teacher plays in my yoga classes. It definitely spaces you out a bit and puts you into a bit of a trance. Very calming, though. I don't see anything wrong with it. I'd much rather my kids listen to binaural beats than take ecstasy.

[Electric Monk]

57. What a feeling!

[TacticalPeek]

59. They should listen to the banana peels.

:smoke:

[K8-EEE]

70. they call it mellow yellow!

Ah we give our age away tp!

:hippie:

[Iggo]

81. Quite rightly.

[Shallah Kali]

63. I have a few binaural cds and find them deeply relaxing but they never made me high

I find it hard to believe that any form of it is strong enough to make someone high.

[walldude]

65. LMAo.. I don't see why people are surprised or denying this..

and I don't see what the big fucking deal is. Music has always been mood altering. It's the way it is. Composers and song writers use certain keys to evoke certain feelings. Here let's let Nigel explain:

Nigel Tufnel: It's part of a trilogy, a musical trilogy I'm working on in D minor which is the saddest of all keys, I find. People weep instantly when they hear it, and I don't know why.


These scare stories are probably part of a plot by the makers of Prozac because they are afraid that people will find out that they don't always need pills to chill out.... :)

[howard112211]

66. Back in my days, we did "thumb blowing"

Shit, with all the brain cells I lost to that, my IQ would probably be 150 ;)

[Warren DeMontague]

67. I heard a kid listened to rounds of "Row, Row, Row Your Boat" for an hour

and then dove off a building, thinking he could fly!!!!1111!!!!!! :o :o :o :o :scared:

[eShirl]

74. Sooner or later kids will stumble onto the real hard stuff: Classical Music. n/t

[Lochloosa]

75. Hell, the Dead were doing it for 30 years.

I miss Jerry.

[mdmc]

76. well, thanks for the OP

the new generation kickin it ol school..

[chrisa]

77. "I-Doser?" You mean another one of those things that use the placebo effect

to make people think that they're getting high? I'm not buying this one. Snake oil anyone?

[BakedAtAMileHigh]

85. dismiss the placebo effect as "snake oil" at your own risk

I've been reading Norman Cousins lately and trying to encourage everyone to do the same. "Anatomy of an Illness" is astonishing.

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[BakedAtAMileHigh]

83. I use a binaural recording with edible cannabis for chakra meditation

and if I use pranayama breathing at the same time I can manage some pretty impressive results: an orgasmic shower of tingly cascading purple sparks shooting from my crown chakra, "astral" travel, intensely vivid and detailed waking dreams, etc.

So, yeah. It works well. Good for these kids; maybe this will serve to move some of them into meta-programming.

[Heywood J]

87. That sounds rather sexual...

"an orgasmic shower of tingly cascading purple sparks shooting from my crown chakra" ;)

[Romulox]

95. I can get the same results eating the pot and listening

to Spiritualized or similar. I remain skeptical.

[RagAss]

89. We had Pink Floyd back in my day.

[carlyhippy]

90. So, for experimentation purposes, I tried it

looked up binaural on youtube and put on some headphones, listened to one. I got really sleepy. I think one has to concentrate on the background wavy-sounding noise.

[dionysus]

92. is this jenkum redux?

[Robeson]

93. And to think I used to drop acid...

...wow, things have really changed.

[dionysus]

94. yeah, for the lamer. (and i doubt it works at all)

[caboose]

96. You don't need a ipod, just rent a copy of "Reefer Madness"

Pay particular attention to the foppish guy who plays the piano...

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Deep13]

98. That is the stupidest fucking thing I have ever heard. nt

[Liberal_in_LA]

100. lol.

[Evasporque]

99. It is called Minimal Techno a form of house dance music....nt