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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 12:14 PM Original message |
Cheap Gas? |
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DJ13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 12:22 PM Response to Original message |
1. The MSM supports higher prices because they're owned by |
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Oceansaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 12:23 PM Response to Original message |
2. 2 yrs. ago it was $4.11 p/g here...nt |
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The2ndWheel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 12:23 PM Response to Original message |
3. There isn't a damn thing cheap about a buck and a quarter gas |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 12:28 PM Response to Original message |
4. yes - cheap gas - just not based on US consumers |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 01:50 PM Response to Reply #4 |
18. So you want poor people to suffer more? Lose the pathetic jobs they have because they |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 02:37 PM Response to Reply #18 |
44. You ignore the obvious. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 02:40 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. The OBVIOUS is rationing. But, that would be to RATIONAL for you. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 02:52 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. Yeah I "threatened you" with advocating for a rise in minimum wage. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 01:13 PM Response to Reply #49 |
75. Your threat was finally erased. Since that was ALL it cost you this time, you would be wise to |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 03:57 PM Response to Reply #75 |
82. The only one making threats is you and pathetic ones at that. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 04:14 PM Response to Reply #82 |
85. Your dishonesty gains you nothing. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 05:14 PM Response to Reply #85 |
93. No post of mine on this thread has been deleted or "erased" n/t |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 12:30 PM Response to Original message |
5. 2.75 is not cheap? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 12:39 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Deleted sub-thread |
bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 01:52 PM Response to Reply #5 |
20. Damned right. AND Europe doesn't have good public transportation, either. |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 12:32 PM Response to Original message |
6. 'Cheap' oil is only $10 - $20 per barrel. A barrel of oil now costs ~$75. |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 12:41 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Clinton done good, eh? |
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taught_me_patience (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 12:36 PM Response to Original message |
7. Cheap gas and big cars are going to ruin the environment |
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XOKCowboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 01:19 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. I saw gas going for 2 Euros per LITER in Europe... |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 01:57 PM Response to Reply #7 |
21. Study after study shows no such thing. Hummer drivers laugh at high gas prices. |
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taught_me_patience (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 02:02 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. Please cite your sources |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 02:04 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. YOU made the claim otherwise, YOU do the proof. |
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taught_me_patience (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 02:17 PM Response to Reply #28 |
37. I guess you can't |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 02:19 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. Obviously, you have no proof, so the bullshit is yours. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 02:20 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. However demand has a long lag and we didn't have $4 per gallon gasoline for very long. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 10:12 PM Response to Reply #37 |
67. question is, whose demand? high gas prices are a trifle to people with lots of money. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 02:03 PM Response to Reply #21 |
26. Resale values for SUV hit all time low in 2008. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 12:57 PM Response to Original message |
10. Gasoline is heavily subsidized. $2.75 is cheap gas. |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 01:25 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. So |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 01:48 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. No. Not that at all. |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 02:04 PM Response to Reply #16 |
27. Not a bad theory |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 02:07 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. "And so, who is to blame? The victims?" |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 02:21 PM Response to Reply #31 |
40. Ok |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 02:28 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. What? |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 02:40 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Sorry |
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The2ndWheel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 02:48 PM Response to Reply #31 |
47. Why bother raising the cost of gas then? |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 02:55 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. Of course, which is why rationing is the only LOGICAL way to reduce useage. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 02:55 PM Response to Reply #47 |
51. That would only be true if gasoline existed in a vacuum. |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 03:04 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. How do you tax electricity? |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 03:07 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. Personally this is what I would do. |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 03:31 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. That is the current idea |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 03:45 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. However weights at registration are bogus. |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 03:59 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. Yep |
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ThomThom (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 05:08 PM Response to Reply #56 |
61. So we raise the price of gas, encourage more fuel efficiency |
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ThomThom (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 04:55 PM Response to Reply #31 |
59. We need to get people out of their cars and onto efficient, clean |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 01:59 PM Response to Reply #13 |
23. Well, it won't cost very much to cremate all the poor folk who die, now will it? |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 02:07 PM Response to Reply #13 |
30. THE solution is rationing, and the US has done that before. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 02:08 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. rationing is the solution? Really it was utterly horrible as a policy. |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 05:09 PM Response to Reply #30 |
62. Rationing? |
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taterguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 05:34 PM Response to Reply #30 |
65. So if we ration gas, what should the limit be? |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 01:12 PM Response to Reply #65 |
74. Combust that strawman, please. |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 01:17 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. Actually, it is a good question |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 01:37 PM Response to Reply #76 |
77. Of course it must be discussed, if the whole issue is to be taken seriously. |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 01:47 PM Response to Reply #77 |
78. No... not directed at you.. or homeless |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 01:55 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. That would be a great OP, and judging from your handling this issue here, I |
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PJPhreak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 02:00 PM Response to Reply #30 |
80. Rationing did not work in the 70's |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 03:09 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. You are wrong on the rising taxes, and it has been proved over and over and over... |
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PJPhreak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 04:01 PM Response to Reply #81 |
83. First... |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 04:03 PM Response to Reply #83 |
84. Congradulations on being a "Gearhead" |
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PJPhreak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 04:15 PM Response to Reply #84 |
86. I can be a "Gearhead' and an "Enviromentalist" at the same time! |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 04:20 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. Environmentalists have NOT been listening to poor folk, and don't seem to be willing to. |
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PJPhreak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 04:29 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. Without Environmentalists... |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 04:45 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. Without us, you environmentalists don't have the votes. |
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PJPhreak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 04:53 PM Response to Reply #89 |
90. You are right... |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 04:55 PM Response to Reply #90 |
91. You are determined to ignore the effects on poor people, so there is no use |
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PJPhreak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 05:03 PM Response to Reply #91 |
92. no.... |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 05:16 PM Response to Reply #92 |
94. There are facts about poverty, too, but that is not of interest to you. |
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PJPhreak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 05:42 PM Response to Reply #94 |
95. No... |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 01:22 PM Response to Original message |
12. Price has changed little since 1979 (adjusted for inflation) |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 01:44 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. Oh? |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 01:46 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. Lol |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 01:49 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Fact? |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 01:52 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. No you just cherry picked a single data point. |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 02:11 PM Response to Reply #19 |
33. So |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 02:16 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. If you want to go way back then go all the way back. |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 02:50 PM Response to Reply #35 |
48. Heh |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 01:34 AM Response to Reply #35 |
73. it looks like there's a price "crash" at the start of a recession/depression, followed by a bubble. |
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Art_from_Ark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 11:07 PM Response to Reply #33 |
72. Gas in the Summer of '78 was sometimes less than 40 cents/gallon |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 10:21 PM Response to Reply #19 |
68. federal minimum wage is $7.25, not $7.50. |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 01:58 PM Response to Reply #17 |
22. Ooooh, conspiracy stuff too! |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 02:15 PM Response to Reply #22 |
34. 1980...? |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 02:17 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. "You and your single data points" |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 02:24 PM Response to Reply #36 |
41. So |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 02:27 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Look, you've been pwned |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 02:59 PM Response to Reply #42 |
52. What are you talking about? |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 02:01 PM Response to Reply #14 |
24. Minimum wage in '68 was the equivalent of $10 per hour now. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 02:05 PM Response to Reply #24 |
29. Deleted message |
Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 10:34 PM Response to Reply #14 |
70. federal min wage = $7.25. it's equivalent (inflation-adjusted) to minimum in 1958. |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 11:01 PM Response to Reply #70 |
71. I stand corrected |
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ThomThom (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 04:37 PM Response to Original message |
58. it is cheap gas |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 04:59 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. Tell ya what |
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ThomThom (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 05:14 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. it is cheap |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 05:26 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. Oil in the ground is free |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 09:35 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. Oil in the ground isn't useful. |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 10:33 PM Response to Reply #66 |
69. fine |
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