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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-10 04:37 PM
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All that weird and more extreme weather...
Well it is predicted by the science of Global Weather Change.

Not that most folks get it. By the way this year I am actually happy that our weird weather has turned usually hot July into a June Gloom kind of a place. This helps with the firefighters and our predictable fires.

That said, here is the problem... most folks don't get this. Our weird weather is a symptom of the weather change. No, not each event, that be silly. What is a symptom are the LONG RANGE patterns. What are these? Well, we are getting heat waves that last longer, and snow storms that are more violent. We get 500 year events as in floods and fires, and of course spring is coming earlier, and the weather bands are moving north.

That is the pattern and our new weather patterns will take a while to find a new normal.

For you stuck in the heat wave, remember to drink plenty of water and check on them neighbors and pets. For those of you, who like me, are enjoying this cool weather... remember the Santa Anas have also become harder to control and hotter too, as well as off their usual times.

This is what the science predicts, and of course this is not what most folks actually understand.

Me, well what is happening now in the US has been happening in Mexico City for fifteen years, where the weather has become less and less predictable, with more heat waves in May (highly unusual, a new pattern it seems) and less water coming down from the sky.

And I do not expect people to understand this either.

So no, a single event is not proof. A medium to long range pattern of "weird weather" is predicted by the science.
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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-10 04:48 PM
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1. Here in the NE, we went from record breaking snowpocalypse in February
to several days of back to back +100 degree days when our norm is 80 for this time of year.

The weather has been INSANE this year.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-10 04:58 PM
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2. And it will get more insane
Mexico City, I used it as an example. When I was a child May was a "hot month" Ok it got to the upper 70s on a hot day.

The last fifteen years May has become increasingly hot, to the point that I now take shorts... which you never saw there. The heat waves go to the upper 90s these days, and can last upwards of ten days. There is no AC, hence why I worry about my parents and a few other seniors I know down there.

The first two years people were commenting as to how strange that was. These days... people believe this is Global Warming, and damn it... it has also become much drier.

As an UNAM researcher pointed out on CNN-I when I was down there, this is the weather bands moving... and mexico has already lost valuable land to it.

The US is now finally noticing... not that this will change some opinions, but the science also predicts that earlier changes are noticed closer to the equator. But the changes could be down right lethal in the US... worst case scenario is a five degree jump... right now. Let's just say the current heat wave will seem like a nice cool summer heat spell. Triple digits will become more common, and the weather band to grow corn, for example, will move to Canada.

Here is an interesting site, by the way... which I will explore later in depth.

http://www.abelard.org/briefings/shifting_weather_patterns.php
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SkyDaddy7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-10 05:12 PM
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5. Don't worry...Jesus will save us...
Well, on 2nd thought Jesus will not save me and probably not you considering you have vandalized the astrology sign the Christians hijacked and you turned it into a praise for the guy who thinks we came from monkeys (Sarcasm)...So, I guess we should listen to what the science says!

I wish all the climate change deniers could be forced to watch what their grandchildren and great grand children will be going through because they chose to be ignorant fools! Who knows maybe they will get to see it before they die?

I see no true changes coming especially in America where over 40% of the population thinks their demi-god will return by 2050 to save them...And the rest think climate change legislation is just a Communist plot to slow Capitalism.

OH well?
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Abq_Sarah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-10 05:02 PM
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3. I imagine a shift
From El Niño to La Niña conditions will cause disruptions in what people perceive to be "normal" weather.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-10 05:04 PM
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4. THose have happened since I remember
the trend is actually towards more extreme weather.

Which is what we are seeing.

Though the both The Nino and Nina are also expected to get more extreme.
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Atticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-10 05:56 PM
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6. So, last winter, when we had bitter cold or a load of snow, the wingnuts who
froth into the talk radio microphones were yukking it up about how the weather event du jour was "proof that Al Gore and the Climate Change Chicken Littles" were just totally wrong.

Did yesterday---103 degrees in NYC---change their tune?

(crickets)
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-10 06:24 PM
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7. The right wingers don't understand
that both events are part of the changing pattern. If both of these were a one time thing... they'd have a point. The last ten years we have had a lot of interesting things.
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Atticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-10 06:40 PM
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11. Agree. Guess I'm expecting too much of the wingnuts: consistent ignorance. nt
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Mike 03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-10 06:29 PM
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8. All I can say is that I am SO HAPPY YOU ARE HERE, Nadinbrzezinski
Too many US citizens have played dumb for too many years, pretending that a new "ice age" and "global warming" are dichotomies, when they are simply two sides of the same coin.

But we get what we deserve.

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Riftaxe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-10 06:31 PM
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9. About time we broke some records
Edited on Wed Jul-07-10 06:31 PM by Riftaxe
Some of the current records are over a century old, how can we call that progress?

http://www.keno.org/vws/weather_records_2.htm">Weather Records by state
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-10 06:34 PM
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10. This is exactly what the elders said when they went to the UN - House of Mica


"In our ways, spiritual consciousness is the highest form of politics. We must live in harmony with the natural world and recognize that excessive exploitation can only lead to our own destruction. We cannot trade the welfare of our future generations for profit now.

"We must stand together, the four sacred colors of man, as the one family that we are, in the interest of peace. We must abolish nuclear and conventional weapons of war...We must raise leaders of peace. We must unite the religions of the world as a spiritual force strong enough to prevail in peace.

“We (human beings) are a spiritual energy that is thousands of times stronger than nuclear energy. Our energy is the combined will of all people with the spirit of the natural world, to be of one body, one heart, and one mind for peace."

- The late Grandfather Leon Shenandoah
http://www.8thfire.net/Day_15.html
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-10 06:44 PM
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12. You mean climate change?
I'm not sure the public will process yet another name for it after global warming and climate change.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-10 06:48 PM
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13. The public can't
because of a dreath of education.

Consider this, people in Mexico get it. The average educational level is lower than the US. Why is that?

Partly it is education... or rather lack off. Partly it is a campaign to obfuscate and confuse.
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