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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-10 01:04 PM
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More Notice Growing Bipartisan Consensus for Social Security Benefit Cuts - FDL
More Notice Growing Bipartisan Consensus for Social Security Benefit Cuts
By: David Dayen Wednesday July 7, 2010 8:30 am

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It’s a bit jarring that it’s taken the Josh Marshall empire this long to plug in to the looming reality of the cat food commission and their drive to cut Social Security. Marshall led the fight online against Bush’s privatization scheme, but has laid low as the Bowles-Simpson commission organized themselves. But in a piece from Brian Beutler, finally the growing rhetoric is getting a notice, particularly for increases in the retirement age.

Several of the most powerful members of the House — Republicans and Democrats — have recently voiced real support for the idea of raising the retirement age for people middle-aged and younger as part of a larger plan to reduce long-term deficits, inching closer to what not too long ago was the third rail of American politics <...>

House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer explicitly put the idea on the table as well in a speech last month. “We should consider a higher retirement age or one pegged to lifespan,” Hoyer said.

He echoed House Majority Whip James Clyburn, who put it this way: “With minor changes to the program such as raising the salary cap and raising the retirement age by one month every year, the program could become solvent for the next 75 years.” One month a year may not sound like much, but if you’re 30 years away from retirement, that adds up to almost three years.

In the House, though, Nancy Pelosi is the linchpin, and she’s not nearly as enthusiastic as her colleagues. But, notwithstanding the enthusiasm gap, she also left the possibility of raising the retirement age on the table. When asked about it by TPMDC at her press conference last week, she criticized the plan, but mainly to say she disagrees with putting Social Security on the chopping block ahead of other measures. “Why they would start talking about a place that could be harmful to our seniors — 70 is a relative age,” Pelosi said. “Around here, there’s not a lot of outdoor work or heavy lifting. But for some people it is, and 70 means something different to them. So in any event let’s talk about growth, lets talk about how we can reduce spending, lets put everything, those initiatives: promoting growth, tightening the belt, looking at entitlements. But let’s not start on the backs of our seniors.”


Pelosi, of course, orchestrated last week’s vote which committed the House (though not statutorily) to voting on any Senate-passed recommendations of the cat food commission.

Increasing the payroll tax cap to capture the 90% of salary which was the historical benchmark would cover close to half of the long-term Social Security funding issues, which are relatively minor compared to all other federal spending. Eliminating the payroll tax cap would eliminate that long-term issue entirely and allow for a modest increase in benefits. The choice to raise the retirement age is a choice to essentially give richer Americans a large tax cut. And that’s the choice Steny Hoyer, James Clyburn and arguably Nancy Pelosi are making. Raising the retirement age is a benefit cut over the lifetime of the program, and it breaks the promise of Social Security.

I got in a small Twitter spat before leaving last week for vacation with someone who was convinced that the Senate would never vote for any of the cat food commission recommendations, for a variety of reasons. In the first place, the solution would be balanced with tax increases, and Republicans would never go for them. But Republicans on the panel are singing its praises precisely because of the focus on spending cuts to the exclusion of tax increases. Next he said that Democratic Senators wouldn’t go along with anything that fell harshly on the side of cuts, but the words of Hoyer and Clyburn certainly show the possibility for Democratic leaders to agree, and you can tick off a handful of conservative Senate Democrats willing to show their fiscal responsibility bona fides without even thinking hard about it.

It would be good to see people wake up to this reality. Perhaps nothing will come out of the commission. Perhaps Republicans will see a tax and just vote it down. Perhaps 41 Democrats will stick together. But one thing is clear – with no pushback from the grassroots, politicians will feel quite free to mess with Social Security and build a bipartisan DC consensus against the public.

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Link: http://news.firedoglake.com/2010/07/07/more-notice-growing-bipartisan-consensus-for-social-security-benefit-cuts/

WE... are the third-rail!!!

:shrug:

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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-10 01:10 PM
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1. You'll hear less and less of that kind of horseshit as the election nears - from either Party.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-10 01:14 PM
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3. Yes... And That's Why The Catfood Commission Convenes AFTER The Mid-Terms, And...
the votes by Congress are scheduled for the lame-duck session.

:shrug:
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-10 01:27 PM
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10. If Dems seriously go for this attack on Social Security, it will be time for open politcial war.
If this attack becomes a Dem position, then it will be time to found ThirdPartyUnderground.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-10 01:13 PM
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2. Stop the wars; raise the cap; let Bush's tax cuts for the wealthy expire!
Let's start running this country with logic and reason, not myth and superstition.

Reaganomics was a total failure. Get over it!!!
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Wwagsthedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-10 01:18 PM
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5. +1
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Bigmack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-10 01:18 PM
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6. What you said! nt
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-10 01:39 PM
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16. Logic and reason seem to have permenently left Capital Hill
it's as if a group of greedy toddlers has taken over and are madly grabbing all the Halloween candy for themselves and their bestest friends. They seem to have zero comprehension of cause and effect.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-10 06:15 PM
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29. +infinity. nt
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HillbillyBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-10 01:14 PM
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4. These schmucks act like the 800 a month I get is going to break
the thing..how bout cutting DoD appropriations by 50% we would still have the largest most expensive killing department in the world. While folks like me who worked 2 jobs to make ends meet only to lose it all in one illness/injury have to figure out what we can eat all month that is NOT catfood. I refuse to eat rendered dead shit..I have been to a pet food rendering plant..I still gag at the thought and memory of the smell 24 yrs later.
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Bigmack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-10 01:22 PM
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7. Couple of things...
First of all, one of the things SS was supposed to do is put money into the economy directly. SS recipients got so little that they spent every dime, thus stimulating the economy. Why don't these dumbfucks .... Repub and Dem.... understand that?

Second, somebody posted yesterday that store-brand tuna is cheaper than catfood, and probably prepared more hygienically. Oh.. happy .... fucking... day!

We are all going to have to be experts on this shit by the time the catfood commission is done.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-10 01:36 PM
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14. A-freaking-men
there's never any argument from either party about spending more for wars that protect no one. But actually saving America with SS benefits? THAT they argue over??? Insane!

Oh, and non human grade (USDA) pet food is far nastier now then it was 25 years ago. There's a reason why the cancer and kidney failure rate is so high among dogs and cats now. The crap they put in Iams, Purina, Science Diet etc. is ILLEGAL to serve to us. Just think of how bad it must be if the corrupt FDA won't allow it in our food processing plants??
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-10 01:26 PM
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8. Don't balance SS on the backs of Seniors!
There are a LOT of other areas to cut in the federal budget. We cannot be fooled into thinking this program, out of all others, MUST be "self-supporting." That's BULLSHIT.

Raising the retirement age as a compromise is also bullshit. No one should have to work after 65 unless they want to.
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-10 01:27 PM
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9. What would we do without our daily dose of Jane?
:cry:
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-10 01:36 PM
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13. Actually It Was David, But I Pick Nits...
:D
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-10 01:37 PM
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15. Same peas in the same pod.
:puke:
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-10 01:45 PM
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18. Well... I Tend To Think That People Who Want To Avoid The Truth Are The Real Pod People
:shrug:
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-10 01:49 PM
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19. The truth?
:rofl:
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-10 02:21 PM
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20. Please... Point Out The Items In The Article That Are Factually Inaccurate
Thanks in advance.

:shrug:
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-10 02:23 PM
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23. Reality
Consensus may be building. We might strike oil on the Capitol lawn. Barney Frank might finally be offered a guest spot on The Simpsons.



None of it matters. It is the absolute worst kind of fear-mongering.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-10 02:25 PM
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25. Well... You Certainly Showed Me
:yoiks:
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IOKIYAL Donating Member (149 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-10 02:25 PM
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24. Please tell us why you are hysterical over a report that you have not seen?
Fear and cynicism - Jane Hamsher uses it well. She should run for office.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-10 02:37 PM
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26. Because If You Wait For A Fait Accompli, You By Definition Have Waited Too Long
We watch for signs of which way the wind is blowing, and if we don't like it, we sound the alarm right away.

And I DEFINITELY don't like which way the wind is blowing.

In this case, you put our elected officials on notice that they will receive MAJOR GRIEF if they go down the path they seem to be contemplating. That's why they've always referred to messing with Social Security as the "Third Rail of Politics". You don't dare touch it if you want to stay in office.

:shrug:
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-10 07:19 PM
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31. Hello...Care To Respond To Post # 26 ???
Just wondering...

:shrug:
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IOKIYAL Donating Member (149 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-10 02:23 PM
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22. Stay Sane?
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-10 06:20 PM
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30. Do you have anything to say about the content..
or are you just here to attack the messenger?
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-10 01:31 PM
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11. They'll propose 75, then "compromise" on 70, and tell us it's a gift.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-10 01:31 PM
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12. The homeless and suicide rates will skyrocket if this happens
I have friends whose elderly parents are trying to survive on their SS checks now and failing. If you've spent a lifetime earning just enough to live paycheck to paycheck, then your benefits are just over $600 a month. Who can survive on that? They already have to depend on strained family members (if they have them) to make up the difference. If there are cuts then they'll simply become homeless. :-(
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-10 01:41 PM
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17. "...Nancy Pelosi is the linchpin..." but she may be OUT, come January
:(
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IOKIYAL Donating Member (149 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-10 02:22 PM
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21. Keep recycling the same story. Josh is reporting the growing hysteria not endorsing it.
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FBI_Un_Sub Donating Member (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-10 02:51 PM
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27. My SS reform

  1. Blow away the $106,000 income ceiling.
  2. Tax previously "exempt" and "sheltered" and "preferred" income -- there's a lot of it.
  3. If necessary after 1 and 2, above, raise the rate --- but my 'back of the envelope" calculations convince me it won't be necessary.


Hint -- what I am doing is soaking the rich that Bush protected.
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cutlassmama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-10 06:15 PM
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28. Raising the age and the payroll tax cap sound reasonable to me. As long
as they don't cut the amount of the checks each month I don't see a problem. :shrug:
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Kltpzyxm Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-10 07:35 PM
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32. Raising the age
is a death sentence for a lot of people.

As for the amount of the checks, since they use some bullshit inflation measure as I understand it, then it IS a problem.
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