This Whole War Thing Has Got Me Down.

[Octafish]

I'm not into Empire -- especially the NAZI kind.



That's the ultimate reason for the poll I posted asking about medication and depression.

Want to thank all who participated in the survey and a big thanks to all who wrote a reply. It means a lot to me that so many give a damn about health -- theirs and others -- in all its forms, including psychic, mental and spiritual health.

What's striking about the data is they reflect the fact so many wonderful people are in pain. The individual observations reinforced the many ways we have for dealing with a crazy world. For that is what the situation is, at heart. It's not us who is crazy. It is the world.

What's causing me, and I believe what's causing many DUers pain, is the fact that my nation uses war to advance its interests, what one recent pretzeldent said "trumps peace."

And by "its" I don't mean We the People. "Its" refers to the few Oh-So-Social elements of high society who actually are warmongering traitors. And that makes me feel down in a way that no drug or therapy or kind words can cure.

[Goldstein1984]

1. When I read statistics on the use of antidepressants

increasing during the Bush Administration, I joked that people could stop taking them now that George Bush isn't President anymore.

I spoke too soon.

[Octafish]

3. Amazing that We the People vote to end war and we still have war.

With all the television We the People watch -- about four hours per person per day on average -- I seriously doubt the majority of Americans know the cost of war -- in people, national resources, taxes, and good will. They certainly don't see what war has done to our democracy and constitution. Remember when no one was above the law?

[Goldstein1984]

6. I don't thing the problem is the cost of war in dollars

It's that all Americans don't share the cost of war in lives lost and destroyed.

Right now, it's easy to be a war monger because only disposable citizens are dying. Bush's daughters would never go to war. Obama's daughters will never go to war. Most armchair tacticians don't have children in the military.

Restore the draft, without deferrals or exceptions, and make the draft coed, and watch the anti-war movement grow.

[Octafish]

8. Each life is infinitely invaluable.

Well put, Emanuel. The prophetic work is not discussed on television and radio and seldom in print. As you know, there's a reason for it.

"The old civilizations claimed that they were founded on love or justice. Ours is founded upon hatred. In our world there will be no emotions except fear, rage, triumph, and self-abasement. Everything else we shall destroy— everything." -- George Orwell, 1984 -III.3

The ones playing life and death -- the "deciders" of who and where and what to attack -- are the ones who cause the problem. They fear people knowing the truth. If all were to be subject to the draft, all would know what war is about and who it profits.

I don't plan to die hating them. That's not my definition of freedom nor how I intend for my last thought.

[leftstreet]

2. K&R

Great reference links

That photo of Orlov always creeps me out
:scared:

[Octafish]

5. The guy was a player.

Diminutive in size, Orlov was a world-class, stonecold-hearted licensed-to-kill masterspy backstabbing sonofabitch. And he looks it.

[leveymg]

10. You know there were several Orlovs before Igor, the one profiled by Trento

There was also Alesandr, the one who came a KGB Colonel who visited the US in 1934. During that visit to NY, he appears to have been turned by the Americans. That Orlov went on to run the Soviet espionage operation in England where he was Philby's NKVD case manager and also ran the rest of the Cambridge 5. You understand the implications of that. If the US knew that Philby and the others were Soviet agents all that time, it puts an entirely different spin on the history of Cold War intelligence.

He was also in charge of strategically disastrous Russian operations in Spain during the Civil War, which appeared to have been sabotaged from within, yet strangely he survived the failures, before he openly defected to the US in 1938. Here's a book about that Orlov:



There a better book about Alesandr Orlov: Alexander Orlov: The FBI's KGB General by Edward Gazur (out of print). But, read them both.

There's an earlier, equally interesting Orlov, about whom I will tell you some time.

[Octafish]

14. ''Orlov'' sounds Russian for ''Arbusto.''

Way back when, in another life, almost, I drew a cartoon showing Pruneface and Gorby going for "a walk in the woods" at Camp David or wherever the dacha was. As they walked they talked about how hard it is limiting the number of nuclear warheads in their respective arsenals. They give up trying when they realize that arms control would be most limiting to the longterm interests of their respective country's ruling elites.

Regarding that Orlov who ran Kim Philby and the rest of the Supermoles: The Soviet Missiles weren't even out of the box and somebody in Washington knew about it. In fact, Sen. Kenneth Keating demanded JFK do something about it before the CIA told Kennedy about the missiles. Would think someone at The New York Times would have noticed.

Thanks for the info, leveymg. Can't wait to learn about the Archaeorlovology.

[Hydra]

4. The sensitive have a problem with the crazy

The people suffering have a heart. The ones who don't aren't wounded, because it doesn't touch them.

"Drill baby drill!"

"Nuke the middle east! Let God sort them out!"

"Kill the non-believers!"

What do they have to worry about? It's not like one of us will stop them.

[Octafish]

7. Crippled Inside

Crippled Inside

You can shine your shoes and wear a suit
You can comb your hair and look quite cute
You can hide your face behind a smile
One thing you can't hide
Is when you're crippled inside
You can wear a mask and paint your face
You can call yourself the human race
You can wear a collar and a tie
One thing you can't hide
Is when you're crippled inside

Well now you know that your
Cat has nine lives
Nine lives to itself
But you only got one
And a dog's life ain't fun
Mamma take a look outside

You can go to church and sing a hymn
You can judge me by the color of my skin
You can live a lie until you die
One thing you can't hide
Is when you're crippled inside

Well now you know that your
Cat has nine lives
Nine lives to itself
But you only got one
And a dog's life ain't fun
Mamma take a look outside

You can go to church and sing a hymn
You can judge me by the color of my skin
You can live a lie until you die
One thing you can't hide
Is when you're crippled inside

One thing you can't hide
Is when you're crippled inside
One thing you can't hide
Is when you're crippled inside

-- John Lennon

Truth, my Friend. It will stop them. And that is why they fear it.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

9. I'm of the belief dear Octafish, that we are passed the point of no return

and for all the years I railed against what was happening, have been powerless to do anything. Several weeks ago, I decided to surrender, for now. I'm just so emotionally tired from it all.

[truedelphi]

13. I think you'll get the "oomph" back

Take all the time you need, to put yourself back in working order.

If you have worked for so long, you deserve a break.

But one day, when you least expect it, something will re-ignite your energy, and when you look inside to see if you have the "oomph" to take on a local cause or some larger battle, it will be back.

And a lot of things are happening now, in the "Collective Unconscious" that Jung spoke of. We may think we are giving up "on the outside" but on the inside things are resolving themselves, quietly, like the mighty earthworm making bits of clay into fertile soil.

[UTUSN]

11. Oct, you have been my inspiration & friend forever & we DEPEND ON YOU.

If I thought that the massive intellect you bless us with were stimied, I would think there is no hope for any of us, and I KNOW this is not the case.

[truedelphi]

12. Thank you Octafish.

Thank you again and again.

And K & R.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

15. You may never know the final impact of the work you do.

But, trust those that so heartily acknowledge your outstanding efforts to out the truth, miracles happen exactly because of such perseverance.

I wish you a respite, and some solace... :fistbump:

Be well.