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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-06-10 07:12 PM
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Thank Eric Holder for Protecting Civil Rights in Arizona :)
When the state of Arizona passed SB 1070--legislation that effectively mandates racial profiling of Latinos--over 55,000 CREDO members joined together in urging Attorney General Eric Holder to file a lawsuit to prevent the law from ever going into effect.

And today, that's just what he did.

We know that there will be a backlash from people who oppose civil rights protections for Latinos and immigrants, so it's important that we show Attorney General Holder that we support his efforts to defend the Constitution and oppose state-mandated racial profiling.

Snip* Attorney General Holder,

I strongly support your decision to file a lawsuit to stop Arizona's SB 1070 from ever taking effect. Thank you for taking the necessary federal action to protect civil rights in a state where the governor and legislature have written racial discrimination into the law.

https://act.credoaction.com/campaign/thank_holder/index.html?r=5746
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Dave From Canada Donating Member (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-06-10 07:16 PM
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1. And not protecting voter rights in Pennsylvania. n/t
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-06-10 07:21 PM
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2. Ahhh, Dave, there you are! I have missed you!
So, do you support the action by the DOJ in their actions wrt the Arizona law, putting aside your issue (unexplained in your post, btw) regarding voter rights in Pennsylvania? Just a gentle suggestion, when posting a response such as yours, it would be eminently more helpful if your post included why the need to insert the Pennsylvania issue (again, unexplained in your post unfortunately) as it relates to the OP.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-06-10 07:22 PM
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3. What "Civil Rights in Arizona" has Holder protected? He is arguing AZ cannot enforce federal law
so whatever civil rights you refer to must be violated by federal law.

Please explain how a state government can violate civil rights with a "state law" but, federal government cannot violate those same civil rights with the same law simply called "federal law".
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-06-10 07:26 PM
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5. That the AZ law is "the same" as federal law is an RW talking point
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-06-10 07:35 PM
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9. I read the law and the authors went to great pains to mirror federal law. It will be
interesting to read briefs from both sides if the case reaches SCOTUS and see if Kris Kobach and the authors of the Arizona law were successful in their efforts to write the law so it did not contravene preemption doctrine by providing for concurrent enforcement of federal law.

I do hope SCOTUS hears the case because it would be a real legal jousting match.
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JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-06-10 07:38 PM
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11. Kris Kobach
belongs to FAIR which is racially driven organization. He was also an attorney under John Ashcroft so don't be surprised when others disagree.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-06-10 08:13 PM
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16. It will be interesting to read briefs from both sides if SCOTUS hears the case. n/t
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-06-10 07:45 PM
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12. From the ACLU:
snip* Declares that the above provisions shall be implemented in a manner consistent with federal
immigration laws and civil rights protections.

It is unclear what this provision could mean in practice, since several of the provisions of the bill are
facially inconsistent with federal statutes, regulations, and the constitutions of the United States and
Arizona.

http://acluaz.org/ACLU-AZ%20Section%20By%20Section%20Analysis%20of%20SB1070updated%204-14-10.pdf
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-06-10 08:02 PM
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13. I hope SCOTUS hears the case so interested people can read briefs from both sides before a decision
is given.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-06-10 07:28 PM
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6. That's right. He's defending federal prerogative, not civil rights. n/t
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-06-10 07:35 PM
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10. That's my understanding. n/t
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JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-06-10 07:30 PM
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7. No he isn't
Plus the laws are worded very different.

* Enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers; or
* Eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers; or
* Attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact;

http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/uscode/8/12/II/VIII/1325

Federal Law

The state law requires officers to demand proof when there is "reasonable suspicion" someone is here illegally.

The way it protects the civil rights is that this law very well (especially with Sheriff Joe's team) could lead to racial profiling when it is already a problem in this state. Why do you think there are Hispanic citizens leaving the state? They know what's going on and they are tired as it is dealing with harassment.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-06-10 08:10 PM
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14. See # 5 link for Holder's case "S.B. 1070 is preempted by federal law and therefore violates the
Supremacy Clause of the United States Constitution."

Holder is not defending civil rights as stated in the cited lawsuit.
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-06-10 08:17 PM
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17. He is accomplishing both, as the lawsuit hopefully stops the AZ law
from going into effect in a few weeks.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-06-10 08:24 PM
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18. So we have different opinions. Have a great evening. n/t
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JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-06-10 08:29 PM
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19. Read the lawsuit
Edited on Tue Jul-06-10 08:31 PM by JonLP24
The reason that is the main basis is that is the most effective basis to go on. The 25 page lawsuit addresses all that.

"It will cause the detention and harassment of authorized visitors, immigrants, and citizens
who do not have or carry identification documents specified by the statute, or who otherwise
will be swept into the ambit of S.B. 1070’s “attrition through enforcement” approach."

Even though the lawsuit states that attrition is the only goal it goes on to list other potential problems such as disrupting Federal enforcement resources and priorities. It also goes on to say that will ignore humanitarian issues such as the protections afforded by Federal law. It also says "But "reasonable suspicion" is not definitive proof, and will often result in the verification requirement applied - wholly unnecessarily- to lawful present aliens and Un ited States Citizens.

It does not leave out the civil rights implications of this legislation.

http://www.azcentral.com/ic/pdf/0706us-sb1070-lawsuit.pdf
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-06-10 08:31 PM
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20. Hope SCOTUS hears the case so we can read briefs from both sides and a decision. n/t
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-06-10 07:31 PM
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8. He is trying to prevent the law from going into effect, that is not a move
to protect their civil rights for the time being?
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-06-10 08:11 PM
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15. See # 14. n/t
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SargeUNN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-06-10 09:17 PM
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21. excuse me jody but
I know in your mind all of us here in Arizona are racist in your mind but just like in Jim Crow Mississippi where I grew up such an idea is as wrong as it is stupid to embrace. Maybe you should think before you stereotype everyone here and we won't all assume you are just dumb either.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-06-10 09:47 PM
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22. What's your problem, I commented on my understanding of the issue Holder was going to argue in a
case that may go to SCOTUS, specifically in the lawsuit, link in #5, "1. In this action, the United States seeks to declare invalid and preliminarily and permanently enjoin the enforcement of S.B. 1070, as amended and enacted by the State of Arizona, because S.B. 1070 is preempted by federal law and therefore violates the Supremacy Clause of the United States Constitution."

I see nothing in Holder's lawsuit that emphasizes "civil rights" but I do see a contention of federal power through the Supremacy Clause.

I look forward to reading briefs from both sides if SCOTUS hears the case as well as a decision.

You are dead wrong in stating "I know in your mind all of us here in Arizona are racist in your mind" because I have too many relatives and friends there as well as fond memories from my tours of duty in Arizona from which I know that Arizona is no different than other state.

Have a great evening :hi:
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-06-10 07:23 PM
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4. *I'll* K&R this #3 !1 n/t
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-06-10 10:00 PM
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23. K&R for its discussion value. n/t
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-10 07:01 PM
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24. Frequently Asked Questions About the Arizona Racial Profiling Law
What is wrong with Arizona SB 1070?
This bill, signed into law on April 23, 2010 by Arizona governor Jan Brewer, requires police officers in Arizona to demand papers proving citizenship or immigration status from people whom they stop, based only on some undefined "reasonable suspicion" that they are in the country unlawfully. But in America, everyone is supposed to be presumed innocent. This turns the presumption of innocence on its head.

Because in most cases it is hard to conceive of any legitimate way law enforcement could develop a suspicion that someone is here unlawfully, the law clearly invites racial profiling by officers who are likely to rely on the way people look in forming any “suspicion” that they are not in this country legally. The law invites discrimination.

Under this law, people who look “foreign” are more likely to be stopped for minor infractions – having a broken taillight, jaywalking or having an overgrown lawn – and then asked for their papers if police believe, just by looking at them, that they could be in the country unlawfully. That means that U.S. citizens and non-citizens alike will be required to carry papers on them at all times. These tactics are the hallmarks of a “police state,” more often associated with totalitarian regimes.

What is the ACLU doing about the law?
The ACLU, the Mexican-American Legal Defense and Education Fund (MALDEF) and the National Immigration Law Center (NILC), along with other civil rights groups, have filed a legal challenge to the law in federal court to stop the law from taking effect. The lawsuit charges that the law violates numerous provisions of the U.S. Constitution. Notably, it violates the 14th Amendment’s guarantee of equal protection under the law because it unlawfully invites the racial profiling of Latinos and other people who look or sound foreign-born. By interfering with the federal government’s authority to regulate and enforce immigration, it also violates the supremacy clause of the Constitution.

How does the law cause racial profiling?
By requiring that all law enforcement officials question people they stop about their citizenship or immigration status if they have an undefined “reasonable suspicion” the person is in this country illegally, SB 1070 is inviting police to rely on appearance and characteristics such as race, ethnicity, and language. How else would a police officer form a suspicion that someone is in this country unlawfully? We have not heard a single example of a legitimate basis for forming such suspicion from any of the law’s supporters. Relying on a person’s appearance is not “reasonable” and is not constitutional.

This law actually invites racial profiling at two junctures. First, law enforcement might find a reason to stop people on a very minor infraction based on the way they look, and then demand their papers. Or they can stop them for an unbiased reason and then, based on appearance and nothing else, demand their papers. Americans come in every shape and size, from every background and every corner of the earth. When you consider the long history, even before this law was passed, of racial profiling against people suspected of being in this country illegally, it is pretty easy to see how a law requiring police officers to demand papers based solely on their suspicions will be abused.

Finally, using local police officers who are untrained in the complexities and proper enforcement of federal immigration law is a recipe for racial profiling, particularly in Arizona. Just ask Julio and Julian Mora – a lawful permanent resident and his U.S. citizen son – who were stopped by the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office as they drove on a public street, arrested and forcibly transported to the site of an immigration raid.

For three years, Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio has deployed hundreds of deputies and volunteer posses to target Latino neighborhoods, rounding up people on the streets, questioning and detaining people driving through traffic stops and the like, including U.S. citizens and lawful residents, based on presumptions that they may be unlawfully present in the United States. Despite civil rights lawsuits and a United States Justice Department investigation into these practices, Arpaio remains unfazed. Two-thirds of Arizonans already live in Maricopa County, and this law will simply require all police officers in the state to act like Arpaio’s deputies.

Why won’t the amendments to the law prevent racial profiling?
The last-minute language inserted in the bill to answer outrage over racial profiling is a fig leaf, designed to cover the plain fact that apart from appearance, it’s hard to imagine any way a police officer could suspect that someone was not in the country legally. What other factors would they use? Accent? Language? That they’re near another person who admits that he’s undocumented? That they “dress foreign?”

We’ve already seen this in Maricopa County – home to 2/3 of all Arizonans – where the Sheriff’s Office and volunteer posses have conducted mass sweeps of Latino neighborhoods, rounding up people on the street and pulling people out of their cars for alleged violations of minor traffic laws and the like. U.S. citizens and lawful residents have been profiled in this manner just because they look like they could be unlawfully present. In fact, the ACLU is already representing a number of people in this country legally who have been profiled, including Julio and Julian Mora mentioned above.

Stopping drivers because of how they look and then coming up with some reason for the stop other than race is nothing new. We’ve seen it in other contexts before. African Americans have long been targeted for “driving while black.” In the early studies we’ve seen on the impact of local police engaging in enforcement of immigration laws, there have been clear spikes in the targeting of Latinos for minor, misdemeanor offenses, often with no follow-up prosecution under those minor offenses.

For additional information, see www.acluaz.org/DrivingWhileBlackorBrown.pdf, an ACLU report, “Driving While Black or Brown,” that analyses data of highway stops in Arizona showing minorities are much more likely to be searched and stopped for longer periods of time.

What’s wrong with having Arizona police enforce immigration?
As many top law enforcement officials, including the Arizona Association of Chiefs of Police, have already acknowledged, this law will significantly harm the public trust that law enforcement officials need in order to protect the people of Arizona and will alienate police officers from the communities they serve. The law will force police officers to devote scarce resources to investigating false threats rather than solving serious crimes. The criminal justice system is compromised because crime victims are more vulnerable and will be unwilling to report crimes and witnesses will be afraid to cooperate out of fear that they will be targeted. Local cops will be put into the difficult position of relying on biased presumptions – and racial profiling – when asking anyone who looks or sounds foreign to confirm their citizenship or immigration status.

Additionally, the few instances where the federal government has deputized local law enforcement in Arizona to enforce immigration laws under the federal 287(g) program has proved to be disastrous, resulting in racial profiling and other civil rights and civil liberties abuses. The Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office is already under investigation by the U.S. Justice Department and the ACLU has brought two lawsuits specifically challenging the targeting of Latino motorists, including U.S. citizens and lawful residents, for harassment and violations of civil liberties.

What is “reasonable suspicion” that someone is in the country unlawfully?
No one, including the Governor who signed this bill into law, has come up with a good explanation for what that means in the context of this law. How is a cop on the street supposed to tell that someone is unauthorized to be in the United States just by looking at them? Generally, “reasonable suspicion” is a legal term describing the circumstances under which an officer can prevent someone from walking or driving away. It’s more than just a hunch and requires an officer to rely on objective facts that lead him or her to believe a crime has been or is being committed. The rampant racial profiling we’ve seen in Maricopa County even before SB 1070 was passed and the fact that no legitimate grounds have been presented for forming such suspicion in this context give us no confidence that this is a workable standard in Arizona for this kind of law.

What is the difference between this law and the federal law?
The Arizona law goes well beyond federal law because it mandates that all local police and sheriffs demand papers from people they stop and believe may be in the country without authorization. Nowhere is such requirement in federal law. This law reverses the presumption of innocence, forcing police officers on the street to demand that people prove they are U.S. citizens or otherwise in the country legally. The racial profiling this law invites with its undefined standard for what constitutes “reasonable suspicion” that someone is in the country unlawfully would violate the Constitution’s guarantee of equal protection under the law and federal civil rights protections.

There are a number of ways in which the Arizona law directly conflicts with federal law regarding the regulation and enforcement of immigration. As a threshold matter, SB 1070 presumes that the citizenship or immigration status of individuals can be determined simply, outside the complex administrative procedures set up under our nation’s immigration laws. It cannot. Moreover, the Arizona law would also impose different state penalties against people for conduct, such as authorization to work in the United States that is directly regulated under federal law. Not only is this unconstitutional under the supremacy cause, but it is also bad policy as the United States cannot have a patchwork of conflicting immigration laws depending on what state you happen to find yourself in.

The proponents of the law claim that this isn’t preempted by federal law because it is “concurrent enforcement,” which is legal. In other words, they say that this is just enforcing federal law. What do you say to that?
This is not about enforcing federal law, it is about creating new state laws and a new state system that requires local police and sheriffs to ask people they stop for their papers in a way that promotes racial profiling of Latinos and other presumed immigrants. Additionally, SB1070 criminalizes conduct that is not criminal under federal law, like working without employment authorization.

The proponents of this law have trotted out their so-called doctrine of “concurrent enforcement” in defense of anti-immigrant housing laws in New Jersey, Pennsylvania, California, Missouri, and Texas, and in every one of those cases the housing restrictions have been struck down. The even more-extreme SB 1070 should meet a similar fate.

Isn’t it already a crime not to carry papers?
While there are federal laws requiring certain non-citizens to carry papers issued to them by the federal government, the federal provisions cited in this bill do not require what Arizona is compelling in its law. Trained federal immigration officials review immigration documents in specific circumstances when they encounter individuals who they know are not citizens. They don’t just approach people who look like they could be immigrants and ask them to produce their papers. Similarly, for many good reasons, federal law does not require cops on the street who are not even adequately trained on the complexities of federal immigration law to ask people they stop to show their papers.

Wouldn’t you agree that being in this country illegally is a crime? Don’t we expect police officers to stop crime?
This law would transform Arizona into a police state where all Latino residents, and others who look or sound foreign, are treated like potential criminal suspects. Federal immigration policy is very complicated, carrying both civil and criminal penalties. Congress has chosen not to make it a crime simply to be in the United States without authorization. That’s what the marches of millions of people across the country in 2005 were all about. Nothing prevents police from investigating real criminal conduct and activity within the limits of our Constitution. This Arizona law is un-American because it goes beyond that and undermines our values of fairness and equality for all people.

http://www.aclu.org/immigrants-rights-racial-justice/frequently-asked-questions-about-arizona-racial-profiling-law
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 12:03 PM
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26. U.S. Department Of Justice Files Lawsuit Against Arizona's Racial Profiling Law
July 6, 2010
ACLU And Other Groups Also Challenging Law Laud Obama Administration's Action

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
CONTACT: (212) 549-2666; media@aclu.org

WASHINGTON – The U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) filed a lawsuit today challenging Arizona's recently enacted racial profiling law known as SB 1070 In taking this extraordinary action, the federal government has sent a clear message that it will not tolerate state laws that invite racial stereotyping and profiling and interfere with federal immigration priorities and policies.

The American Civil Liberties Union, along with a coalition of leading rights groups, filed a lawsuit in May challenging the constitutionality of the law.

The civil rights coalition includes the ACLU, MALDEF, National Immigration Law Center (NILC), Asian Pacific American Legal Center (APALC) – a member of the Asian American Center for Advancing Justice – ACLU of Arizona, National Day Laborer Organizing Network (NDLON) and the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP). The law firm of Munger, Tolles & Olson LLP is serving as pro bono co-counsel in the case.

The following statements can be attributed to members of the coalition, as listed below.

Lucas Guttentag, Director of the ACLU Immigrants' Rights Project:

"We commend the Obama administration for taking this critical step to negate Arizona's unconstitutional usurpation of federal authority and its invitation to racial profiling. The administration's lawsuit is a cannon shot across the bow of other states that may be tempted to follow Arizona's misguided approach. We will continue to aggressively pursue our legal challenge and welcome the Justice Department's participation in the battle to preserve American values of fairness and equality."

Linton Joaquin, General Counsel of NILC:

"States planning to follow in Arizona's misguided footsteps should take note: the United States cannot and should not allow immigrants and communities of color to be targets of hateful racial profiling legislation that puts their civil liberties on the line. We are pleased to see that the government has exercised its legal right to protect the rights of those within its borders and ensure that federal issues remain squarely in the federal domain."

Alessandra Soler Meetze, Executive Director of the ACLU of Arizona:

"The Obama administration's action against this 'show me your papers' law sends a loud and clear message against state laws that institutionalize racial profiling of Latinos and result in an erosion of trust between law enforcement and the community. There has been a long history of racial profiling of Latinos in our state, particularly in Maricopa County, causing witnesses and victims of crime to be less willing to come forward. We will fight vigorously to keep this law from going into effect, and welcome the administration's efforts toward the same goal."

Julie Su, Litigation Director, Asian Pacific American Legal Center, a member of Asian American Center for Advancing Justice:

"We welcome the Department of Justice's action against Arizona's law that invites racial profiling of anyone who might be perceived as being foreign, including Asian Americans. We hope the DOJ's challenge to this discriminatory law signals a willingness on the part of the federal government to address the myriad ways that our country's broken immigration system affects Americans and those who seek a better life by coming to America. We need federal action to prevent more cities and states from introducing copycat measures that violate core American values of fairness and equality."

Chris Newman, Legal Director, NDLON:

"The Department of Justice has the legal and moral obligation to challenge SB 1070, not just to protect civil rights in Arizona but also to defend the federal government's exclusive authority to define and implement United States immigration policy."

Benjamin Todd Jealous, President and Chief Executive Officer of the NAACP:

"In filing this lawsuit, the Obama administration has taken a strong and principled stand against Arizona's discriminatory law. African-Americans have the misfortune of being all too familiar with the pernicious effects of racial profiling, and we welcome the addition of the administration to the broad spectrum of organizations already challenging this unconstitutional law. Laws that encourage discrimination have no place in this country. We are confident that the courts will prevent it from ever taking effect."

Organizations and attorneys on the case, Friendly House et al. v. Whiting et al., include:

• ACLU Immigrants' Rights Project: Guttentag, Omar Jadwat, Cecillia Wang, Tanaz Moghadam and Harini P. Raghupathi
• MALDEF: Thomas A. Saenz, Nina Perales, Cynthia Valenzuela Dixon, Victor Viramontes, Gladys Limón, Nicholás Espiritu and Ivan Espinoza-Madrigal
• NILC: Joaquin, Karen Tumlin, Nora A. Preciado, Melissa S. Keaney, Vivek Mittal and Ghazal Tajmiri
• ACLU Foundation of Arizona: Dan Pochoda and Annie Lai
• APALC: Su, Ronald Lee, Yungsuhn Park, Connie Choi and Carmina Ocampo
• NDLON: Newman and Lisa Kung
• NAACP: Laura Blackburne
• Munger Tolles & Olson LLP: Bradley S. Phillips, Paul J. Watford, Joseph J. Ybarra, Susan T. Boyd, Yuval Miller, Elisabeth J. Neubauer and Benjamin Maro
• Roush, Mccracken, Guerrero, Miller & Ortega: Daniel R. Ortega, Jr.

More information about the Arizona law, including an ACLU video and slide show, can be found at: www.aclu.org/what-happens-arizona-stops-arizona

http://www.aclu.org/immigrants-rights-racial-justice/us-department-justice-files-lawsuit-against-arizonas-racial-profili
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