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elehhhhna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 09:41 AM Original message |
You'd think a Capitalist Mecca like the US would look for & embrace "Best Practices" |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 09:48 AM Response to Original message |
1. Our economic problems are primarily caused by lost manufacturing jobs, not service jobs. Please list |
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elehhhhna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 09:59 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. there is a manufacturing base in Germany, Holland, etc. ad nauseum BUT |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 10:08 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Please list just one of the "Best Practices" that you generalize about. n/t |
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elehhhhna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 10:13 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Okay. In general, I'm referring to socialistic policies: |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 10:21 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Please describe how "accessible affordable reliable regulated childcare" reduces the cost of |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 10:22 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Slap tariffs on imported goods so domestic ones can compete. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 10:27 AM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Interesting idea but what if other countries reciprocate? The US $900 billion trade deficit doesn't |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 10:52 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Newsflash: They already do. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 11:34 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Have you written Obama asking him to fight for protective tariffs as hard as he fought for universal |
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area51 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 11:53 AM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Obama fought for universal health care? |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 11:56 AM Response to Reply #15 |
16. Hi area51, do you support increasing protective tariffs? n/t |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 06:10 AM Response to Reply #16 |
95. Many of us believe our tariffs |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 12:28 PM Response to Reply #13 |
18. Pat Buchanan also opposed the Iraq war. Does that mean DUers have to support it now? |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 12:40 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. OP recommended "embrace Best Practices". Do you believe protective tariffs are best practices? n/t |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 12:43 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. It's all relative. |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 12:47 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Unless the workes are the shareholders |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 01:02 PM Response to Reply #23 |
31. See #29 re best practices. n/t |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 06:11 AM Response to Reply #23 |
96. +1 nt |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 12:46 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. Yes |
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elehhhhna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 10:48 AM Response to Reply #7 |
10. no thanks, you're right. Let's give up! |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 11:28 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. LOL you know I didn't suggest "Let's give up!" Have a great day and please keep thinking about the |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 11:41 AM Response to Reply #7 |
14. Socializing that sector would make it cheaper.Workers with children would require less compensation |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 12:03 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Please explain specifically how your "Socializing" would reduce the total cost of manufacturing such |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 12:32 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. Several thousand dollars of the production cost of a US-made car is health care to workers. eom |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 12:42 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. What is your point? The OP is about best practices. n/t |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 12:44 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. "best practices" should include lowering the cost of production, right? |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 12:58 PM Response to Reply #24 |
29. "best practices" in manufacturing discussions are those that reduce cost, improve quality, improve |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 01:04 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. Are you playing semantics police? |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 01:13 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. LOL, OP said "Capitalist Mecca . . . embrace 'Best Practices'". What type of functions do you think |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 01:20 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. The subject in the OP is the US government. Plain and simple. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 01:34 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. OP author used Capitalist Mecca to begin the subject giving capitalism the focus. I understand how |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 01:37 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. The OP focused on the US and what policies it should embrace |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 01:53 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. I understand Oregone believes Socialism good, Capitalism bad. So re OP do you propose nationalizing |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 02:07 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. Everything depends on context. There is no one economy thats "good" for everyone |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 02:31 PM Response to Reply #46 |
50. I've learned from history and realize that in general individuals are motivated by self-interest not |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 02:47 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. So? |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 02:58 PM Response to Reply #52 |
57. OK but to "lower the overhead" etc. one must directly affect the bottom line of businesses. That |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 03:03 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. Yes, and if a business spends less on energy, communications, or worker entitlements... |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 03:14 PM Response to Reply #59 |
63. What you describe in your last paragraph is how you benefit directly from subsidies provided by |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 03:16 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. I pay my fair share and it has nothing to do with subsidies |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 03:21 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. If your "fair share" does not include all costs then you are being subsidized by others. Somebody |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 03:39 PM Response to Reply #68 |
79. In an insurance system, few at any one time pay into it an equivilent amount that they take out |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 04:04 PM Response to Reply #79 |
83. I did not say you didn't pay your fair share. I said "If your 'fair share' does not include all |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 04:09 PM Response to Reply #83 |
85. Insurance is about spreading risk and subsidizing costs of other |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 04:31 PM Response to Reply #85 |
90. I do hate some "forms of insurance" like government subsidies for people to cheaply insure homes on |
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elehhhhna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 03:33 PM Response to Reply #36 |
74. jody didn't read too much into the thread -- jody didn't read to OP |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 03:58 PM Response to Reply #74 |
81. Perhaps you don't understand that all services provided by government in your "Capitalist Mecca" are |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 04:03 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. Perhaps you don't understand, those entrepreneurs save money in a society with those services |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 04:07 PM Response to Reply #82 |
84. If you want to argue that society should subsidize entrepreneurs like you then please describe the |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 04:14 PM Response to Reply #84 |
86. I don't. I haven't. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 04:21 PM Response to Reply #86 |
88. Darn it, I was looking forward to ideas about how society should help start-ups. See my DU post on |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 04:24 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. Thats another topic, but you know that lowering operating overhead will help startups |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 04:38 PM Response to Reply #89 |
91. I've helped many small businesses and found that most potential entrepreneurs have the knowledge, |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 04:40 PM Response to Reply #91 |
92. Why thank you |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 04:48 PM Response to Reply #92 |
93. Understand but "pure gold" reinvested provides jobs and that's where the real stimulus begins. n/t |
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elehhhhna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 03:30 PM Response to Reply #22 |
73. jody, seriously, what part don't you understand? |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 04:17 PM Response to Reply #73 |
87. Sure "best practices" apply to any function but given your use of "Capitalist Mecca" I discussed |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 12:33 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. "robbing Peter to pay Paul" |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 12:50 PM Response to Reply #20 |
27. OP suggested "embrace 'Best Practices'" that in manufacturing parlance means business practices |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 12:55 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. Wow |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 01:01 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. Note I said "reduce TOTAL cost of production" . What you recommend is shifting part of the cost of |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 01:07 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. What part of saving $400 billion a year that you don't understand? |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 01:17 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. Please provide links to data proving $400 billion has been saved. All I've read is claims from |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 01:28 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. Ive already pointed you the the New England Journal of Medicine |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 01:35 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. I'm sorry you could not support your assertion re $400 billion saved. Have a great day. n/t |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 01:39 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. Sorry you cannot read a journal entry |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 01:47 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Why persist when you and I both know there are no savings documented, only savings that someone |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 01:56 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. For the love of God...why persist at playing semantics police? |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 02:10 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. You use lots of words to disguise the obvious fact you believe everything your particular politician |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 02:14 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. And you use any words possible to avoid a real debate |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 02:41 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. Come on now, surely you've participate in or been privy to government studies that claimed benefits |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 02:48 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. You're right. Government spending is always bad. Its a rule afterall |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 03:01 PM Response to Reply #53 |
58. LOL but government is not efficient nor effective when performing many functions. n/t |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 03:05 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. Funny that. Because private industry isn't kicking a whole lotta ass in many respects |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 03:19 PM Response to Reply #60 |
67. Are you sure that your "socialized energy costs" include all costs or does the provider receive |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 03:35 PM Response to Reply #67 |
75. "does the provider receive subsidies" |
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elehhhhna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 03:27 PM Response to Reply #14 |
71. Ore, you totally need to post that as a separate thread |
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enlightenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 09:50 AM Response to Original message |
2. They need to understand what 'best practices' means, |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 10:06 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. 'best practices' may produce products chosen by a committee or it may produce products chosen by |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 02:01 PM Response to Original message |
45. First mistake to asume we live in a Capitalist system |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 02:09 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. Leave capitalism alone! |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 02:50 PM Response to Reply #45 |
54. Our economic system still evolving encourages entrepreneurs to risk all in a business venture |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 02:53 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. "entrepreneurs are the best form yet discovered for making a pie but society is entitled to ..." |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 03:09 PM Response to Reply #55 |
61. Those who hate entrepreneurs hate capitalism in any form and love socialism and love collective |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 03:14 PM Response to Reply #61 |
64. You may want to look into what socialism is |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 03:23 PM Response to Reply #64 |
69. Thanks for your interest but I've forgotten more on the subject that you'll ever know. n/t |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 03:36 PM Response to Reply #69 |
76. I gues it shows then |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 03:14 PM Response to Reply #61 |
65. Odd generalization. But why does suggesting an entrepreneur "owes" society equal to hate? |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 03:26 PM Response to Reply #65 |
70. You said "entrepreneur depended a lot upon the society, and 'owes' quite a bit back" is not an |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 03:45 PM Response to Reply #70 |
80. Nor is it an expression of hate. Its about recognizing obligation and debt |
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elehhhhna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 03:39 PM Response to Reply #61 |
78. thanks, kreskin. now I understand !1!! |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 03:12 PM Response to Reply #54 |
62. It has not functioned that way |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 03:27 PM Response to Reply #62 |
72. LOL have a great day and goodbye. n/t |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 03:37 PM Response to Reply #72 |
77. Oh goody, she put me on ignore for daring to speak |
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njalbertini (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 02:57 PM Response to Original message |
56. What is best? |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-08-10 05:03 PM Response to Original message |
94. You did hit a few hot buttons I see |
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GeorgeGist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-09-10 06:13 AM Response to Original message |
97. Capitalism is a "Best Practice" ... |
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