Anti rape condom

[jaysunb]

I'm sure this was not meant to be funny, but I can't help but laugh.

http://www.blackvoicesblogs.com/2007/04/12/south-african-anti-rape-condom

[Viva_La_Revolution]

1. sweet revenge!

:evilgrin:

[D23MIURG23]

2. Looks like a good idea to me.

Just so long as you remember to take it out before an encounter you actually wanted.
:evilgrin:

[FloridaJudy]

3. I dunno

That thing does not look like it would be comfortable for a woman to wear, though it would beat being raped.

[Warpy]

6. She still gets raped

but she isn't exposed to HIV in the process.

Anything that gives a rapist an ugly surprise is good by me.

Rape in South Africa is especially troubling because of the widespread belief among men that sex with a virgin will cure AIDS.

Little girls get the worst of it.

[NickB79]

13. If the guy is cut inside her

Hell yeah she'll be exposed to the HIV virus in the process.

[Warpy]

26. Inside a condom?

Look at the illustration with the article.

He's not going to be inside her long, the cuts are too superficial to produce much blood, and the male is going to withdraw very quickly when he realizes he's caught in a trap.

My guess is that relatively few rapists will need to be caught to convince their brothers that consensual sex is a much better idea than rape.

[Igel]

10. I *hope* it would be at least a little uncomfortable.

It would be nasty to put it in and forget about it until your boyfriend or husband found it.

[Rosemary2205]

4. In all seriousness, I don't see how this can help.

Once word gets out to the rapists they'll just have to get a finger in there to pull the razor condom out before then um........ well you know.

[orleans]

60. it can only be surgically removed (apparently)

"The condom can only be surgically removed (thereby catching the perp redhanded), but supposedly will not cause major damage if removed immediately."

[Rosemary2205]

65. I think you misunderstood

The way I read that is that the condom can be easily removed from the female, but once a man rams his rapist penis in there it's going to be so stuck on him that only surgery will get it off without serious major pain.

[orleans]

67. ohhhhh...... n/t

[HereSince1628]

5. Oh yeah, just how dangerous do you suppose a wounded animal is?

I fear for the woman dominated by an attacker injured by this device.

[orleans]

61. same here.

"After the man is incapacitated, this ostensibly gives the woman time to escape"

let's hope she can get away before he hauls off and KILLS her

[jaysunb]

68. I doubt he'll be thinking

of anything except his penis at that moment.....I promise you. That's why a kick in the nuts is so effective. :evilgrin:

[undeterred]

7. I'd just be afraid there would be retaliation against the woman

who wore it at some later time.

[stlsaxman]

15. Retaliation would happen right then and there.

Either by him or those watching.

ugh...

[pinkyshow]

59. The threat of retaliation always exists, no?

As rape is inherently violent - does all forms of resistance increase the potential for more violence, or does this new condom somehow represent a greater danger to the rape victim because it involves (minor) mutilation of the penis? Pepper spray, screaming, struggling, nut-kicking, or wearing the wrong perfume may also meet with disapproval by the rapist...

I'd rather not speculate - does anybody know if statistically speaking, active resistance to a rapist tends to puts the victim at greater risk? There must be studies that have examined this...

[drm604]

8. If it were used widely, rapists would check for it first and remove it.

On the surface it seems like a good idea, but it seems like it could be easily defeated. Also, it may simply enrage the rapist and make him even more violent.

[rasputin1952]

9. It might indeed enrage him....

but I doubt there would be any retaliation at that particualr point, (no pun intended).


Later, however, things could be quite different. From a sociological/societal point of view, these people need to be taught several things, not the least of them, raping a virgin will not cure AIDS. Rape is a horrible crime, those that do such things, need to be dealt w/harshly, and quickly. It looks as though many nations in Africa aren't doing a whole lot to address the problem legally. But the mores in some African nations are far from what we are used to...it will take time and aggressive prosecution.

[undeterred]

16. For reasons I've never quite understood

men think their penises are sacred. Women are just material property, but the penis, well you can't even show it in a film without a special rating. Its the holy grail. So if it has to be taken to the hospital for treatment then whomever offended it is going to get hurt a thousand times worse than the weenie itself.

Sorry, I couldn't help the sarcasm.

[rasputin1952]

19. Ah, but the truth is there! FWIW...the vagina has also been

held to high esteem. It was a mystery as to how life could come from the woman, and for quite some time, in many societies, women were held in high esteem. A lot of that changed as religions changed, forcing women farther into the darkness...it is sad what has happened over time. those religions were not just Judaism, Christianity and Islam, although in modern terms the last two of those have gone to great lengths to subjugate women in areas of the world, not all of course, but IMO, any subjugation is wrong.

I believe we are all essentially equal, and should be treated as such. Some people are more artistic, better speakers, smarter, etc than others, but we are all alive, and if we started w/the base that we are all living creatures, we could get past a lot of the insanity.

As for my penis, I worship it constantly, but I don't want everyone else worshiping it. In fact, it is the only time I've ever agreed w/self flagellation...:D

[undeterred]

20. Well there has always been a deep dark fear that the vagina had teeth

and I think its high time that fantasy/fear occasionally came to life...:evilgrin:

[rasputin1952]

21. LOL...I knew someone who actually believed that!...

So much for 20th century enlightenment....:D

He was terrified of girls and women...he never did say where he heard that, but methinks a parent might have been involved. We were kids in the early 60's when he came out w/that...come to think of it, I wonder what ever happened to him...willing to be he let that gene pool die out...:)

[undeterred]

23. According to Wikipedia its a myth from North American Indian tribes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vagina_dentata

However, its sounds like the kind of thing you might hear at Church camp.

[rasputin1952]

27. When I took World History in college, it was one of the myths

that appeared in Europe during the Dark Ages as well. Of course, during the DA, they thought all kinds of odd things...flat earth, witches on broomsticks, goblins. geo-centricity....just listen and believe in anything that came along...the benefits of gross ignorance and the refusal to ask, "why"?.

If ignorance is bliss, no wonder there was dancing in the streets...:D

[jaysunb]

24. He's somewhere...

" all shook up " :rofl:

[rasputin1952]

28. LOL...

:D

[sandnsea]

11. You didn't have your anti-rape condom in?

Well you were just asking for it then, weren't you.

I can hear it now.

And as the poster above said, rapists will just check for the it and remove it.

Why can't men take responsibility for changing the way men think about women and sex. That's what is needed to stop rape.

[Vexatious Ape]

12. Great idea.

What the hell is going on in South Africa that 20% of the men there admit to rape?

[uppityperson]

14. Bet this would anger the rapist and bet they would take it out on the woman.

[originalpckelly]

17. AHAHAHAHA! Now that's the ticket. Hurt his wicket!

:rofl:

It's just such sweet and beautiful revenge, those bastards deserve it. More power to these women!

[Fierce]

18. Maybe men should just stop raping.

That would help.

[porphyrian]

22. Women rape, too, but you're right. To stop rape, people have to stop raping.

To do this, peoples' minds have to be changed. In Africa, there are apparently a large number of men who believe raping virgins can cure AIDS, or some such nonsense. That's a meme that need to die, fast. Things like this condom aren't a solution because they are after the fact, not preventative.

[RandomKoolzip]

25. Women rape?!

What, with strap-on dildos?

Women do not rape. Rape is forced penetration.

[porphyrian]

33. Wow, you're ignorant. Do a little research and get back with us. - n/t

[uppityperson]

36. Women can and do rape. Here are some links and clips for you

http://www.answers.com/topic/rape

Gender: The great majority of all reported offenders were male (96%). The number of female offenders rose for victims under the age of six (12%), in contrast to 6% for victims aged six through 12, 3% for victims aged 12 through 17, and 1% for adult victims. (much much more @ link)

http://ncptsd.va.gov/ncmain/ncdocs/fact_shts/fs_male_sexual_assault.html

As is true about those who assault and sexually abuse women and girls, most perpetrators of males are men. Specifically, men are perpetrators in about 86% of male victimization cases.(again much more @ link)

[Fierce]

29. Well, thanks for posting a sign for people to follow the bunny trail.

nt

[porphyrian]

34. I have no idea what the fuck that means, but you're welcome. - n/t

[jaysunb]

32. On the up side...

there will be one less rapist. :evilgrin:

[porphyrian]

35. Only if they kill the rapist.

Otherwise, the rapist just has a hurt pee pee, a worse attitude and legal problems.

[noiretextatique]

37. i think this is more about

preventing HIV infections than hurting wee wees.

"Rape plays a significant role in the high prevalence of HIV among women in South Africa. South Africa is a country hardest hit by AIDS, a lot of which is fueled by an epidemic of rape: In a 2006 study of 1,370 South African men, nearly 20% revealed that they had raped a woman (and these are the ones ADMITTING it!)"

[porphyrian]

38. Yes, but that doesn't change what I've said.

The problem is that, in Africa, there apparently exists a belief that raping a virgin will cure AIDS, thus its prevalence. These condoms won't stop rape in South Africa or anywhere else, they will simply hurt some rapists until they get wise. To stop rape, peoples' minds need to be changed, and that isn't as simple as making a sadistic condom.

[noiretextatique]

41. true, but

i think this condom was developed in the hope that might prevent women from getting infected by rapists, given the beliefs you mention.

[porphyrian]

42. I'd say putting more blood into the equation is the opposite of stopping HIV.

If that is the real purpose, it's a stupid idea.

[noiretextatique]

43. obviously...

a desperate measure for a desperate situation.

[porphyrian]

46. I think the first thing to do would be to dispel the myth about rape curing HIV.

I don't know who's spreading it, but they should be straightened out first, and right away. Then, people the African people trust, perhaps those spreading the lie now, need to explain the right way to stop HIV and AIDS. Measures are already afoot to break patent laws with regard to HIV drugs to make them affordable, so hopefully that won't be a barrier any longer sometime soon.

[noiretextatique]

48. it is a complex cultural problem

one that will take some time to change. in the interim, i agree that affordable drugs are a necessity.
i found an interesting (and sad) article of the subject:

http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/petition/babyrape.htm
A 2002 study conducted by the Women's Health Project in Galeshewe, a small township in Kimberley, Northern Cape, attempted to get to the bottom of how strong this belief was and how much it predicated attacks. They focused on three theories of what motivates rape: cleansing, prevention, and vengeance. (The cleansing theory is the belief that sleeping with a virgin or a grandmother can cure a man of HIV. The prevention theory leads men to choose young girls as partners because they believe they cannot get HIV from a virgin. The vengeance theory is that rape occurs as a result of men spreading the HI virus so that they will not have to die alone.)

[porphyrian]

49. Unfortunately, most problems are. And that article covers what I've heard...

...though it may or may not be completely accurate, as they explain. At any rate, we should be spending more time thinking about this problem than the latest rich as shit celebrity the media wants us to be obsessed with, because it won't be long before it is our problem as well, in some respect (not necessarily children being gang raped, but nearly an entire continent of HIV positive people).

[noiretextatique]

50. amen

i couldn't agree more. it saddens me that people think this issue is funny, or some zany feminist plot when so many lives are being affected by this epidemic.
thanks for the discussion.

[porphyrian]

56. No problem. HIV and AIDS can't be discussed enough until they're no longer an issue. - n/t

[jaysunb]

52. Definitely the "downside"

:evilfrown:

[spoony]

40. Yes, it's sad that there's even a need for something like this. n/t

[BlueIris]

58. What's this? A post by a SANE person? WOW.

I honestly cannot remember any poster here pointing out this obvious fact in any of our previous threads on this device.

(Belated) welcome, sane person. Welcome, indeed.

[krispos42]

30. What if the rapist is wearing a condom?

Will that protect the penis? Something to be considered if this is introduced here, where such things are common to protect against DNA evidence.

Maybe longer spikes. I'm thinking long enough for a through-and-through penetration of the penis as the rapist tries to withdraw after the first stroke.

Did I mention I hate rapists?

[dysfunctional press]

44. unless it's kevlar, i don't think it will help.

condoms are made to be as thin as possible, to heighten the sensations...ouch.

[originalpckelly]

54. Yep, this sucker looks like that pit creature in Return of the Jedi...

serves those rapist assholes right!

[w4rma]

31. Nice! They need that in South Africa. (nt)

[noiretextatique]

39. it is a sad commentary on the AIDS crisis

and the prevalence of rape in south africa.
sent you a pm :hi:

[jaysunb]

57. Check your in box

:hi:

[ismnotwasm]

45. The vagina isn't always used in rape

I'm not sure how big a deterrent this would be, or if the woman would "have time" to get away. I remember reading about this or a similar product some time ago. It IS a nice thought if the condom has to be surgically removed from rapist assholes.

As an aside, in the US (in Forensic circles) there is something called the "CSI effect" in crime. In the case of rapes, women are beginning to try to get DNA during attacks. In the case of rapists, they are trying to destroy DNA, as in one case where the rapist made his victim take a shower, and used leather gloves to attempt to clean areas where DNA was left.

[dysfunctional press]

47. it's kinda like a thong version of a chastity belt...

some of those things had some nasty spikes, and in today's world would probably carry warning like
"Caution- NO ENTRANCE. Severe penis damage will occur"

but how long will it be before someone tries to use it for revenge or something else...?
after all, 'hell hath no fury like a woman scorned'...

sooner or later, some women will get the idea to insert it before what would appear to be fully consensual sex- as revenge for a cheating spouse, or to frame someone for rape...

and in the much more common cases where it would be legitimately used, odds are very strong that the injured rapist will do further and even worse physical harm to the woman.

and if it causes penile bleeding, it could increase chances for exposure to hiv for the woman.

there are definitely some strong pros and cons regarding it's use/availablity.

[live love laugh]

51. That's hot. n/t

[jaysunb]

53. I thought so too until I saw post

#47....:rofl:

[LisaL]

55. I find the idea rather bizarre. First of all the woman would

have to be actually raped for this thing to work.

[noiretextatique]

62. unfortunately

women...and children are being raped, so...

[LisaL]

63. So, how is that an anti-rape devise when a woman has to be

raped in order for it to work? Hah?

[noiretextatique]

66. i think it is a desperate measure

for a desperate situation. very sad, indeed.

[aikoaiko]

64. I'd rather give my daughter or wife a 9mm.

I know many might disagree, but the vagina gizmo is too passive for my taste.

[WildEyedLiberal]

69. No shit

If you attempt to rape someone, you deserve WHATEVER happens to you.

Rape won't stop until men decide to stop raping women. And I really don't think men will stop raping women until they realize that they will lose their lives or their freedom. As long as the world keeps coming up with excuses and pardons for rapists, rape will continue.

[iverglas]

71. yup; find a discussion of sexual violence against women

and you'll find someone exploiting it to push the gun-head agenda.

[aikoaiko]

76. and hello to the anti-gunhead.

Just to let you know, its not a gun thing -- its a self-defense thing. If guns were not available I'd give my special someone a knife. If knives weren't available, I'd give something else to aid in his or her self-defense.

I know you well enough to know that you are not against someone defending him or herself from rape --- even if it meant using lethal force. That hasn't changed, has it?

[iverglas]

70. an old and very stupid idea

As has been pointed out, it would be a very foolish man who got the notion to assault a woman and didn't check for this object beforehand.

After the man is incapacitated, this ostensibly gives the woman time to escape.

Ostensibly. It also leaves her facing an enraged man who was presumably already able to overpower her, and may have confined her, and is unlikely to think twice about beating and possibly killing her.

Just one more fantasy that does nothing real to improve women's safety.

[RL3AO]

72. I saw an article a while ago against the sales of these in the U.S.

because they said a woman could use them as revenge against their husband/boyfriend. Anyway, is the rape rate high in South Africa?

[Clark2008]

74. Yes, the rape rate is that high in South Africa.

And, as far as the revenge thing... it would be assault if used for purposes other than proventative measures.

Why do men always assume women are out to get them (OK, some men)? Yes, women sometimes DO lie about rape and sometimes DO want revenge, but those are so rare compared with rape. Overall, the benefits of protecting a woman from further penetration, STDs and unwanted pregnancy as a result of thousands of instances of rape in this country IS more important than protecting your winkies from the handful of psycho women who may or may not seek revenge. OK?

[Clark2008]

73. Did you notice the comments from the men on that board?

All they were worried about was being "falsly accused" of rape and/or revenge because they slept around.

Geesch.

You know... if you were "invited" a little foreplay would tell you if the woman had something like that in and/or don't sleep around on your girlfriend/wife. Duh.

[jollyreaper2112]

75. I agree, the woman would likely be killed

It seems absurd but the attacker would likely see an attack condom as a 'dirty trick' during a lil' bit of innocent good ol' boy fun. There was a better idea put forward in an old scifi novel, Snowcrash. The defense condom there is called a vagina denta, a reference to the artistic motif of fang-mouthed vaginas seen in primitive art. In this case, the barbs in the condom deliver a powerful sedative and puts the attacker to sleep. But I think this would only be workable in a single attacker situation. In the case of multiple attackers, she's still in significant danger.

[uppityperson]

77. Rape is (often) violence disguised as sex.

I don't know if this would increase the violence, up the ante, or if it would be a good idea. I guess it depends on the situation and the rapist.