Oh no, there's a gay in my shower - I should run and talk to my chaplain

[BR_Parkway]

after all, he was so helpful in explaining how that whole "thou shalt not kill" goes hand in hand with my military service, he should be able to handle this one in a snap!

Seriously - what's with all the "run to the chaplain" questions in the DADT repeal survey? When I served, going to chapel was a way to get out of some crappy duty more often than not. Has it really changed so much into a religious/military since 1985 when I got out or are they simply trying to project this "we're loud, so there must be more of us around" image that the religious wrong has been so effectively cowing our Congress with since Falwell?

[MadMaddie]

1. This is the religious rights influence on the questionnaire

This is a huge problem in the military.

If these men and women are so frightened by showering with a gay person in the shower then what the hell are they doing in uniform. Seriously....

[HardWorkingDem]

12. Really, come on....

I really wish this entire issue would get solved and this country would progress enough for anyone to openly serve in the military and marry freely, but still, there are some issues of personal privacy that are involved. Discrimination should not be tolerated, but call people homophobes or what, each individual is different in their tolerance and their levels of privacy.


On average, does anyone really think that a bunch of women would want a heterosexual male showering with them? Does anyone think a group of lesbians would want the same? Some leering rude man making high school type comments? Does anyone really think a group of heterosexual males would want to be taking showers with a couple of Kathy Griffin or Sarah Silverman type women? Physically both are attractive, but can you imagine the comments they'd be hurling at someone?

Now, I haven't been in a military barracks for twenty years, so maybe all of them are finally to the point of dormitory type rooms with private showers, but when I was in the military the showers were shared. And while I'm hetro and am mature enough to not be able to care less if some gay man was ogling my privates, I am realistic to know that in this day and age, there are still some young men (or women) that might care.

And for all I know, maybe some gay people don't want to shower with straights for a variety of reasons themselves (fear from the intolerant or things like that).


So maybe, in the long run, private showers are the best way to go.

[EFerrari]

13. Um, they're already showering with each other. And probably without a chaplain!

[Gormy Cuss]

27. Maybe they are showering with the chaplain too.

Even clergy get dirty.

[MadMaddie]

17. I suppose the real question is how are European military

organizations surviving with gays integrated into their military? How is it that the U.S the supposed most advanced country in the world is unable to manage this type of integration?

If one is strong in their manhood or womanhood then they should not have an issue at all. Shower and get the hell out....

[HardWorkingDem]

23. Some day it would be grand....

if people would quit comparing the US to other countries for everything. Unfortunately, it seems because of our culture, we are bred a bit different than a lot of other places. In some ways I wish America were like other countries; take history for example. Wish the US paid more attention to history than the current generation, but it doesn't.

And I'm not sure what the militaries of other countrys do when it comes to showers and things like that. But if it takes the US to build private showers or whatnot, then that is what it should do.

[jonnyblitz]

2. back when i was in, navy chaplain would turn you in if you

confided that you were gay. As an atheist I avoided them like the plague anyway.

[LostinVA]

5. They still do -- they legally HAVE to

For anything the Military considers "bad." As do psychologists.

[jonnyblitz]

9. I actually wasn't aware of that, strangely enough. I figured it was

because we were demonized so badly even the chaplains had no use for us. some of THEM were gay, btw.

[LostinVA]

20. I was 99% sure, but I double-checked with my BIL

Who was a CW in the Army: Chaplains and Counselors/Mental Health professionals HAVE TO tell higher-ups if a service member says they're gay or think they're gay, and anything anything else against the UCMJ, or which might BECOME something against the UCMJ. My BIL has said before that two people he would never tell anything to in the military would be a chaplain or a psychologist.

[pscot]

3. Careful you don't trip on

the muslim under the bed.:rofl:

[Hissyspit]

4. The first thing you should ask the chaplain is why the Army allowed the showers to electrocute

so many of your fellow soldiers.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=4489783&page=1

[havocmom]

7. Good point

Makes a great LTTE too, if people see a lot of winger letters on this matter in their local papers.

[jp11]

6. It was written with an agenda, westat's or in my opinion at the direction of someone in the pentagon

but who really knows how or what westat was actually told when commissioned to create the survey.

[havocmom]

8. I see the unreccers are not happy with you LOL

Suppose it was the servility choir, roving bands of towel snappers, or overworked military clerics tired of dealing with paranoid bigots?

The military marriage to RW hate filled fundy xians is a cause for alarm IMHO. And you are right. the xians are a noisy minority acting like the puffer fish who was once their loud leader to bully Congress. I keep hoping more Christians will challenge and expose the haters for the insults to their Savior's teachings that they are.

[Hannah Bell]

10. maybe something to do with this?

As one reads or recites the facts surrounding Abu Ghraib, one is tempted to ask how the American military, with its code of ethics as reflected in the high traditions of West Point and our Naval Academy—where men and women are imbued in the tradition of honor— could have turned into such a ruthless band of sadists? The answer is: They didn’t. Someone else did it.

There is evidence the U.S. military, like the Southern Baptist Convention before it, has been targeted as an institution to be taken over and replaced with dominionists who are decidedly less educated and less honorable.

http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/InfiltratingTheUSMilitaryGenBoykinsWarriors.html



CA Democrats Pull Award From Key Leader Fighting Theocratic Takeover of Military
Bruce Wilson print page
Fri May 28, 2010 at 08:03:05 PM EST

According to Former US Ambassador Joe Wilson, Military Religious Freedom Foundation founder and head Mikey Weinstein has placed his life on the line in an ongoing campaign that has "almost single handedly" blunted an evangelical attempt to take over the US military. Presumably that's why the influential and affluent Pacific Palisades Democratic Club of Santa Monica, California had offered Weinstein the club's Anne Froelich Political Courage Award, which in the past has gone to heavy hitters such as Ron Kovich, Phil Donahue, Daniel Ellsberg, and Joseph and Valerie Wilson. But the club has just withdrawn its offer. The stated reason ? - Mikey Weinstein served in the first Reagan Administration.

http://www.talk2action.org/story/2010/5/28/2035/36235/Dominionism_in_the_military/CA_Democrats_Pull_Award_From_Key_Leader_Fighting_Theocratic_Takeover_of_Military

[RKP5637]

15. I'm starting to wonder when a sizable number of citizens will need to try to

seek asylum in another country. The weird shit in this country seems to keep increasing and increasing.

[RKP5637]

11. This country has so many problems the list pales ones mind. And now we have to

have surveys... Enough already with the gay stuff in this country. Get rid of DADT, get rid of all of the crap against gay marriage and move on. The issues that rise to the top as major issues is this place loosely called a country is staggering.

[Touchdown]

14. When I was in the Army, the chaplains were the biggest hypocrites on Earth.

My Drill Sgt. called me and a buddy "heathens" when everybody else went to church (yeah. There were only 2 of us heathens, he laughed). I'd rather sweep floors than listen to one more work of those blowhards. Most of the other privates were just going to church to get out of work. It didn't get any better when I got to Germany.

Jesus loves you when you kill Russians!:puke:

[HillWilliam]

16. In a combat zone, the gay guy in the shower close to you

isn't that interested in peeking at your d*ck. Trust me (and I speak with a little bit of experience) he's more worried about not getting his shot off by some sniper that day. The last company I was in, I was by far not the only gay soldier. Nobody gave a damn. We went in the shower to get clean. Period. I could only suspect that today's military is equally committed to doing their jobs the same way we did. Y'do. Y'job. and don't crap where y'eat.

I downloaded and read the questionnaire from Scribd. "Push poll" gunning against repealing DADT would be a kind assessment. It not only sells GLBT people short, it sells the rest of our military short. To me, it looks clearly designed to satisfy the fat old white guys at the top to keep the status quo.

[BR_Parkway]

21. Aint that the truth - notice a huge lack of anything that might actually

give a positive answer about open service. Or even ~ "Now that you know that there are 60,000 active duty gays and lesbians who presumably shower in the military and have been since you started serving your tour, has that affected you in the least?" Has that impaired your ability to shoot straight? To throw a hand-grenade?

I'm probably a little biased, but I'd like the guy in the foxhole with me to have a little crush on me - it may make his stretch just a bit more to save my ass if it came down to it. Sure worked for Alexander, but hey what would a heathen like that know about military cohesiveness?

[Yeahyeah]

18. I've just come out with a line of "Shower modesty tubes" I'm trying to

interest the Pentagon in.6' tall by 3' wide,made of lightweight,durable polystyrene and come in 2 colors,"Desert Sand" and "Classic Army Green".And The word "shower" in the name refers to the word "shower" as in "to take a shower",not to the word "shower" as in "a grower not a shower".

[JoeyT]

19. Why would that do any good?

"Chaplain! Chaplain! There's a gay in my shower!!! What would Jesus do?!"
"I dunno kid. He never really said anything about gays. We start rolling out Leviticus and we're all fucked. Go take a shower."

[DavidDvorkin]

22. "Stay here!" says the chaplain. "I'll go take care of the problem.

I may be a while."

[undeterred]

24. Who do you talk to if there's a gay chaplain in the shower?

[Touchdown]

25. Hey Preacher! Dare's a homo eyeballin' me in dat indoor rain thing!

[Bluebear]

26. Don't shower!! Ever again!!! Before talking to the preacher!!1