After watching the United States House and Senate for the past 18 months...

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How many honestly believe that any ideas from the Catfood Commission will actually be codified into law?


Obviously, what ever "consensus" is reached at the end of the "commission" still requires a fucking bill, committee markup, vote, floor vote, conference, final vote, Presidential signature.




Who is Really going to vote to change Social Security that drastically? Ron Paul. That's about it.





STFUJH.

[opihimoimoi]

1. GOP = Bait an Switch Group = void of adequate solutions = high rate of Fail

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

2. They'll propose to raise the age to 75, "compromise" on 70, and tell us we're getting a good deal.

See HCR for precedent.

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3. Not going to happen. This whole farce is the most obvious waste of time I have ever seen

NOTHING is going to happen.

[DJ13]

4. I never expected our party to rally in saving the insurance industry

from the evil of single payer, but we all know how that worked out.

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5. We got a little closer?

How, in this fucking economy, did you think the Gov't was going to make an entire industry and all of its workers extinct and unemployed?

[DJ13]

6. Its done by outsourcing every year

Besides, like Medicare a single payer system was never going to eliminate the insurers, they would have acted as the administrators.

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10. I think we have identified the problem

Somehow, you thought that Congress, THIS Congress was going to nationalize an entire industry. Take on all private workers. Not affect the employment crisis. And provide cost-effective administration of a completely new program.

All at once.



When has something like this ever happened before?

[DJ13]

11. No, Im saying they are capable of voting for a special interest over the people

Was it really that hard to understand?

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14. Tell me how that the Congress was going to transform the entire Health Insurance/Health Care system

With one piece of legislation.


Do you understand what "incremental" means?

[tom_paine]

22. "Incremental"? Oh, you mean like offering a Public Option.

Sorry. Off the table. Secret deal with Insurance Lobbyists from the very start.

Too bad, so sad, they REALLY tried. Well, except for that whole making a secret deal with the insurance cos. from the very start to kill it, they REALLY tried.

And they were REALLY REALLY REALLY sad that they made a secret deal from the start to make sure that even the incremental Public Option never saw the light of day.

REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY sad.

:rofl:

Carnies have a word for anyone who buys that. Rubes.

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23. In time

Let the private insurers fail with compliance and a shiny new Public Option will suddenly appear.


This is so basic that I can't believe some can't grasp it.



To quote ya... REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY sad.

[tom_paine]

24. I believe you will have to cite the relevant passage with a proper link.

Even if that was true, why would the Health Care Restriction Industry not comply? They got everything they wanted. Mandating purchase of their defective product for MILLIONS of people, yet with no responsibilties or incentives to provide a good product or to contain administrative costs, bonuses, or anything else.

Sure they had to pretend to put up a fight. The Rubes won't be satisfied everything's on the up and up without a Good Show.

Oh, and the most significant provisions won't come online until 2014, so the next "increment" cannot be until at least 2015 or later.

Given the nature of our National Harlem Globetrotters vs. Washington Generals dumbshow, I am sure that either Emperor Palin or Emperor Jeb or whichever puppet is placed in there by the Military-Media-Intelligence-Corporate Complex will be happy to work with the Republican Congress to ratchet up the next increment. Or is that turn the screw one turn tighter?

You know, postponing full implementation of the bill until 2014? I haven't seen a masterstroke like that since a Washington General couldn't find the basketball because Curly Neal stuffed it down his shorts!

Seriously, though, please direct me to information on the "Public Option kick-in if the Insurance Robber Barons don't comply" clause.

But why would they not comply? Like B'rer Rabbit, the Health Care Denial Industry is in the proverbial briar patch. 30 million new customers FORCED to buy their crappy product with no mandate to keepcosts down or provide a better product. How AWFUL for them!

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25. You have a fantastic rest of your Wednesday

This is so simple, or at least I thought so.

[tom_paine]

26. Gosh, I guess everyone isn't as smart as you. Please be patient with your inferiors.

You say it's simple. All I am asking for is a simple link or reference elaborating your intitial point about a Public Option kicking in.

I apologize to your superior munificence for this inferior insignificant worm's lack of understanding.

Now, would you elaborate and provide links, please, so an inferior simpleton like myself can dare to dream that I might be able to match wits with a superior intellect such as yourself?

If nothing else, it might be nice to know what noncompliance would trigger a public option.

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27. Again, incremental. Nothing happens all at once.

Never claimed to have a superior intellect, but I think we all know or should know how this fucking game is played.


When the private insurers fail to meet their benchmarks...

[tom_paine]

29. Ohhh, I see. You weren't refrring to ANYTHING in the current legislation at all, were you?

You could have just come out and said you pulled that out of your nether regions and there's no provision remotely like that in the HCR Bill.

But then, we wouldn't have had as much fun bantering.

Ah yes, the nebulous distant future promise. The Mother's Milk of the Bilked Rube.

You wanna meet up to play some high-stakes poker? I think we could have some more fun. Bring a large wad of cash - I prefer 20s, but will take 50s if you got 'em.

I will even allow you the last word. Ta ta! :hi:

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30. All I am going to say is look how many times '86 Internal Revenue has been modified

And the closest and quickest way to a public option is for the private insurers to not meet the compliance benchmarks.

But it is fun to bitch, right?

[JHB]

7. I don't know that you're wrong, but...

...I don't care to find out the hard way, either.

The surest way of making sure it's as dead-on-arrival as you think it will be is to make sure they know it will hurt if they try it.

[MineralMan]

8. It's a diversion. It's also an election year. Nobody's screwing up

Social Security in an election year. It ain't happening.

[DJ13]

12. The vote is expected AFTER the election

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16. The vote on WHAT?

There is no bill. No Committee markup.
NOTHING.



It is a farce. And Rangel is not going to open this can of worms.

[DJ13]

20. You had better take that up with Nancy since she thinks there will be

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21. Ok. I'll send her a text

:rofl:

[lamp_shade]

9. I'm a cspan junkie too and I couldn't agree more with your statement.

I laugh out loud at those who think this commission can do more than make recommendations.

[Rex]

13. This could be an experiment to see how well the ideas go over

with The People, a trial run before the real thing imo.

[Wounded Bear]

15. Keep saying that and you can make it happen...

Sorry, but "watching Congress" the last 18 months shows me how far to the right our government has been dragged.

Statements like yours are the kind of sock puppet response I would expect from a right winger, not a Dem.

I say we need to fight the Catfood Commission. Hard.

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17. You are missing the point

Hard.

[Wounded Bear]

18. What point?

The point that what we get out of "this Congress" is center-right proposals that get compromised into even farther right legislation? That's what I see, not a progressive movement to protect one of the most successful social programs of the 20th Century. Complacency led to a Bush presidency. Your comment sounds very complacent to me. That is MY point.

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19. Actually I am on the opposite side of the spectrum

Not complacent at all. But I understand the futility of fighting against a "committee" that is going to offer to Ways/Means & Senate HELP & Appropriations a bullshit remedy that will NEVER be codified into law.

[girl gone mad]

28. I think it's naive to dismiss the possibility.

To quote the esteemed James K. Galbraith:

"Nevertheless, there is a danger that the Commission will take a path -- "stimulate now but austerity later" -- that will lead to unnecessary, economically-damaging and socially destructive cuts in Social Security and Medicare. And there is a danger that such cuts will be stampeded through Congress in the months immediately following the 2010 elections."