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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 07:27 AM
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Whatever you think of Kos, Joe Scarborough still had a dead intern in his office and . . . .
. . . . the full story has yet to be told. Some say Joe is a murderer. Some say the story has already been told. Some say the authorities did a cover up, some say the investigation cleared Joe. Some say that because of the pretty much contemporaneous Sandra Levy murder, Joe got a pass in the media. Others say Joe got a pass because he's a repubican.

No matter what, Joe had a dead intern in his office and he, himself, raised to issue to a front page story again.

Kos is a bit player in all this. You wanna talk about him, have at it. I'll stick to talking about the big, obfuscating, beady eyed prick that is Joe Scarborough.
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 07:28 AM
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1. +1
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Oceansaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 07:29 AM
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2. K&R...n/t
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 07:32 AM
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3. Typical. Republicon Family Values.
Edited on Thu Jul-08-10 07:34 AM by SpiralHawk
Dead Intern version.
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gademocrat7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 07:32 AM
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4. K & R
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RockaFowler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 07:32 AM
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5. Love it Stinky
And they swept it under the rug because he is a Republican. Oh yeah because there is no such thing as a Liberal Media. This is another story that debunks that myth.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 12:27 PM
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18. +1,000
Great post Stinky
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 08:26 AM
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6. What I can't understand is this
First it was suicide. But then she had two fractures and they were said to be done when she hit the side of a desk. You can tell me all you want that no body commits suicide by hitting their head on a desk. Then they said she had a bad heart and fainted, (twice??) They just couldn't get around two "two" cracks on the head.

Then two constituents were waiting to see Scarborough they had made the appointment to see him that day. But he couldn't be found. He had taken a jet that night to DC. Gee why the emergency..You are correct there are a lot of errors in the reports. But they were never investigated. It seems if you are a republican you get a free ride in Florida. Coulter and the voter fraud..let go not pursued. Limbaugh the oxy bit, using and selling...let go. Noel Bush a slap on the wrist for drug use...any body else would still be in jail...so the record we know shows , republicans get away with anything. Lohan should say she is a republican move to Florida and diddle daddle in alcohol and drugs all she wants.
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JoDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 10:13 AM
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11. I did some googling on this
The hematoma (effusion of blood) in the staffer' skull was the kind that is caused by an object hitting the skull, not by the skull hitting an object. In addition, her mouth was filled with bloody foam from her lungs and there was bruise on the back of her head. However, if her heart failed before she fell and struck her head, these injuries make little sense. They indicate that her heart was still pumping a lot of blood when she was hit. The foam in her mouth also suggests asphyxiation.

It seems very odd, but the public will probably never get the real story.

http://www.americanpolitics.com/20010808Klausutis.html
http://www.americanpolitics.com/20030721Baker.html
http://www.whoseflorida.com/lori_klausutis.htm
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 01:07 PM
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22. It sounds so incredibly suspicious; I can't believe there wasn't serious

investigation into what/who caused her death.
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Ross K Donating Member (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 04:02 PM
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46. I guess Chandra Levy was prettier
After all, that's how we gauge.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 10:20 PM
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78. No, Chandra Levy worked for a Dem
that's the difference.
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 06:14 AM
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89. IOKIYAR
It's OK if you're a Republican.

But the story does stink.
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Mojeoux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 07:19 PM
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101. K & Effing R
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arthritisR_US Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 03:41 PM
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45. was there petechial hemorrhaging? If not, then asphyxiation was unlikely. n/t
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 08:50 PM
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72. A couple of corrections. Her heart didn't fail, it supposedly dropped in pressure
Edited on Thu Jul-08-10 08:51 PM by jobycom
the same way Bush's did in the pretzel incident. The drop in blood pressure caused her to faint (in the coroner's story), and strike her head, causing a fatal brain industry. Her heart was still beating, so the foam cone and the blood in her mouth were not only normal, but textbook symptoms of a lingering death, not of asphyxiation.

There was a definite cover up. Whether Scarborough was guilty of anything or not, his primary goal was to block and investigation and keep the story off the front page. He convinced the coroner and the police chief to lie about the visible head injury, and fed disinformation to the local press to keep the story suppressed. If it was a murder, even if Scarborough wasn't guilty of it, he made sure no one would be caught and punished for it.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 08:32 AM
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7. BTW,,,Her Name Was Chandra
It was similar to my daughter's name and at the time had it confused several times.

If Joey is having Kos "Blackballed" due to the Lori Klautis story, then he's a major fool. This will create attention on the issue and Joey may just have to answer the questions he's been ducking for 9 years.

As the old saying "never shoot down"...Joey just gave Kos the platform to keep this question alive.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 10:26 AM
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12. BTW, her name was "Klausutis"
We're both guilty! :hi:

:)
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 11:32 AM
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15. Guilty As Charged...
...but now is Joey???

:hi:
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 12:25 PM
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17. Ya know ..... I really don't know.
My gut actually says he's not.

What really frosts my ass is that HIS repubican ass got a total pass while Gary Condit's DEMOCRATIC ass was all but lynched on The National Mall - and then turns out to be 100% INNOCENT.

I'd love to watch Joey busted on live teevee and made to perp walk away from his dim bulb pal, Mika. But I don't think he had anything to do with her death at all.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 02:19 PM
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29. Then why was he stonewalling on it?
The only possible reason for him not being seen as cooperating fully with an investigation is if he was having an affair with her. That would be pretty ugly, even if he had nothing to do with her death.

What do you think happened to her?
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 02:28 PM
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31. I have no diea what happened to her. I can make some reasonable guesses about why he stonewalled.
Let's say he was boinking her. Her death would totally freak him out. It also makes him suspect numero uno and politicians with dead intern problems don't stay in office very long - even repubican ones.

Let's say he wasn't boinking her. He may well have just freaked out and ran, much as does a hit and run driver. Panic and cowardice (the latter a widely ascribed repubican trait).

Let's say he smoked dope with her. He may not have known how she died, but did what he did for the same reason he would have run if he were boinking her.

Maybe he was boinking someone else and she was threatening to mention it to some third party ..... and then slipped and fell (yeah, I know, the forensics are otherwise).

Maybe she .....

Maybe he ......

There's no need for us to speculate. There is only need for the investigation to be done properly and in the sunshine.

And MSNBC needs to suspend his ass until it is over.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 02:35 PM
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33. Let me see...
No medical condition, no signs of foul play, injury not consistent with falling and hitting head...this just doesn't add up.

Someone killed her but was able to get in and out and not leave any evidence behind. Is that even possible? I thought killers ALWAYS left something incriminating behind.

Who had a motive?
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 02:41 PM
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34. This is precisely why we have cops and dicks, courts and judges, prosecutors and defense attorneys.
We have them to make sure justice prevails.

All we're doing here is speculating. Which is fun to do, particularly with a beady eyed prick motherfucker like Joey, but it is still speculation.

I really want to see this reopened and him suspended.
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 07:10 PM
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67. Could also say that at that time any investigation might have exposed other info he was hiding
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 07:11 PM
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68. Her death occuring at a time when he was quitting all his other activities..hmm
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 07:12 PM
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69. I say a lot more should have been done than was done to investigate this
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 02:32 PM
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32. ITA, Gary Condit's DEMOCRATIC ass was all but lynched
It must be horrible to be accused of something when you are totally innocent and be unable to prove your innocence.

But the case of this young woman's death seems very fishy. Has her family ever said anything publicly? Is this a closed case?
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 05:56 PM
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63. The persecution of Gary Condit
reminds me of the media hatchet job on ACORN.
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 03:40 PM
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44. Men open themselves up to a shit storm
when they stick their pepperoni where it doesn't belong.
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 04:37 PM
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I don't know about you
but my "pepperoni" belongs anywhere that consent and legality meet.
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 07:26 AM
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90. Sorry, I meant politically
I'm all for hiding the salami or pepperoni ;) but, if you're a public servant you're going to pay a price.
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cartach Donating Member (361 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 01:33 AM
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87. Pepperoni ? Speak for yourself.
I always refer to it as a salami.
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 07:27 AM
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91. No pepperoni here or salami
Edited on Fri Jul-09-10 07:28 AM by madmax
I'm the bun ;) :rofl:
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TroglodyteScholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 05:24 PM
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58. At least once they determined Condit wasn't involved...
...there was like a month of nonstop media apologies to Condit and his family. It was nice to see all the different ways in which media personalities expressed their remorse for destroying Condit's career. One show even had him on and presented him with a giant "I'm Sorry" greeting card. The media really came as close to "making it right" as anyone could possibly expect.

Wait, no. Uh...
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kywildcat Donating Member (529 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 04:25 AM
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88. They did?
I've waited for years for the media and particurly Levy's mother to apologize to Condit and to the world for what they did.
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TroglodyteScholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 06:21 PM
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99. You musta didn't read my whole post. n/t
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 08:35 AM
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8. All Hat No Cattle 2001
http://www.allhatnocattle.net/congressman_joe_scarborough.htm

Also

http://www.allhatnocattle.net/congressman_joe_scarborough.htm

That's about all the attention it got. It was covered up and covered over and there was silence.

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HipChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 08:35 AM
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9. I'm waiting for Joe to man up and discuss it on his show..

I guess I won't hold my breath...

is 28 a bit old to be interning?..
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 09:16 AM
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10. Another thread on DU said she was a staff worker
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 10:27 AM
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13. Everything I know says she was an intern.
I suppose, since it was on DU, though, that one outlier could be the real truth. After all, not much was made of this story at any time.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 10:33 AM
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14. She was an "aide"
It always surprised me that her husband was so silent..
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nikto Donating Member (414 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 03:08 PM
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36. THE HUBBY GOT...
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 03:09 PM
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37. That what I thought at the time too..
Perhaps they were "estranged" and he was not that sad to see her "gone"..
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 03:17 PM
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40. Her husband was working at a Pensacola naval flight training station at the same time as Atta was.
Edited on Thu Jul-08-10 03:20 PM by Mika
:tinfoilhat:

There were rumors that Lori was pregnant. Crooked disgraced coroner (just arrived from Sugarland Co., Texas right before the incident) refused to release any info on that.

Lot of strange and untrue info being pushed by JS and his office, as well as full support from the Fl. media that simply dittoed JS and coroners office info.

Her family was silent to the media, except to deny that she was ill at the time or that she had heart problems (both false stories came from JS statements that the media simply repeated).

Strange thing is that soon afterward JS won the election and then suddenly resigned to spend time with his family.




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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 03:21 PM
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41. yep..a family he was so devoted to, that he divorced them
:rofl:

wonder if the fetus had beady little snake eyes & a teensy little piehole :spank:
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 12:02 PM
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16. Joe more likely hired someone to do it, so he had an alibi
That would be the much more likely scenario. Maybe a crooked "KKK Sheriff" type. Certainly the positioning of the corrupt coroner indicates this was as much a State Crime, a la the fusion of criminal and law enforcement elents in the KKK South that undoubtedly persists today, as it was a Crime of Passion.
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Blue Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 12:40 PM
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19. The story's like a proverbial onion
The more layers you peel back, the more it stinks.

I hope we get to see Joe squirm in a puddle of his own flopsweat.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 12:42 PM
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20. Morning Ho couldn't be more offensive if he worked at it on purpose night and day.
Even without the dead intern.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 12:44 PM
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21. If he did something wrong, even if he didn't, it does not matter.
Edited on Thu Jul-08-10 12:44 PM by asdjrocky
People like him, from his "station" never pay for their crimes unless it's a very extreme case.

Jesus man, this is America, a nation of some very selectively enforced laws.
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Dawson Leery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 01:15 PM
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23. When you are a Republican, you don't pay for your crimes.
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Carolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 01:18 PM
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24. K&R!
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 01:59 PM
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25. kick
:kick:

I agree, Stinky.

Since BlowJoe keeps bringing it up, I think we should explore it more.

:evilgrin:

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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 02:05 PM
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26. Kicked&Recommended..
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 02:13 PM
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27. K&R
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 02:19 PM
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28. ...
:kick:
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nikto Donating Member (414 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 03:03 PM
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35. HE DID IT.
HE DID IT.
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benld74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 02:22 PM
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30. Information on the So Called Medical Examiner in this case,,,
THE MERRY ADVENTURES OF DR. MICHAEL BERKLAND

1996---fired as contract Medical Examiner in Jackson County for falsely stating that he had sectioned several brain specimens.

11/5/97--- Nine criminal cases imperiled by Berkland's admission of faulty autopsy reports (J. Lambe, KC Star)

2/19/98---Injunction granted to prohibit prohibit Berkland from performing autopsies and the duties of a Medical Examiner in MO.

3/16/99--- Missouri license revoked with no application for reinstatement for a period of six years.

".....MICHAEL BERKLAND, D.O., Fort Walton beach Beach, Florida. Cause of Discipline: Violtion of 334.100.2(4), (5) and (l4) RSMo 1994. The Administrative Hearing Commission found cause to discipline license based upon its finding of misconduct, misrepresentation, dishonesty, unprofessional or unethical conduct, conduct that might be harmful to the health of the public, and for incompetence and for knowingly making a false statement in a document in connection with the practice of his profession. BOARD ACTION; The Board Revoked license with no reapplication for reinstatement for a period of six (6) years. Effective 3-16-99"

Berkland appealed and the circut court affirmed the revocation on 11/1/99. THERE WAS NO FURTHER APPEAL.

Date uncertain--- Applied for Florida medical license, presumably without advising Florida of the injunction barring him from practice in MO.

7/20/99---Suspended as ME by the FL Medical Examiners Commission due to failure to disclose that he was under investigation in MO when he applied for his FL license.

Date uncertain--- Reinstated as Medical Examiner with the issuance of a "letter of guidance" by the Florida Board of Osteopathic Medicine.

As of this date, 9/10/01, the State of Florida Department of Health official
website Physician Profile for Dr. Berkland lists under 'Disiplinary
Actions': MO BOARD OF HEALING ARTS, 3/16/99, UNDER APPEAL, YES.

http://www.americanpolitics.com/20010911Klausutis.html


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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 03:13 PM
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38. Hear Hear!
:patriot:
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 03:14 PM
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39. Is There A Picture Of Her Anywhere?
I can't find one.
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 03:25 PM
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42. K&R
and I want to see that arrogant, blow hard go down.
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russspeakeasy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 03:34 PM
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43. What happened to the Scabman's youtube video
that inadvertently shows "Joe the Scab" getting
ready for a "live" shot during Katrina; mussing up
his hair and putting the rain gear?

If anyone has access to it, please put it back up so I can
enjoy seeing that phony bastard being himself....
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dem mba Donating Member (732 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 04:18 PM
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47. there was also no evidence that Scarborough was involved
in the death of Klausutis, or even that he had an affair with her. He was exonerated.

Condit was known to have an affair with Chandra Levy and she was missing, presumed dead. That's a rather huge difference, no?
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HipChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 04:21 PM
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48. There no evidence of him not having an affair

Fidelity is not a strong point of his..
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deaniac21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 04:32 PM
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50. I'd have to say that there is no evidence of you being involved
with Joey either. :eyes:
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 04:38 PM
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53. That's not quite how evidence works. nt
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 04:56 PM
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54. True, but that isn't the issue.
The issue is how the press treated Condit vs how it treated Scarborough.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 09:51 PM
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77. She wasn't dead in Condit's office. nt
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 11:16 PM
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84. Yeah and Joe fled oh I'm sorry got on a plane, quit politics and took up a desk job
'for his family'. Right.
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 04:23 PM
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49. I agree with your post except he seems more squinty eyed than
beady eyed to me! :P :D
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 05:34 PM
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60. I report, you decide . . . . . . .
These two are said to have squinty eyes:



These two are said to have beady eyes:








Personally, I'll stick with "beady", but won't argue with your "squinty".
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 04:33 PM
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51. It's About The Stolen Election ("stupid")
No, I'm not calling anyone stupid. Just pointing out the (silent) elephant that was in the national living room that is too easily forgotten -- even if you were able to work past the euphemedia stonewall at the time, as so few were.

The Pre-"911, Oh My!" reality was that the Coup against The People was not necessarily holding. The poll numbers of bushcheney NOT winning "fair and square" had gone from 16% in Jan. to a slim majority http://archive.democrats.com/display.cfm?id=249">during that summer.
A USA Today/CNN/Gallup poll in July asked whether Bush won "fair and square." By 50%-48%, a majority of Americans said no. Over one quarter (26%) of the respondents did not accept Bush as a "legitimate" President.

Even Fred Barnes "admitted" that only the attack "legitimized" the bushkid.

Even if the tragedy were unrelated, the last thing "everyone" would want is an uncontrolled investigation going in all kinds of directions (and since the DC-Dems had already "stood down" on the coup, they're included -- you know, "look forward" and all that).

The "optics" of Scarborough's career move was bad enough. It really confounded the Avaristocracy -- was he ashamed to continue as a Repub? or worse, "trading up" (graymailing) to cushy media-star work (ala Palin) based on inside info? or both? (yeah, yeah ... but that's how they think)

Also, the dead girl's status as "staff" meant that she might well have been privy to information an intern would not be. Plus, she was also big in the "Young Repubs" of FL -- traditionally used for anti-democratic, "ratfucking" criminality (see Segretti, Rove).

Just saying, stolen elections ... and "looking forward" ... have consequences. One of them is an epidemic of willful ignorance.

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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 11:34 PM
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85. +1
Graymail is not considered enough IMHO when people pooh pooh conspiracy and collaboration. Many will dismiss conspiracy by insisting too many people would never keep secrets. BS. When most or all of the players have something to hide and they all have goods on each other, silence is easy to achieve.

What bothers me most, I guess, is that most pols seem so cowardly as to be bought out so cheaply. If they don't have the courage to face the things they have done, perhaps they shouldn't have done them or shouldn't be in public life.

J Edgar knew knowledge was power. Neocons had the added advantage of better tech.
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 01:03 AM
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86. It only appears "so cheaply"...
...to those who actually have principles.

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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 04:37 PM
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52. Tell it, stinky!
:thumbsup:
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 05:05 PM
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55. Well said.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 05:07 PM
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56. K&R
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 05:16 PM
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57. Oddly, I read that she was 'active in the recounts' in Florida 2000
as head of a Florida young Republicans group
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HipChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 05:29 PM
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59. Gary Condit was run out of DC on a rail but no dead body was found in his office.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 05:52 PM
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61. K&R
They say the young lady fainted and her head hit the desk when she fell, killing her. And she was alone at the time. Sounds plausible to me. :crazy: :rofl:
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 05:53 PM
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62. Have you ever heard Joe's self-promotion ad on MSNBC
This may be just nonsense speculation, but the way he says "lied" is quite strange.
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Zoeisright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 06:11 PM
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64. You bet. This needs a thorough investigation.
Squinty eyed slimy little Joe needs some scrutiny.
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 06:12 PM
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65. K&R


:rofl:
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catzies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 06:16 PM
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66. Did you see this toon on Bartcop today?
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burnsei sensei Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 07:23 PM
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70. Write her name:
Lori Klausutis.
Her name should be brought up every time Scarborough does an interview.
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 07:52 PM
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71. Didn't some other politician have a dead intern found in his car or something?
Hmm maybe people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. There's no proof that he had anything to do with it, Kos is a dirtbag for pulling that one out of the mud.
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cactusfractal Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 09:05 PM
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73. Agreed with one exception: SMALL PRICK... n/t
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 09:07 PM
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74. Scarborough blocked any real investigation, whether he was guilty or not.
This case was a hobby of mine for a while. The short of it is I don't think Scarborough killed her, but I'm not convinced she wasn't murdered.

The long of it, from memory, is this. Scarborough had recently won reelection and was considered to be a rising star in the party. Then suddenly out of the blue he announced he was leaving his wife, and there were allegations of an affair, which he of course denied. Soon after announcing he was divorcing, he announced he was quitting Congress to spend more time with his family. That would be the family he was divorcing. There were more denied allegations of affairs.

A few months later, before Joe had stepped down, Lori Klausutis was found dead in Joe's locked office in Florida, while he was in DC. The coroner and police chief both announced that it appeared to be natural causes, and that there were no signs of foul play, and that the autopsy results would take a while. A story came out in the local press that Klausutis was a marathon jogger and had suffered siezures since an accident a few years before. The national press, despite crucifying Gary Condit for a missing staffer at that very time, didn't touch the story.

Then Klausutis's family told the local papers that she had no history of seizures, and Joe Scarborough contacted the papers personally to ask them to stop spreading misinformation. At that time the papers revealed that Joe had been the source of the story he was now denouncing, even though he had asked them not to identify him as the source. Still, the national media did not care. Joe was a Republican, and the MSM does not attack their own.

Then the medical examiner announced that he would not have a cause of death for another two weeks. One day later, he announced the cause of death. I forget the medical term, but her heart rate fell dramatically and caused her to pass out, striking a desk with enough force to slam her brain against the opposite side of her skull. This caused her to pass out, and she lingered for many hours before dying.

When asked why they had said there was no obvious trauma to the body, the ME admitted he had lied to avoid people asking a lot of questions about a dead intern in a Congressman's office. The same ME, it was discovered, had lost his license up north for falsifying death certificates and basically very sloppy work.

So the question should be asked--can a five foot eight woman faint onto the edge of a three foot high desk with enough force to cause to cause such an injury? To me it seems iffy.

So that was it. Accidental death, no story, no national media, no punishment for lying to the public or for starting false rumors about her health. Most of all, no investigation.

Here's what bothers me most. Scarborough is probably innocent of her death (though I'm not sure). But there was no way he or the ME could have known at first examination what happened to her. Still, there first instinct was to cover for Scarborough. If there was a killer, that killer was let escape for the sake of a retiring Congressman, and that Congressman showed a complete lack of any ethics whatsoever by helping to make sure her death wasn't investigated. At the very least, he's guilty of that.

That's a brief summary.
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HipChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 09:21 PM
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75. 3 Pivotal questions..


From
http://www.americanpolitics.com/20010808Klausutis.html


1) If Lori's death was just a simple accident, then why did Rep. Scarborough and his spokesman Miguel Serrano feel the need to go to two different local TV stations within three hours of her body's being found and invent a nonexistent history of chronic medical conditions for
her -- in other words, why did they feel the need to lie about Lori's health?

2) Would you trust without question the word of a Medical Examiner who lost his ME license in two separate states (Missouri and Florida) because he LIED about his autopsy work (for instance, saying he had autopsied some brains when he hadn't)?

3) Why should whoever wrote Ms. Klausutis's obituary feel it was appropriate to mention nearly everything about her life -- EXCEPT where she'd been working since 1999?

A recent check of the Young Republican's web site found no mention of Lori or her contributions, nor any tribute to her memory nor comments about her passing. In fact, you will find no mention of her at all. If you go to The Pensacola News Journal's online pages, one of the few papers that actually covered the story, and search the site for "Klausutis" you will come up empty, even though the same search will pull up numerous stories matching "Scarborough". It seems as though someone wants to erase all traces of Lori Klausutis from the record and bury the story with her.
It's an increasingly puzzling case. We are reminded of the famous Kitty Genovese case, in New York, in 1964, where a young woman pleaded for her life over the period of 30 minutes, while neighbors ignored her cries. The assailant returned three times to stab her. With Lori Klausutis, it seems possible that a corrupt North Florida establishment is determined to keep the lid on the case, even if that means silencing the news. And our esteemed news media, from the supposed mainstream liberal press stalwarts to the near delusional on air shouters of the channel that just reports so that you can decide, willingly turn the other way and ignore Lori Klausutis. But they continue to chatter endlessly in speculation over Chandra Levy. In so doing, they ignore the cries of truth, they deny their viewers access to the truth and they utterly, once and for all, betray our faith and trust in the media.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 10:36 PM
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79. Those have easy answers, really.
1) Scarborough belongs to a profession and a party that really has no concept of truth. To them, appearance is the only reality. Scarborough knew he had to squash any early appearance that there was anything mysterious in her death, so he went to the media and planted false stories to make it seem non-suspicious. That doesn't really indicate whether he did it or not, it only proves he wanted to hide the story so he wouldn't go through what Condit was.

2) No. Further, the ME admitted he lied about visible wounds on Klausutis herself to protect Scarborough's reputation. There's nothing at all trustworthy about him. One caveat--he didn't lie to change the cause of death in Missouri, he lied about whether he had done his job. He was more sloppy than corrupt. But no, I don't trust what he says.

3) Couldn't answer that without knowing who it was. I'd guess they didn't want to connect her to him because they didn't want the media attention. They were grieving the death of a loved one, and didn't want that to become a media circus beyond their comprehension.

None of that means Scarborough killed her or that he was innocent. It just proves he's a despicable ass who only thought of himself and did not once think of Klausutis.
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 09:38 PM
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76. Interesting. To me the thing that suggests he probably wasn't responsible is
that she was found in his office. If he were going to murder someone, wouldn't he have done it somewhere else and/or moved the body where it couldn't be easily found, rather than leaving all the evidence in his office? That is also a key difference between this case and the Levy case. Levy's body was found in Rock Creek Park, long after she was murdered. So though the media was going crazy, there really wasn't any evidence for a long time, to link him to the case or to exonerate him.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 11:02 PM
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80. Thanks!
Great summary.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 11:05 PM
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82. Thanks! I didn't know that story. n/t
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 02:38 PM
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96. Thanks for the summary. It makes more sense to me now.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 11:03 PM
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81. Dead intern = Lori Klausutis. She was 28. nt
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SimonBolivar Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 11:14 PM
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83. I think the husband did it
because Joe and Laurie were having an affair. In any event, I think Joe panicked and put a cover up in motion. The coroner was a piece of work.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 02:48 PM
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97. That kinda makes sense to me. He would have access, could plan it out
including carefully erasing any evidence, would have been able to lock the office behind him. All he needed to do, really, was avoid being seen by anyone...
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gauguin57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 11:03 AM
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93. I think she was an assistant, not an intern.
But it's not only the suspicious circumstances that surrounded the death ... it's that right after the death (I believe), Joe both got divorced and announced he wasn't running for another term. Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmm....
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 11:05 AM
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94. Sorry To Be A Pest About This, But Are There Any Pictures Of Laurie Klaustis Anywhere?
Just asking. Seems to be hard to find pictures of her.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 01:54 PM
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95. I never looked, but I just did now.
Nope. No pictures. Scrubbed.

Amazing, innit?
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winstars Donating Member (405 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 04:42 PM
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98. Every time this comes up someone looks around....
Edited on Fri Jul-09-10 04:42 PM by winstars
and finds yet again nothing new or different than what we already knew or know... I mean since like when it happened nothing, zero, nada!!! This topic was, well, a topic here on DU contemporaneously and there was a dearth of info then. It's so wild considering the power of the internets but I don't think I have seen anything or actually read anything new about this "case" since it happened. Including recently with all of this Kos commotion. I do make it a point to tell anyone and everyone about the mystery whenever Joey Scar comes up in conversation or whatever!!!

However, I definitely hope and pray that if Joey Scar EVER runs for ANYTHING again, this WILL be a question he will have to address and not just via Twitter.
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pscot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 07:14 PM
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100. Kicked for Truth, Justice
and the American Way.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 07:22 PM
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102. Do you think there will be a job advertised soon?
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