Three American soldiers are captured,this is why you don't torture.

[Swede]

What comes around,goes around.

[rocktivity]

1. Captured? What do you mean, "captured"?

THEIR soldiers get CAPTURED. OUR soliders merely get KIDNAPPED! The insurgents aren't professional enough to take prisoners--they aren't even professional enough to be called the enemy!

:eyes:
rocknation

[orpupilofnature57]

5. Using Semantics doesn't cover up the fact we are the Misanthrope INVADERS.

[rocktivity]

10. I stand corrected

We're using Semantics? I thought we were using Sunnis and Shias.

:evilgrin:
rocknation

[orpupilofnature57]

18. There you are 100% correct!

[RufusTFirefly]

28. Careful or you might be accused of being anti-semantic n/t

[Morgana LaFey]

32. There's a lot of anti-semantics here

Way too much, in fact.

:rofl:

[Solly Mack]

2. You don't torture because it's wrong

because sure as shit, some asswipe will excuse/justify torture because "they did it to us too!"

[tabasco]

8. That's right. But there are pragmatic reasons as well.

The OP is correct that it will prevent revenge torture. Also, the information obtained through these means is inaccurate.

But your point is spot on. We are supposed to be the good guys. I don't want to live in a Nation that condones torture.

[hwmnbn]

3. When I heard about this story.....

that was my first thought. This doesn't look good.

[DS1]

4. And tonights evening news will continue to be feel-good bullshit

about some chicken farm in Iowa.

[orpupilofnature57]

6. MSM has been the biggest Enabler ,Facilitator and Benefactors.

They are being Impeached right now .

[MikeNearMcChord]

7. Or a bloodthirsty rant on Fox.

On why we should destroy the "untermenschen" islamofascist/maniac/Al-Qaida/yadda yadda.

[Toots]

9. I don't think they will torture Americans, they are not as sub-human

I look at how Iran treated it's recent captives of British Navy personnel. They were treated with dignity which is something the USA simply does not understand. Hell the USA can't even treat regular Iraqis with common decency let alone captives....

[Blue_Roses]

11. You're kidding right?

If these guys are brutal enough to kill five other soldiers, what makes you think they won't torture these three guys? It doesn't look good and I feel for them and their families. This madness has to stop!

:banghead:

[Toots]

17. No I am not kidding

They may execute them and probably will. Even by decapitation but that is not torture. In fact many have said decapitation is by far the most "humane" way to end one's life. It is very swift and painless. I doubt very much there will be any torture. What would be the purpose? These people are fighting for their very existance as a country. They are not Al Qaeda, they are very desparate people using the most desparate messure one can imagine but not torture. What Americans have they tortured so far? Jessica lynch? :shrug:

[DS1]

19. swift and painless? You are on some serious medication

Don't make me have to drag up a link of what one of these 'swift and painless' decapitations looks like. They certainly aren't using guillotines.

oh, and there's that slight matter of the 2 soldiers they drilled, burned, and then decapitated

[tblue37]

26. Those were revenge killings, for the rape and murder of that

14-year-old girl and her family.

But there certainly is a lot of torture going on over there. Electric drills are among the favorite torture devices.

[DS1]

27. I know what they were

but that doesn't change what was done. The poster I was replying to has this fantasy-land vision of beheadings as almost surgical processes.

[Igel]

24. Have you considered the bodies fairly routinely found around

Iraq. Kneecaps drilled, burned ... evidently tortured. Now, what's the purpose in those tortures?

It makes them feel good, it feeds their sense of justice, it restores their honor.

[alphafemale]

25. A decapitation is not quick and painless the way they do it.

The head is sawed off. The person is screaming in pain and horror.

[Qutzupalotl]

34. Thomas Tucker was tortured and mutilated.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/06/20/soldiers.missing/

Since these soldiers are "missing", we don't know who is responsible. I think it is premature to rule out Al Qaeda.

[blondeatlast]

14. I wish I shared your optimism, but I've lived through Viet Nam and

all that followed.

And our "enemies" over there are not bound by the Geneva Conventions in any way, shape, or form.

[Kelly Rupert]

29. Oh, really? That's new on me. (NSFW pics)

Just because one side is full of scumbags doesn't mean the other one isn't.

[blondeatlast]

12. Exactly. Obviously, an ethical nation doesn't torture because torture is wrong,

but we can't speak from moral authority when we have none.

God help those soldiers and may their captors be more compassionate than we are.

[porphyrian]

13. Ignoring the Geneva Conventions is treason, no matter how you slice it.

It is a conscious act that puts all Americans in mortal danger.

[gratuitous]

15. You've heard of the Ugly American?

Well, there are Blind Americans, too. I hope the soldiers are released safe and unharmed, though that's certainly a level of humanity we have no right to expect. But if all we get back are mangled bodies, there will be Blind Americans who will ramp up the bloodlust and demand "revenge" for this "senseless slaughter," and be quite willing to malign and denigrate any of their fellow citizens who point out that this is a just desert of our own policies and behavior, completely predictable and expected given what has gone on before.

[malaise]

16. Couldn't say it better

The bully always bawls first when cornered. I just pity these young men and women who have been ordered into harm's way.

[Hepburn]

20. K&R

Yes....if the US tortures soldiers/citizens of other nations, we have no one to blame but ourselves when they do the same to our captured soldiers and/or citizens.

Maybe it is about time for some of the idiot 30% to realize that their hero * is the cause of any horrible conduct which is directed towards our soldiers and citizens.

Fuck the RW neocons and their idiot policies and their idiot supporters. :mad:

[90-percent]

21. lets inject some reason here

If the USA tortures people, then the USA has no moral basis to demand others do not torture our citizens and service persons.

This is as anti-support-our-troops as it could possibly get! This reprehensible conduct of our government PROVES BEYOND ALL DOUBT that this administration could GIVE A RATS ASS about all the poor troops they put "in harms way". By practicing US Government approved torture we are confirming that the patriotic young people that volunteer to serve their country are considered as some form of human fodder to feed our war machine. US Troops = weapons grade soylent green, you might say.

-85% Jimmy

[Hepburn]

23. Amen!!!

You said that soooooooo well!

[rocktivity]

36. DING DING DING! 90 Percent, you're our grand prize winner!

If the USA tortures...then the USA has no moral basis to demand (that) others do not...

The downsides of torture are its unreliability and its giving justification to the enemy to torture in return. And "outsourcing" the torture through "extraordinary rendition" does not let the offending government off the hook.

:headbang:
rocknation

[jmatthan]

35. ..."if the US tortures soldiers/citizens of other nations"

Only of other nations?

The US Administration has been using WMD, and torturing and killing its own people for tens of decades, but that seems to get by most Americans. (I think I once read a book called "Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee".)

Saddam Hussain used WMD on his own people! Has the anthrax terrorist been found?

How many examples are required of how the US Government tested all sorts of weapons, including biological on its own people?

Just Google that and you will find the answer!

[blondeatlast]

22. John McCain. sleep well tonight. At least they aren't your children.

God help all the captives (not just the Americans) and I pray they find mercy from those controlling their fate. :cry:

[Marrah_G]

30. Please remember these are our soldiers

They could have been Maggievaults brother, Binka's son. It could be my brother. It could be the loved one of any number of DUers with family in harms way. These people will not show those soldiers any mercy. Pray, wish, hope, whatever your beliefs may be that those boys somehow come home to their loved ones or at the very least die with at little pain as possible. Each one of them has a family here at home that is terrified.

Things like this scare the hell out of me. The only thing worse then hearing my brother was dead would be to hear these madmen had captured him. I pray to my Gods/Godesses that this whole thing ends quickly and peace is found somehow.

[Swede]

31. Please remember that it's us bleeding heart liberals that can never forget that.

It's that neocons that will drum up support for more war with this,the liberals who will say bring the boys back home.

[LibertyorDeath]

33. We shouldn't torture because it is

A Sub-Human act that is criminal and immoral

and against International Law.

Plus what comes around goes around but that's lower on the list imo.....

[sanskritwarrior]

37. Huh I have forgotten

Exactly how many troops captured by insurgents have been tortured and then let go?? I forgot how many of my brothers and sisters have been detained by the insurgents eventually went back to their families? Oh yeah zero.......

:eyes:

Great we commit horrible injustice at Abu Ghraib, so every American captured gets far worse treatment.........:eyes:

Again I hate to point out the obvious, but if you want to know why a lot of the military that I serve with are anti-Democrat, threads where people don't condemn insurgents for killing their prisoners are a good place to start.

We detain people, sometimes they are innocent people........most times not so innocent. When Abu Ghraib became a news story, some people were held accountable, not anyone in leadership but someone paid for that injustice. That now makes 9 American soldiers that have been captured since 2004, 5 of which were found mutilated, 1 missing for 3 years and now these 3. If these 3 are found mutilated, how many people on DU will condemn the insurgents? The US is condemned for Abu Ghraib all the time (rightsully so) I expect to see the insurgent condemnation threads.........I'll do it myself if no one else does........

I love this place and don't plan on leaving anytime soon, but it is incredibly frustrating seeing some of the comments by a few posters here about me and my fellow soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines. I won't call anyone out but some of you should be ashamed for your opinion of the US military.

[Philosoraptor]

38. I assume the worst, and I blame OUR 'LEADERS' for every death.

[sanskritwarrior]

39. Leadership can obviously be blamed

but are individuals that engage in war crimes also not to be denigrated? I shun and denounce any of my fellow military peers that engage in war crimes, I would expect most DUers to have enough common sense to denounce insurgents for the same........

[Philosoraptor]

40. I can agree with you.

People who engage in inhuman activities, torture, slaughter, etc., deserve no praise.