MARKOS: Why I am BLACKLISTED by MSNBC

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from DailyKos:



" In case you were wondering why you haven't seen me on MSNBC recently, it seems that Joe Scarborough, he of the lowest rated morning show in cableland, has blackballed me. And Phil Griffin, the alleged president of MSNBC, is going along with it.


It all began May 29, with Joe Scarborough taking to Twitter to whine about the media coverage of the supposed Sestak scandal (remember that one?):




JoeNBC: The Sestak story is as unbelievable a cover story as Nixon throwing little Checkers under the bus. A farce on it's face. Luckily for the White House, the media has been negligent on this story since Day 1. The press will let this laughable story slide.


That was too much horseshit for me. If there was someone who had ZERO ground to stand on whining about media bias, it was Scarborough. So I shot back:



markos: Like story of a certain dead intern. RT @JoeNBC: Luckily for the White House, the media has been negligent on this story since Day 1.



Markos: But if you want to talk about bullshit "scandals", @JoeNBC, there's this one about Joe Sestak and the White House you might've heard of.





It degenerated from there.





JoeNBC: @markos Unbelievable. You have a long history of spreading lies suggesting I am a murderer. This is the 3rd or 4th time by my count.


Markos: @JoeNBC, I've never suggested you're a murderer. I've noted media hypocrisy in going after Gary Condit. But he was Dem. You aren't.


JoeNBC: Anyone in media who interviews @markos, know that you're extending your credibility to someone who regularly suggests that I'm a murderer.


Markos: A bit touchy, @JoeNBC? Links for where I accuse you of being a murderer please.





There were no links, of course. I never accused him of murder, much less three or four times. In fact, we had just had a pleasant chat in the Meet the Press green room in December, which wouldn't be the case if I was bedeviling him with accusations of murder. The only time I ever mentioned the incident was this post in 2005, in which I discussed him as a potential Senate candidate.

Note that there wasn't an accusation of murder. In fact, I called the murder accusations "tin foil" (aka conspiracy theories). Yet Gary Condit got hounded out of polite society for a murder he didn't commit, while Joe Scarborough got a show on MSNBC. As my tweets made clear, this was about media double standards, and it was about Scarborough trying to invent a scandal from nothing (as was the case with the conspiracy theorists and his deceased aide). One could disagree with those points, but to argue it was somehow an accusation of murder was bizarre, and of course, Scarborough was unable to back it up.

Instead, Scarborough, unable to keep it together, ran crying to Phil Griffin. And while admitting to me that Scarborough's claims were baseless and overblown, Griffin banned me from the network. Asked for on-the-record comment, Griffin offered this statement:



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[SoCalDem]

1. Rachel called him out on the air about it

Note that they did not cover her Afghanistan trip..and that she is NEVER a guest :rofl:

[EFerrari]

2. Or maybe you don't have much to say that isn't embarrassingly obvious.

[Smashcut]

3. Kos is such a nebbish

I'm glad he's not representing "the left" on television anymore.

[meegbear]

5. +1

[democraticinsurgent]

6. I agree with you

Though I don't like the fact that Joey Scar can wield that kind of power, Kos is not a good messenger for the left. Even though his message--for the most part--is spot on.

[sufrommich]

7. So blacklisting is OK if it's someone you don't like? nt

[Bluenorthwest]

21. Ah, you see that is part of what's wrong with Kos

The fact that a company does not want to hire Kos is not Blacklisting, which is a very specific term that springs from the very mediums Kos wants to be a part of. To use that term about a personal dispute, a petty one at that, is like calling your bout with the flu the Holocaust. It is just tacky and self serving, while being utterly dismissive of the history of that practice, which may or may not continue, but which never involves a direct explanation as to why an individual is not being hired, but applies to secret, industry wide banning of people thought to hold views the majority does not like. Alone, you get fired. Not Blacklisted. Banned, fine. Blacklisted?
I personally know people who did not work at all for decades, instantly from the top of their professions, because they were Blacklisted. Kos has his main business intact, and claims that he hates being on TV and would rather not. He is not Blacklisted.
It is just that sort of hyperbole that makes me dislike him. Sorry if that bothers anyone. But he has no standing to that word at all. Even the network is saying it is temporary, and they are telling them what they are doing and why. He got unbooked, not Blacklisted.

[sufrommich]

25. Forget that it's Kos, are you OK with Joe Scarborough

deciding will or will not be on MSNBC?

[Bluenorthwest]

30. I don't watch Joe. Lots of DU are huge fans.

Look, he's shouting 'Blacklisting' when the very letter he was sent said a temporary lull in bookings. It told him why. The boss there has a house to keep. I do not know why he made that decision, but I can tell you this, he made it. If Markos was popular when he appeared, Joe could scream and scream.
But the simple fact business wise is that Kos is a guest in that house, and Joe is a resident. No guest is owed anything. Peace in the house is needed for business.
I just do not buy the framing presented by a man who would describe what was said to him as being 'Blacklisting', and many other hyperbolic words he has used in the past about good Democrats, he just says stuff.
This is his problem. Get a better agent, Kos, and learn to not do business in the public square, because that is tacky. It just is.
I suggest here on DU at times that not watching Joe or going on his show would drive him out quickly, but he's a big hit on DU, and the guests just love every spot on the circuit, they are fine with going on right wing bash fests, for a fee and a promotional moment.
It is showbiz, and he's acting like it is some march to the sea to make salt. Feh.

[verges]

61. Lots of DU are huge fans?

I don't think I have ever seen anything but disparaging terms for this former Republican congressman. And regard for his sideki9ck Mika seems, to me, to be even lower.

[Enthusiast]

68. Most DUers hate Joe.

No way is he a "big hit" with DU.

[Javaman]

83. Put down the brush, you are painting to broadly. nt

[aquart]

41. Sometimes blacklisting got people at the start of their careers, too.

I remember my stubborn uncle refusing to write scripts under a different name. He wound up with a good career, just not the one he wanted.

[Smashcut]

44. He's not "blacklisted."

You're misusing that term, as others have pointed out.

[Enthusiast]

69. But Scarborough still sucks.

And that is the point.

[Smashcut]

106. Well, I can't argue with that

Scarborough blows.

[DatManFromNawlins]

64. If someone publicly dissed my employee...

.... I wouldn't allow them the opportunity to promote themselves either.

There are plenty of people who can speak on the issues. kos knows damned well what he implied, and shouldn't be surprised that his childish outburst got such a response.

[cartach]

78. Your reason for blacklisting someone

would most likely make you dislike them also wouldn't it?

[sabrina 1]

108. Typical hyperbole from Kos when it affects him. He's not

blacklisted, they just don't want him on their network now that they got a look at the way he operates, but only when it affected one of theirs.

It's hilarious to see Kos acting this way when he is the one who, after banning literally thousands of real progressives from his blog, when challenged on it, threw out the old 'this is a private business, no one has a RIGHT to be here, it is a privilege' to be allowed to post here'. Of course only progressives and liberals are banned from that blog.

So, he ought to follow his own advice to the liberals he hates, and stop whining over being banned for not following the rules of what is a private business as he said himself.

Yes, it is typical hyperbole from him. He needs to grow a thicker skin, advice he generally gives those he kicks off his blog, if it will get hits for his blog.

He's not a voice that should be speaking for the liberal blogosphere. I know he was used only because he was safe, and the media feared that a real liberal voice from the blogosphere might be heard, so they cultivated people like Kos because they knew he would not break the rules of the media. Now he broke one. And he's been banned. I hope he stays off television as he is virtually useless from the pov of the 'left'.

[defendandprotect]

59. +1000% ---

[Divine Discontent]

67. ahhhh, I see, you & others wish he weren't so willy nilly smarty pants. Maybe that his personality

from his upbringing and his different background than us red-blooded beef eatin' Marlboro Men.

I think nebbish is being used to save face from saying something else. Although he talks very soft and has a bit of a voice inflection that is more unique than most on TV, he is spot on, and saying we need someone different representing "the left" because we don't need any "nebbish" people representing us just sounds a bit questionable, at best. There's plenty of people to represent The Left on TV, whew, are we glad Rachel Maddow is pretty and sweet sounding, cuz if she was the opposite of nebbish, we'd want her not representing The Left - would we?

[cartach]

79. Maybe willy nilly whining asshole would

be a better description? Of course there are some people who identify with that type of personality because they are inclined that way themselves. Helps to prop up their insecurities.

[AlbertCat]

98. he is spot on,

He is.... and often raises "difficult" issues. Nebbish he is not.

[Smashcut]

107. Uhm, I'm gay and I'm saying he's weak, a dork and the worst incarnation

of what people think "liberals" are.

And he's not even a LIBERAL! At best he's a Democratic establishmentarian.

Maddow is pretty and well-spoken and highly, HIGHLY intelligent but she's not weak, she has opinions, she's solidly liberal and represents liberalism with conviction

When I said Kos is a "nebbish" that is exactly what I meant.

[sabrina 1]

103. Agree, I always objected to him speaking for the 'left'.

We have better people who should have had that role. Kos was chosen because he is not 'left' by any means. All one has to do is google him on women's issues, on stolen elections, you can be banned from that site for even mentioning that topic. A former Repub, he despises and has said so right on his blog, what he views as 'dirty hippies' or whatever he calls them.

As for Joe I agree that he was treated far differently than Democrat Gary Condit whose reputation was destroyed by the media.

But then we knew that's how it was with the media.

[RandomThoughts]

4. Yea Scarborough is funny.

I been messing with him for awhile. LOL And he earned every penny. :)


AC/DC - Thunderstruck
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvoeeq-BH4w

[newtothegame]

8. Why does he care if he's not invited on a show with the lowest ratings?

:shrug:

[verges]

62. Because it's not just "morning Joe"

Kos was also frequently on Olberman and, I think, Ed. He seems to be banned from the whole network because one anchor(?) doesn't like him.

[shireen]

9. not an outright ban

This is Phil Griffin's statement to Markos:

Markos,

Blog if you must, but here is my on the record statement to you which I ask that you print in full:

Yes, after I became aware of the ugly cheap shot you took at Joe on Twitter, I asked the teams to take a break from booking you on our shows for a while. I found the comments to be in poor taste, and utterly uncalled for in a civil discourse.

I'm hoping this will be only temporary and that the situation can be resolved in a mature fashion, but until then I just don't know how one could reasonably expect to be welcomed onto our network while publicly antagonizing one of our hosts at the same time.

The DailyKos community has been among the most supportive of MSNBC, and we continue to appreciate that support.

[janet118]

10. How many people has Scarborough banned during his . . .

frequent hissy fits and arrogant pissing contests?

He's a nasty man. I have stopped watching "morning jocks" because its regulars are so silly, sophomoric and irrelevant.

Scarborough has had tiffs with David Shuster . . . Larry O'Donnell . . . and other guests who he can't shut down by yelling over or going to break. He uses rude insults to shut people up and then the other mean boys and girls join in.

[Plucketeer]

55. Spot on assessment. Joe would be great on Fox

[Enthusiast]

70. Joe is made for Fox. nt

[AlbertCat]

99. Joe didn't even know about Angle's "2nd amendment solutions" statements.

Of he pretended not to know about them.

Joe is a joke. Kos is not.

[HipChick]

11. when does Pat Buchannan get blacklisted?

oh yeah...he has to disagree with joe scrab first

[Enthusiast]

71. Good point. nt

[Renew Deal]

12. He was wrong

Based on the quotes here. His comments are very personal and over the line.

[sufrommich]

15. He wasn't banned from the Mika and Joe Show, he was

banned from MSNBC.

[Renew Deal]

17. So?

You can say it's an over-reaction, but they are a "family." It's no surprise they will stick together. They need to get along.

[sufrommich]

20. "They" aren't a "family". It's a frickin' News and Opinion

channel.They're not supposed to stick together, they're supposed to gather news and opinion. Are you really making the argument that if one hurts the feelings of one of their commentators, that MSNBC is right to ban them?

[Renew Deal]

23. Do they have the right?

Yes, absolutely. Walk into any bar tonight and tell the bartender off. Do you think they will let you in tomorrow even with another bartender working? Probably not.

[U4ikLefty]

63. Great analogy.

:eyes:

[Renew Deal]

93. Thanks!

:D

[AlbertCat]

101. National news channel = bar. That's rich!

[Renew Deal]

105. Wrong is wrong

And Markos is wrong. But beyond that, I think this post nails it: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=8705452&mesg_id=8705982

[girl gone mad]

40. I agree. It was childish and petty.

If Joe Scarborough were my employee, I would probably take a similar position.

[Myrina]

13. I thought KOS was CIA anyway ...

:tinfoilhat:

[Robb]

18. LOL

Even the CIA has standards. :D

[asjr]

14. Maybe Scarborough got rid of Shuster that way.

[Bluenorthwest]

16. I hope they never have him on again

I don't watch this Scarborough, but when Markos is on Countdown I turn it off. He is a yappy, twitchy, self serving speaker of non-responses. He is never content to speak for himself. He is grating as a TV talker, because he speaks quickly, especially when he has points rehearsed he wants to hit, he just barrels through. I'd not have him as a guest for dinner. Hyper, demanding, and without regard for the question at hand in framing his replies.
He's on the Luke Russert list. I just don't do it for anyone. But that's just my opinion of him of course, and I only know him from TV as his website is annoying to my eye, and I've not spent enough time there to see what his deal is, other than self promotion, a thing I am extremely sensitive to and very sick of.
He might be cool. But I'd not notice through the cloying neediness and annoying presence. On TV, there is always another channel. Click.

[sufrommich]

22. It's irrelevant how you feel about Markos or anybody else

for that matter, he was blacklisted because he pissed off Joe Scarborough.

[Bluenorthwest]

27. Not to me it isn't. It is in fact, the only thing that matters.

And blacklisted in a tacky word to use for one's own suspension from a non contract day gig for being a bit petty. In the TV biz, Blacklisting has a specific meaning, and this is not it.
Plus, he annoys me.

[sufrommich]

28. Oy. Alrighty then. nt

[Bluenorthwest]

37. Upthread I posted to you quite a bit about why

I do not buy into his framing of this, and also that I do not see him as good tv. All my reasons you simply did not respond to and asked me again about Joe making this decision, which is what Markos says happened. I'd already been over that.
So Oy and alrighty indeed.

[suzie]

89. Katherine Harris made mention of Joe S's intern problem and was immediately

slapped down by the Republican establishment.

But how good of you to agree with them.

[HipChick]

19. Markos gets the last laugh...giving life to a scandal that most had forgotten about..

Interesting point towards end of article


I've criticized Chris Matthews before, sometimes harshly, and it never led to me being banned. This was not about criticizing some random MSNBC host, but about criticizing the network's token conservative, a man who wilts in the face of the awesome power of Twitter and its 140-character limit. Morning Joe happens to be Griffin's pet project at MSNBC. He's staked his career on it, and as such, lets Scarborough call the shots -- to the point of having its least successful host dictate the guest list of its most successful one.

Look, it's been good for Daily Kos to have me on, but it's not my favorite medium, I'm often uncomfortable, and part of me would be grateful if I never had to do a TV spot again. I did as much MSNBC as I did because I like and respect Keith Olbermann and Ed Schultz. If they decided they didn't want me on anymore, I'd be perfectly okay with that. However, I do think it's noteworthy when I've been booted from the network because of a Scarborough temper tantrum.

[EFerrari]

29. It speaks volumes about Markos that he's in a fight with morning ho.

They're basically using each other to get attention for a minute.

[Bluenorthwest]

32. I agree fully

You said it better.

[sufrommich]

34. It makes no difference whether it's Markos or Joe Blow.

Joe Scarborough( the biggest right wing idiot on MSNBC) gets to decide who goes on MSNBC( not just his show) and who doesn't. What it tells me is that there are some posters who are OK with this as long as they don't like the person being banned. Unbelievable.

[EFerrari]

38. Well, we can't exactly change the internal politics at MSNBC.

Maybe part of it is that most people recognize that MSNBC is more of a fake news outlet than the Daily Show and they expect it to be booked with all the finesse used by comedy club bookers (who are notoriously arbitrary).

[OHdem10]

24. Now do you understand how the MSM does not cross the GOP.

They will use their corporate ties.

[truebrit71]

26. Wow...amazed someone finally had the chance to call that scumbag out on his dead-intern problem..

..I'd like to see that pursued..

[FrenchieCat]

31. Telling that this thread should be what a scumbag Intern Joe is.....

and instead, many of the posts are about KOS.

Telling indeed.

[Segami]

33. Indeed!

[EFerrari]

39. Most people don't give a damn about Ho but they know Kos is used

to represent the left and he's a terrible rep.

Telling, my granny.

[LiberalLovinLug]

94. Indeed!

Kos may not be the most gifted orator, but he is on "our" side on the vast majority of issues. This is not a DU vs. DK, but it seems some here think so. ALL progressive sites should be supportive of one another. The lock-step mentality of the right has its benefits, in that Rush doesn't criticize Beck etc...The "big tent" that the left naturally embraces because we are liberal to choice, sometimes is difficult to maneuver, so lets not make it more difficult by piling onto, what I see as, a trendy bashing of the owner of that "other" site just because he isn't Keith Olberman like in his television skills.

[TheKentuckian]

35. I don't care a lot for Markos and don't "trust" him but Joe's clout is the issue to me.

I don't want to see a day when he gets into a tiff with someone who I want to hear and he has them disappeared.

Today it's Markos but tomorrow it will might be Joan Walsh, Eugene Robinson, or Lord knows who. Maddow has a little dip and Joe uses his influence to doghouse her or anything can happen in such a culture.

[HipChick]

36. MSNBC bodycount...Schuster,Markos, Carlos Watson

anyone else?

[TheKentuckian]

43. Exactly, and considering the state of the corporate media

The charge of blacklisting isn't too far off.

A liberal that can't book on MSNBC for being too far off the reservation isn't going to get a lot of calls from CBS, ABC, CNN, faux, or Bloomberg.

You are no longer for mass consumption and that is meaningful and not too difficult to abuse.

[Hansel]

47. Phil Donohue

[Enthusiast]

72. All he did was point out

the obvious truth. But it was not an acceptable truth. I would like to see Phil Donahue return to MSNBC.

Now this is a guy that was truly blacklisted. You can speak the truth on TV, just don't speak the truth about George W Bush and a fake war that is going to make millions, even billions of dollars, for the PTB.

[Senator]

76. Ashleigh Banfield

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2007/04/truths-consequences-by-digby-since.html

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[femrap]

42. Markos is a

whiny repugnant lite that can't be trusted.

edited: I can't spell todya! ;)

[flyarm]

45. You got that right..I cant stand his whiny ass! eom

[AlbertCat]

104. I cant stand his whiny ass!

I've never heard his ass whine.

Please, some links to him whining.... any? Not on his blog either, but on MSNBC.


In case you don't recognize whining... here's an example:


JoeNBC: @markos Unbelievable. You have a long history of spreading lies suggesting I am a murderer. This is the 3rd or 4th time by my count.

[depakid]

46. What a sorry bunch the American corporate media is

No blackballs for serial liars- many of whom simply make shit up, but a ban for a commentator pointing out and obvious hypocrisy.

[Enthusiast]

73. Well put, depakid.

Serial liars are fine as long as they stick with the acceptable lies. The corporate media sucks!

[nikto]

48. The likely fact remains...

Laura Klausutis was very possibly murdered by Scarborough.

The Powers of the GOP/Conservative media machine were called upon to keep
the story from materializing.

And they did it.

If Markos can bring the case back for serious re-examination (and not just another whitewash),
any minor damage to his rep is worth it.

There is something called "Justice", after all.
Even with the policy of IOKIYAR.
:eyes:

[Joe Bacon]

65. Doesn't matter. Scarborough is above the law

Just like every other Republican, the law doesn't apply to him. Condit was destroyed because he was a Democrat. Even after the killer confessed, our whore press still trashed Condit and they still trashed Condit. Meanwhile Killer Joe got and STILL gets pass after pass because he's a Republican!

[Enthusiast]

74. You are so right. nt

[pattmarty]

49. Jesusfuckingchrist, reading some of the posts here one would think......

........Moulitsas was a puppy/kitten serial killer. I must have missed it, but when did he become an enemy of the "progressives"?

[Dinger]

50. I Was Wondering That Too (nt)

[pattmarty]

54. It was probably the shitty healthcare "reform".

[Enthusiast]

75. Hey! He said stuff about Joe!

Didn't you know that Morning Joe is very popular with DUers? I didn't either. :crazy:

[pattmarty]

80. Believe it or not the only person with any brains on that fucking..............

.........show is Pat Buchanan whenever he is on. The rest of them are a bunch of gossipy nit wits. It's like watching Kathy Lee and Yoda (or whatever her name is). You watch that kind of shit much and your brain starts to liquefy and run out your left ear. The ONLY people I watch on the "liberal" MSNBC network is Olberman, Maddow, Larry O'Donnell, Ed Schultz (sometimes), Dylan Ratigan and Tamron Hall & Schuster when they were on. Most of the stuff on the "liberal network" ain't so liberal.

[Enthusiast]

82. I've never watched Morning Joe.

Well, I've watched a minute here and there. I don't much care for what I read about Joe. He is a filthy Republican, after all. My favorites are Rachel and Larry.

[Moochy]

86. "progressives" theres that awesome airquoting

Now everyone continue broad brushing and separating into camps.

[pattmarty]

96. And do you have anything of value to contribute other than your.............

..........smart ass bullshit? Any fucking useful ideas? Don't think too hard, might shit your pants.

[Moochy]

109. Yeah quit airquoting 'progressives'

Late for your Tourette's therapy?

[Synnical]

51. I hate Twitter.

Just adds to the sound byte non-news cycle.

-Cindy in Fort Lauderdale

[BrklynLiberal]

52. must read later

[tsuki]

53. Lori Klausutis is her name. And when will she receive justice? nt

[joe black]

66. When joe blow takes a lie detector test.

[Norrin Radd]

56. Isn't DU blackballed on the

Daily Kos blogroll?

[Renew Deal]

92. Probably

Because this is a better site than that one. Why would someone want to read paragraphs of crap spread out all over the place when they can get it quicker here?

[rurallib]

57. If anyone ever wondered why Democrats can't keep their elected officials in line

read this thread.
Kos now joins Donohue. And those on the right who have been banned are:



Well I guess no one on the right has ever done anything as egregious.

[sendero]

58. Go figure..

... I've been blacklisted too! I've never been on the show.

What a drama queen. I hate it when people misuse words like that, it cheapens them.

[rpannier]

60. The best line from the article

a man who wilts in the face of the awesome power of Twitter and its 140-character limit.

[madrchsod]

77. oh the mighty kos can`t be on the tee vee....

will anyone miss him?

[Moochy]

88. Kossacks

that's about 3000 people... but other than that. :shrug:

[Blue_Tires]

81. LOL... Kos is my hero after that, but he had to know NBC was done with him

the moment he went down that road...

[mmonk]

84. While he might not have made a direct accusation, people could infer one.

What was he expecting, no response at all or a discussion of the case on Morning Joe? He screwed up IMO and now wants to shift the blame on the outcome. If he remains respectful and quiet, I could see his return as a guest (which he obviously enjoys). Not sure that is the path he is choosing. Note: I'm not for Joe being able to censure people from a network. I understand the decision.

[bongbong]

85. IOKIYAR

That is rule number 1 among the media/courts/police/etc, and rule number 2 is this:

"If there is any questions, see rule #1"

[bongbong]

87. IOKIYAR

That is rule number 1 among the media/courts/police/etc, and rule number 2 is this:

"If there are any questions, see rule #1"

[Loudmxr]

90. Every time the "political correctness is the death of discourse" crowd gets their noses bloodied

They go whining and screaming "no fair no fair" he called me nasty names. Well Booo Hooo Joe.:cry:

Cry me a river!!!

BTW I met the guy who wrote CMAR and he HATED the way Joe Cocker did it. :Shrug:

[glowing]

91. Seems as if someone is a little too worried?

Perhaps there is more to that case than meets the eye. I wish someone would dig it up rather than continued speculation. All the actions around the events seem odd. And the morning joke show sucks. Mika makes women look bad. Joe makes the human population look bad. The only interest to me is if the crap they say is really how they think in congress. And if so, it's really time to get some new people.

[crazyjoe]

95. fact is, Markos isn't important enough to be blacklisted

there, I said it.

[Cronus Protagonist]

102. +1000

It's a tempest in a teapot.... a rather undesirable teapot, I might add.

[Moochy]

111. exactly... he wishes that he was

[LatteLibertine]

97. I'd rather they ditch Joe

[Cronus Protagonist]

100. "it seems"

These are the key words in the OP. The rest, therefore, is mental masturbation.

[winstars]

110. Kos Did Fuck up TANCREDO on MSNBC...

Hate him if you want but for this DU'er he gets at least one 'get out of jail card' from me.We all should remember that Kos, being a vet, had the BALLS to call Tom Tancredo a CHICKEN HAWK on the TeeVee!!! Little Man TT was so mindfucked that he actually took his mike off and split. That's what I am Talking about!!! Can someone here please tell me about all the other times I have missed 'pug scum being called out on their lack of patriotism in serving their country. I must have missed them. Kos is a lot of things and is certainly not perfect but he does have a progressive heart!!! And a big set...