There will be no presidential election.

[Iwasthere]

Mark my words. I have been saying this for years now and catching shit for it. Their intentions are becoming quite obvious now.

[BlackHawk706867]

1. Yep, I tend to agree with you and have also been saying it out loud...

These suckers do not plan to leave office, but rather dispense with Government all together. I would be looking for another Terror attack in the not to distant future, probably in DC.... JMO

ww

[iamahaingttta]

8. They may not leave office...

... but they WILL be removed.

Mark MY words!

[kimmerspixelated]

119. I'm hoping you're the right one!

[bikebloke]

25. ...maybe not DC

They need the government mechanisms in DC to siphon our tax dollars into their own pockets. Unless they've already constructed bypasses. I was thinking they'd hit the west coast. So I guess we'll see.

[A wise Man]

76. The possibility can not be challenged

They wanted to invade IRAQ so bad that they needed an excuse to lie to the people in order for us to believe them,then 9/11 happened. Now I ask you, "WAS THIS A COINCIDENT OR A PLANNED REASON TO INVADE A COUNTRY THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH 9/11 OR ATTACKING US?"

[kimmerspixelated]

120. It was a MIHOP!

[StarryNite]

151. Yes indeed.

And they will do whatever they can to keep the power.

[Subdivisions]

185. And there it is! Those of us who

first began declaring that they MIHOP, we were crazies! Here we are, going on 6 years hence and the evidence has fallen into place and suddenly we're no longer looney tunes.

Yea, they MADE IT HAPPEN ON PURPOSE, just as they will the next http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=860772&mesg_id=860772">"decapition" attack. I infer from this terminology (read: code for Execute the mission.) that a devestating attack will occur soon. But what does "decapitation" infer? DC? Congress?

[chimpymustgo]

166. They said in writing, they needed a Pearl Harbor type event!!!! Wake up people!!!

The lie, they cheat, they steal, they MURDER. They do what ever it takes. It's just a question of when and where.

[windbreeze]

192. don't they have a fully working set of bunkers they built underground?

DC would be the perfect place...because they would just disappear to safety in those underground bunkers...no problem..
wb

[silverojo]

162. Yep...

And martial law will be the order of the day.

I pray we're wrong, but I put nothing past these bastards.

[bdamomma]

2. and I wonder if * will have that "deer in headlights" look

[onenote]

3. And I offer you my standard bet.

If you really believe this to be true, I challenge you to commit to donate $10 to DU if you are wrong. I will donate $100 (ten times that amount) if you are right.

[BlackHawk706867]

4. Sounds like a deal to me... Your on! eom ww

[MonkeyFunk]

5. people said there would be no elections

in 2002, 2004 and 2006, and they were wrong.

We will have elections next year.

[fishwax]

20. and while I don't remember people saying there would be no elections in 2000, some did say that the

clintons would simply refuse to leave the white house.

I agree--we will have elections next year.

[lander]

127. I believe we'll have elections.

The problem is that BushCo. will still have enormous economic power, and massive tracts of land in South America on which to train a formidable private army. They will continue to peddle influence and buy silence -- and that's what scares <i>me</i>.

[MonkeyFunk]

128. oh geez

that's even better. Training a private army in South America.

God, this site cracks me up some days.

[Cobalt-60]

143. They could train a private army

Even in its current state our public army would incinerate it in a single hour.

[silverojo]

163. You forget

Our public army must follow the orders of the commander in chief. That person is Bush.

And if you delude yourself into thinking that the majority of Freeper soldiers will turn against him, you're delusional. :(

[Cobalt-60]

204. Many formations have been compromised

by religious fifth columnists and their influence, it's true.
You have to look only as far as Colorado Springs to see it the Air Force academy.
But I think its pretty likely our military won't tolerate the deployment of a modern day SA or SS either.
In the absence of that the problem with staffing your military from the lower economic castes is that they take exception to firing on tier own citizens. Most of the actual trigger men and women just won;t do it.

[nadinbrzezinski]

149. Actually a training army is being trained

in Virgiaia, we call it Blackwater

:-)

So don't laugh the paralels to the fall of Rome in some cases and others to the rise of the Condotieri are astoundng

Then there is Watergate

:evilgrin:

[Beausoleil]

72. In those years, Bushco used election shenanigans to retain office

and could still maintain the look of legitimacy. In '08, they can't run, so stealing elections won't work. They can't get a constitutional amendment in time so their only option for retaining power is to demolish the democratic process altogether. With these folks, it's all about the power. How else are they going to keep it? Do you think they are going to voluntarily give it up? Many here don't think so.

[moodforaday]

178. Honestly, if Hillary wins

it's going to be as good for the Bushes as if they had never left the office. Bill and GHWB have been the best of pals for how long now?

[ronnykmarshall]

95. There will elections.

There is no way to stop the mighty Hillary ! She is going to take over the nation! It's all part of The Plan!

Just stand back and watch the heads explode all over the place.

The Plan can NOT be stopped!

You must bow to The Plan!

All HAIL!

The PLAN!

:hide:

[AlCzervik]

6. and i'll offer my standard bet--if you're correct then

i'll eat a Moonie owned Washington Times starting with "Fat" Tony Blankleys Editorial page, if i'm right then you don't have to do anything.

[NoPasaran]

7. Of course

Just like they cancelled the elections in 2004 and 2006.
:sarcasm:

[Balbus]

9. "I have been saying this for years now ..."

Well, if you've been saying it for longer than 3 years, it's no wonder you're catching shit for it - because you were wrong. And guess what... you'll be wrong again.

[Iwasthere]

14. I was NOT talking about 2002, 2004, OR 2006

That is obvious!

[Balbus]

33. Ah, so you're talking about 2001, 2003, 2005 & 2007.

Then, yes, I agree with you. There will be no presidential elections those years. And I'll even go out on a limb and say there won't be one in 2009 either - but, hey, I'm crazy like that. I'm not afraid to throw those bold predictions out there and see what sticks.

[Raskolnik]

10. You make a persuasive case.

Wait...no you don't.

[nini]

129. *snort*

:thumbsup:

[Jim Warren]

11. Possible, yes

Plausible as well.
It would be the last act in the tragic farce that began 12/12/00.
We shall see.

[William769]

12. And people wonder why some people call Liberals crazy.

Just keep giving them ammo. :eyes:

[Madspirit]

65. I don't really care

I think the OP is paranoid and not accurate. However, I really really don't give a fuck what Republicans think of us. Not even a little fuck. They have their own paranoids.
Lee

[William769]

68. It isn't only the Republicans that think that way.

[Catherine Vincent]

103. I remember the freepers thought the same thing of Clinton.

They thought he would cancel the election and declare martial law to keep him in the White House.

[lander]

130. How dare you.

Go ahead and define "liberal," won't you?

Remember when the liberals accused * of election fraud, and people said we were crazy?
Do you recall how liberals assailed * for having foreknowledge of 9/11, and people said we were nuts?
Has it occurred to you that liberals called * out for politicizing Justice, and people said we were making mountains of molehills?

If you think this country doesn't need liberals, you're the one drinking Kool-Aid.

[William769]

137. How dare you.

Where did I say we don't need Liberals?

I was addressing what the OP said.

[ghostsofgiants]

154. DU debate tip...

When your opponent has nothing besides their own batshit insanity to work with, they tend to stray off topic. Be prepared for this.

[Midlodemocrat]

193. .

:thumbsup: :rofl:

[zbdent]

13. Like you, I've been making that claim for some time, too.

We're just one "7/7" away from being under dictatorship ...

I have been saying that the terrorist attacks on 9/11/2001 would never have occurred under Gore because Osama bin Laden would have been chuckling over the CNN coverage of Bush and his NRA/Religious Reich-initiated civil war "heroically" and "patriotically" trying to wrest the White House from "illegally installed Gore" had Sandy voted with the legal system, not with her intent to "retire under a Republican President" ...

[GreenPartyVoter]

15. My dad agrees. n/t

.

[BuyingThyme]

16. What's the difference between no presidential election and

a rigged presidential election?

And why not stay with what works?

[Lex]

18. Exactly right. If you can rig them, why not have them?

It makes no sense to cancel them if you can rig them.

[meldroc]

19. I'm inclined to agree with this.

The OP's right in that there will be no Presidential election. Let me correct that - there will be no fair Presidential election. Rove's already hard at work putting the fix in place so Bush's annointed successor can take the reins as official puppet President of the United States.

[Jim Warren]

32. The differnce might be

the BFEE not relinquishing control.

[BuyingThyme]

43. Yes, but they don't need a Bush as figurehead in order to

keep control.

[SammyWinstonJack]

48. As long as the majority believe the rigged elections are for "real" , that is.

Why cancel when stealing works? :shrug:

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

17. US$ 500 says there will be. Wanna bet?

We choose a trusted third party to keep the money until then. Are you on?

[Iwasthere]

21. And if I won it wouldn't matter now would it...

The end .

Wake up everybody. There is a fucking madman in the house!!!

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

22. Is that a yes or a no? I wanna win my easy money, dammit! -nt

[Iwasthere]

29. You're fixated on money when the poor are dying right and left...

Our country and, quite literally, the planet's being destroyed! Like I said, if I won it would mean a BIG no win for me (the end of everything). Kind of a one sided bet wouldn't you say? We have to win NOW. NOT a year and a half from now imo.

[MonkeyFunk]

30. LOL

he's fixated on money? No, he's trying to get the alarmist paranoids to put their money where their mouth is. I think it's an admirable pursuit.

[ronnykmarshall]

112. I've never trusted that Commie Pinko.

Something smells fishy. Oh wait, that's m' trout sandwich.

[skipos]

116. Exactly. I'll bet $500 that this election will happen. WInnings go go to charity.

This reminds me of all the posts predicting that Dems wouldn't win the house or the senate.

[ghostsofgiants]

152. Well if you're right you're fucked anyway, so why not have the extra $500?

[ronnykmarshall]

110. I'll hold your money kids.

I'll open an account @ ING and earn some nice interest while we're at it.

[lander]

132. The money might be better spent...

...donating to the campaign of your choice -- although it'd be ironic if there were no election.

[name not needed]

153. Or it could be used towards

putting Patmccccc through rehab.

[moodforaday]

180. I have a better idea:

Choose a trusted third party to count the votes.

[Chemical Bill]

23. There were none (that counted) in 2000 and 2004. n/t

[Virginia Dare]

24. If you're going to pull a coup, you've got to have the military on your side..

it's looking now like they don't. How are they going to pull it off? Besides, all these people out there who are donating millions of dollars to the presidential candidates, what are they going to do, just stand by and let it happen?

[Jim Warren]

28. perhaps another "event"

[Virginia Dare]

34. No, I don't see Bush's credibility spiking after a

terrorist attack here in the U.S., if anything I see that as a final nail in his coffin. Too many people are onto the game. They screwed up big time by going into Iraq, they made all of our problems worse. The vast majority of the people see that now.

[Jim Warren]

40. Of course I hope you're right

I don't have the same faith in the sheeple reaction to another event though. I think we'd see another wave of flags on car antennas.
Recent moves by the WH scare me as I note the date on the byline.
http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/asection/la-na-attack10may10,1,2436652.story?coll=la-news-a_section&ctrack=1&cset=true

[Virginia Dare]

46. I don't disagree with you that they are definitely making a move..

but like in all other things they've done, I think they are severely miscalculating, and outright delusional. They're blinded by power, and that will be what brings them down. Nixon couldn't do it, and this bunch surely can't either.

[Turbineguy]

44. They screwed up big time

not preventing the 9/11 Attack. They could have spun casualty estimates to about 80,000 dead and nobody could have argued. The terrorists would have readily confessed (Israeli Intelligence following them and all). Bush could have still gone into Afghanistan and attacked Iraq on the same false premises.

[Telly Savalas]

135. You mean like the "event" that happened right before the 2006 election

which enabled Republicans to retain control of Congress?

[Jim Warren]

138. Not like 2006

Because of it.

[Telly Savalas]

139. Why'd they let 2006 happen then?

Polls were predicting it for months.

[Jim Warren]

140. I don't remember the polls being conclusive

There were MANY surprises that night and good surprises I'll add, but there was plenty of hand wringing going on even here on DU, and it was close. The Senate is still basically a toss-up.

I think they were caught off guard, remember rove talking about having "the math".
Maybe typical rovian psyops, but I think they were blown away with the results.

Look, I'm not looking to argue, actually I want to be wrong about this, but I have a deep distrust and loathing for this gang and would put nothing past them.

[meldroc]

39. Replace the .mil with Blackwater?

There's an evil plan for you... Send the military to an unwinnable war, make sure they do not have the manpower, equipment or support required to keep themselves together, and watch it slowly go down the tubes.

Meanwhile, bring in the mercs! Expand their training facilities, throw them billions in no-bid contracts, get them blooded in Iraq and experienced in armed combat, and make sure nobody really knows what they're doing - all is under a veil of secrecy.

The one drawback is that in order to forcibly pacify the U.S. if martial law is declared, you need about one soldier for every forty members of the population (note that the .mil doesn't have that 1-40 ration in Iraq, which is why they're playing an unwinnable game of Whack-a-mole.) For the U.S. population of about 300,000,000 people, you need an army of 7,500,000 troops. Even the U.S. military has less than one million service members. It would take a hell of a secret buildup to bring Blackwater and its ilk up to 7.5 million.

Blackwater, formidable as they may be, does not have 7.5 million mercenaries. All the mercenary companies working for the BFEE combined don't even come close to that number. The best guess I can find says that there are about 100,000 mercenaries in Iraq.

So I'm not that concerned yet. Methinks that the neo-fascists trying to destroy U.S. democracy aren't ready for martial law, and won't be for some time - they know that if they try a coup, they'll be wiped out. So the present strategy of pretending to be a democracy, complete with rigged elections, will have to do for now.

[Virginia Dare]

54. New Orleans certainly looked like a dress rehearsal didn't it?..n/t

[Matariki]

83. Precisely something I've been thinking about.

Hope this is just paranoia, because it *does* explain some big gaps in logic that aren't explained otherwise.

on edit - if you do some research on Erik Prince, the uber neo-con owner of Blackwater it starts to look REAL scary. http://www.nndb.com/people/926/000117575/

[Virginia Dare]

94. Mitt Romney has hired Cofer Black...

as his "homeland security consultant" very scary indeed.

[Matariki]

82. Blackwater? n/t

[Manifestor_of_Light]

142. That's right. That's what saved Chavez during the attempted coup.

Loyal bodyguards.

[Virginia Dare]

176. Yep, now chimp and darth have "Blackwater"...n/t

[cobalt1999]

26. If you really think that...

you need a nice long vacation. No DU, no politics, just a quiet beach or mountain...something, anything to get in touch with reality.

[nadinbrzezinski]

27. Yep the republic is dead anyways, so they just need to

put the final nail on that coffin

[Zywiec]

31. This is just a silly post.

"Their intentions are becoming quite obvious now" - What is becoming quite obvious? Apparently everyone is not as bright as you and needs some guidance.

[Iwasthere]

35. Try these

Bush orders contingency plans for attack on U.S.

\WASHINGTON — President Bush issued a formal national security directive Wednesday ordering agencies to prepare contingency plans for a surprise, "decapitating" attack on the federal government, and assigned responsibility for coordinating such plans to the White House.

http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/asection/la-na...


U.S. won’t allow governors to direct military

WASHINGTON - Defense Secretary Robert Gates has rejected a proposal to let governors command active duty troops responding to disasters, officials said Wednesday, though the Pentagon will grant National Guard leaders more authority to coordinate with other military and homeland security agencies.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18582104


Contingencies for nuclear terrorist attack


As concerns grow that terrorists might attack a major American city with a nuclear bomb, a high-level group of government and military officials has been quietly preparing an emergency survival program that would include the building of bomb shelters, steps to prevent panicked evacuations and the possible suspension of some civil liberties.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/05/11...

[MonkeyFunk]

42. we should have contingency plans

for such an event. How surprising he's doing something right for a change.

[Zywiec]

49. Yep, you're right, it's conclusive

We should definitely not be doing ANY contingency planning in case something happens in the US. And even though Governors have never had command authority over active duty Soldiers, this denial is a sure sign of SOMETHING BIG about to happen!

[JanusAscending]

146. Add this ...to that !!

It was reported the night that the news broke that the 11 Rep. Congressmen confronted * that * said he promised them that he was not going to leave the war to the next President !! Out of the other side of his mouth he's saying that the Generals on the ground think it will take a "couple more years" to stabilize Iraq. What does this tell ya??? I know my antenna went up , and my tinfoil hat started buzzing!!!:tinfoilhat: At this point in time, (especially with the big dick on the big ship (Stennis) spouting off about IRAN) I WOULD PUT NOTHING PAST THEM !!! I am so fed up with politics at this point, I could puke! :puke: I've learned to "never say never" the hard way! Haven't we all learned anything yet???????

[rinsd]

36. "I have been saying this for years now and catching shit for it"

For good reason, its paranoia.

[BlackHawk706867]

38. It's not paranoia, when you have slimy Dick making threats against..

Iran again, and Georgie boy setting up what-if plans for no Congress or Senate and the White House taking complete control...

ww

[Iwasthere]

45. Thank you!!!!

And welcome to DU

[rinsd]

55. LOL. dusting off contigency & continuity plans from the 50's?

Maybe you can use some of those leftover survival supplies for Y2K.

[WilliamPitt]

37. There will be 470 elections in 2008.

Not counting stste and local ones.

[Iwasthere]

41. But no presidential one

Unless our leaders grow some

just my opinion. They have to quit giving in!

[PVnRT]

50. Grow some what? Pot? Corn? Soybeans?

Inquiring minds want to know.

[appal_jack]

187. Hemp

Hemp. They need to grow some hemp. Preferably the kind with the stickiest of flowers. Then things will improve.

-app

:smoke:

[Virginia Dare]

53. I don't think they'll just give in to a coup...

big difference than what's happening now.

The only way I see this happening is if there's an actual attack on the Capitol. Then we're in deep shit. I wouldn't put it past them though, seeing as how they fired a warning shot once with the anthrax.

[paulk]

47. sure...

your post is another reason why, out in the real world, no one takes DU or the "netroots" seriously....

[Iwasthere]

52. You say "no one"?

Half the posts in here are with me

[Zywiec]

56. He said no one in the real world

[rinsd]

57. Half? You do enjoy a good tall tale don't you?

[BlackHawk706867]

59. As I see it some here are as Delusional as the leaders in DC, and need to wake up to what's...

is happening, and maybe about to happen... These idots are once again firing shots across everyone's bows these days.. I would not at all be surprised to see; a. An attack on Iran. b. An attack on a major city ie: DC and who knows what else they might do in order to steal full control of power?

ww

[Madspirit]

51. Oh Please

Evidently you guys are too young to remember Nixon or Reagan or any of the other Right Wing megalomaniac war-mongers this country has elected. ...AND this would have to assume that every single Republican out there is totally Evil and would support this. ...and all OUR politicians are too naive to see what's going on even though they schmooze with these people every day. ...and that the entire overextended military, would back them.

Paranoia...there are meds for this.
Lee

[AzDar]

58. I am MUCH more worried that they will steal another election..how does

President Romney sound?
:puke:

[Virginia Dare]

60. That's my nightmare too...it's definitely shaping up that way..n/t

[conspirator]

61. Elections Smections: voting Dem or Rep doesnt have any effect on most peoples lives.

Its not about left or right, its about up and down, and those up there defend the interests of the rich first.

[RestoreGore]

62. The powerbrokers pick the candidate anyway

The PEOPLE haven't had a real presidential election in years. And I don't think they will make it that obvious by not leaving. They will simply install someone like them to continue their policies. They have subtlely taken our Democracy and rights from us and there is no outrage. I don't then think they will change strategy. They will simply pick the Chariperson of the Military/Industrial complex and hold some fake election with smoke and mirrors to continue the illusion. And as far as declaring martial law, that was done the day Bush signed the Military Commissions Act and this Congress allowed him to. We don't have a representative government anymore, which is why all of this bickering over the presidential election and the money spent and the sound bites and the rhetoric to me is all one big waste of time and just part of the illusion.

[Madspirit]

63. Really?

...because I distinctly remember voting for Clinton twice and he won twice. I distinctly remember voting for Carter. Sometimes we win; sometimes we lose. It's pathology to claim we don't REALLY have elections on the occasions when we lose. I'm not denying they stole the election but that was pretty in-our-faces and not any kind of clandestine subterfuge or mystery. It's was chads and SCOTUS and having a brother as governor of a contested state. No mystery really.

I have never heard of a coup in a country of 300 million folks. How exactly would that work? ...and if you think talking about elections and politics, etc. is pissing in the wind, why exactly are you here, rather than stocking up on firearms and dried beans?
Lee

[nadinbrzezinski]

64. A coup in a country of 300 people easy

the elections of 2000

If you do not think there was something really fishy with them, you have NOT been paying attention

But when historians decide to finally look at it, the word coup may pass their lips.

It makes us rather uncomfortable to think that it could happen here, but you know what, IT HAS.

[Madspirit]

66. Another person who only reads partial posts

I said the elections were stolen. I guess you didn't read that far. Still, you guys need to go look at a country that has actually had a coup. It doesn't look one bit like this country full of spoiled rotten materialistic people, with Hummers and IPods and etc. THIS is not what a coup looks like. Coups look like piles and piles of dead people, burning buildings, ordinary folks disappearing in the night, etc.

A couple of crooked elections do not a coup make.
Lee

[nadinbrzezinski]

69. Hmm I will tell you this

since you really don't get it

Coups look many ways

What you are describing are MILITARY COUPS

They are not the only type of coup

Political Science is a great field of study as well as History...

The rise of the tyrants in ancient Athens did not involve the army either, or for that matter the rise of the Third Reich

But I stand by what I wrote

2000 was a coup, the rise of a tyranny... just not a MILITARY COUP

[Virginia Dare]

74. I think the military must always be complicit in a coup though..

whether it's violent or not. There are signs that the military is finally bailing. They can see quite clearly now that they are being destroyed by their own machine. Many of them seem to be deciding the money isn't worth it to watch their own die for no reason other than pure greed. The next year or so should be very telling.

Same with the CIA, many of them seem to have had enough.

[RestoreGore]

78. Not when it's judicial in nature

As was 2000 which by all accounts was a success, which means we have failed as a Democracy and as a vigilant people who care about this government. And that is very sad.

[nadinbrzezinski]

81. No you can have a judicial coup

200o is a textbook example

They did not use tanks, but the USSC did not have a right to rule in that case, they did

Al Gore told you already that after the USSC ruled they had one other choice, and they were not willing to take the country there

It is just that most people THINK a coup requires the military since our press cals a coup only when it involves armed force

Here is the definition

coup d'é·tat (kū' dā-tä') pronunciation
n., pl. coups d'état (kū') or coup d'états (dā-täz').

The sudden overthrow of a government by a usually small group of persons in or previously in positions of authority.



Now think of the USSC decision of 2000 in this context

Yes, usually they involve violence

and yes, they usually involve an armed force

But 2000 fits the definiom

[Virginia Dare]

91. Agreed, bloodless coup...

the military didn't get involved because Mr. Gore didn't take that next step. Sometimes I think he should have.

I think they will get involved the next time though, if there is one.

[nadinbrzezinski]

93. Will see if they will

for the moment we need to live in the present reality and how to extract ourselves from it, without a civil war

or I should clarify

A HOT civil war

[MonkeyFunk]

122. How on earth

was Gore supposed to get the military involved?

That's the most absurd statement I've seen in a very long time.

[nadinbrzezinski]

148. that is why it was a bloodless coup

because there were no military or police forces involved

As to the military getting involved... it may happen, but not in 2000

there is no way in hell the US Military woudd have taken sides back then

[MonkeyFunk]

160. No

the person to whom I replied faulted Gore for not getting the military involved.

I'm asking by what possible authority COULD he have gotten the military involved? And involved how? Arresting the Supreme Court? Arresting Bush?

The very idea is not only nonsensical, it's downright scary.

[nadinbrzezinski]

161. I know but knowuing a little of what

some folks have writen at the War College, yep it is possible... but not due to Gore... read this one

http://www.dtic.mil/doctrine/jel/research_pubs/p087.pdf

Oh and Lt. Col Dunlap these days goes by the tittle of General Dunlap... not sure if Brigadier or Major General

[MonkeyFunk]

175. I'm not reading a 44 page PDF

to try to figure out your point.

How was Gore supposed to get the military involved? The military never reported to Gore.

And if he DID somehow get them involved, what were they supposed to do?

And you are REALLY advocating that a military solution would be preferable to the legal outcome?

[nadinbrzezinski]

177. You missed the point

this was not about Gore, but how a MILITARY OFFICER who is active duty, wrote a paper on a possible coup in the US and the raesons for it


That is the point, the PDF is worth readying for that reason alone... a senior grade officer, who now is a general officer thought about it and WROTE ABVOUT It

How many others are thinking about it?

Oh and I also said but NOT due to Gore

A coup is possible, as in a miltairy coup, that IS the bloody point

[MonkeyFunk]

186. No

because someone can imagine a scenario and writes about it doesn't make it likely.

But you're getting off topic. I'm trying to figure out what Virginia Dare expected Gore to do with a military over which he had no control, AND why a military solution would be preferable a legal one.

[moodforaday]

183. I think you misunderstood

Virginia Dare. It seems the point was not that Gore would command the army, but that the military might have become involved had Gore insisted the election was his beyond some point. Is this even plausible? Perhaps not, but at least the point seems not to have been what you imply it was.

[windbreeze]

195. Thank YOU!!

what do people think all the exe orders and signing statements are for?? More signing statements by this pres.than all previous presidents combined....how about the Patriot Act and the Military Commissions Act...imo it's all planned...how about *'s wanting/attempting to take over the National Guard since he's been in office...anyone paying attention to what's going on in that regard??? We realize that the NG is our last hope of protection for each state, against enemies foreign/domestic, right?...notice how individual state's NG are being ordered to leave all their equipment in Iraq?...how about the NG being sent to Iraq in the first place, while there is reg. military sitting at home, who could go....wasn't something passed just this week, that said * takes control of the NG in case of a disaster???....

There may be those who trust this bunch, and can pooh pooh other people's concern...but I don't ever recall the kinds of things happening in our country, that have been happening for the last 6-7 years....and if they have, then I guess I must have been sleeping up to this point...
wb

[RestoreGore]

73. Yes, really

And why I'm here isn't the point. And you never heard of a coup in a country of 300 million "folks?" Then what was 2000? What was the murder of JFK? You can continue to play along if you like. Some of us however, see the big picture. And I didn't state that discussing politics in and of itself was "pissing in the wind." I stated that the presidential campaigning process in this country was bogus due to the fact that it is rigged.

[Madspirit]

85. Well

I think you need to seek help. I am fairly sure I voted for Clinton and he won. Paranoia...there is help...drugs, therapy...
Lee

[nadinbrzezinski]

86. Mike Malloy and Randi Rhodes also need help

by your definition too

They both saw ahem a problem in 2000

How about Tom Hartmman

I could go on

Yes you voted for Clinton... but 2000 was far from a normal election

Anybody honest recognizes this

As to them WILLINGLY leaving power... more and more people are comming to the realization that perhaps they will try NOT to

I guess Mike Malloy, who asked me the quesiton. DO YOU HONESTLY THNK THEY WANT TO LEAVE POWER... is also paranoid huh?

[RestoreGore]

87. Typical response when you haven't the ability to carry on a conversation

Really juvenile too. Please make sure you buy The Assault On Reason by Al Gore when it comes out this month so you can write to him and tell him he needs help too, since he then wrote it for you.

[nadinbrzezinski]

90. ooops sorry

looked the database got me again

;-)

[RestoreGore]

92. No problem ;-)

[Madspirit]

97. I actually

I actually showed these posts to a psychiatrist friend...J. Forgason, Austin...who was over for lunch. She suggested some anti-psychotics, after she got up from ROFL.
Lee

[Name removed]

113. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Madspirit]

115. Wow...so clever and bright I need shades...n/t

[nadinbrzezinski]

147. The mods might have removed the comment

but what Senator Frist did on the floor of the senate is exactly what you are doing

Go ahead, report me again

:-)

But most medical organizations actually consider it against their code of ethics to do long distant diagnosis, which is EXACTLY what you (and your friend) are doing

And why Senator Frist got in trouble with the state Ethics board...

Go ahead, report me, seems you cannot discuss anything and will accuse anybody of paranoia or delusions for pointing out that the 2000 elections WERE a coup... and that some folks, some very well connected, have shared their doubts that there will be elections, or that these guys will leave peacefully

There are many ways of skinning a cat... there might be "elections" the question is will they be clean or set a chain of succession like those of oh Ancient Athens that lived through a series of Tyrants.

Santayana, another paranoid freak, put it best

Those who refuse to learn from history, are condemned to repeat it

So once again, is that you Senator Frist? You are engaging in the same behavior.

[moodforaday]

182. False logic

You voted for Clinton, but you did not pick Clinton to be the candidate.

This is not directed at your personally - any election-related thread is full of posters who swear they will vote for any Dem candidate, whoever eventually runs, even if they are not personally happy with the candidate's record. And that's how it works. Check out the abuse dished out at those who, for example, say they won't vote for Hillary because (whatever). Indeed, such people are served with DU rules prohibiting posters from speaking out against the anointed candidate.

[slackmaster]

67. WADR I think this is in the wrong forum

:tinfoilhat:

[Colobo]

70. There will be a presidential election and we will win it

Conspiracy theories won't take us anywhere...

[RestoreGore]

80. And who will count the votes this time?

DIEBOLD, ES&S, or some other corporation that promises to do it right this time?

[BlooInBloo]

71. End days!!! END DAAAAAYYYYSSS!!!!!!!

[Jeroen]

75. Bush,Clinton,Bush,Clinton

Who needs elections anyway?

[moodforaday]

184. Heh, try this

[Mme. Defarge]

77. Of course there will be an 08 election if

both parties can be bought and controlled.

[Odin2005]

79. Send this POS thread to the dungeon.

[Marr]

84. I really think dismissing this notion out of hand is irresponsible.

We've watched a steady erosion of civil rights and basic lawfulness of our government for the last six years. These people have suspended Habeas Corpus, for crying out loud. That is not a small thing.

Sometimes I think people have become numbed. We've been sitting in a pot that's slowly been brought to near boiling, but people are trying to convince themselves it's just a little warm.

I don't put this sort of thing past the Bush Administration for one minute. They've demonstrated an outright hostility towards both the public and the democratic process, and they're about to lose power. And now we've got Bush saying essentially, 'oh- and if everybody in Congress... you know, the people invesitigating me, happen to all die at once... I'm dictator". Noting the suspsicious nature of that announcement is not paranoia. And I think we've all seen pretty clearly in recent years that it CAN, in fact "happen here".

[cherokeeprogressive]

96. In the spring of 04 there was a full-page ad in the LA Times stating that

there would be NO elections, and that Martial Law would be declared. The doctor who was the supposed sponsor of the ad made all kinds of wild claims.

It was funny then, and it's funny now.

[Madspirit]

100. Funny

In a really sick, sad kind of way. I know it makes me ashamed when I read these freaked out people. Jeez, I lived through Nixon and hey...no coup...and Ronnie...hey...no coup...and GB Sr. ...and hey, no coup...

Absurd and ill.
Lee

[cherokeeprogressive]

108. You Nailed It. n/t

[onenote]

104. More irresponsible than stating unequivocally that there won't be an election?

Don't think so.

[Madspirit]

107. As BiB said..."END OF DAYS...AHHHH...ACK...n/t

[Sequoia]

88. "Heh, heh...it would a lot easier if I were dicator, heh, heh...as

long as I was in charge, heh, heh."

[Madspirit]

89. Put Your Money Where Your Mouth Is!!

I bet...there will be an election in 2008 and there will be a Democratic president. I want in on the betting. I put one grand on it. Whoohoohoo

Lee *who doesn't feel quite right betting with the paranoid*

[BlooInBloo]

101. Put me down for another $1k...

... BlooInBloo who has no problem whatsoever separating a melodramatic fool from his/her money.


EDIT: Further specified the type of hypothetical fool I'm talking about.

[Madspirit]

105. We need someone to keep track

...and I have no problem taking their bucks either.
Lee

[lonestarnot]

168. mmmmmmmmmm... internets and tubes don't allow gambling anymore,

[deutsey]

98. These people play for keeps and will do anything to maintain power

I'm hoping they're going to slip up and have a monumental fall, but I'm very concerned about what they plan to do to hold on to power.

[MonkeyFunk]

123. Really?

Then how did Poppylose in '92?

How did republicans lose both houses of Congress last year?

[deutsey]

125. First of all, I'm talking about Rove and Idiot son, not about "Poppylose"

Second of all, I think, as the AG inquiry is showing, Rove et al., did indeed try to stack the deck in their favor but they blew it (and they were under more intense scrutiny this time than the previous two elections coupled with an undeniable surge in popular disaffection with their policies).

Third of all, I did not come right out and say "Gosh, these omnipotent demons in human flesh are in complete and total control of the cosmos as we know it."

I implied, basically, that I don't put anything past these assholes. Look what they did in Florida in 2000 to grab power (tens of thousands of disenfranchised voters, the SC intervening for them, etc.), look how they cooked the evidence about Iraq. Look how they've made lots of progress in weakening our basic rights and rolling back about a century of social progress in this country.

Look how they're still in control (albeit not as tightly as they were before). Odd things happen that seem to benefit them just at the right time, is all I'm saying.

Is it intentional...happenstance? Who the fuck knows outside the Bush inner circle. But even the most casual of observers can see that it's been a stacked deck in their favor since 2000 and if you (and other Democrats) can't see that, well, imo, that's part of the reason why they've gotten away with as much as they have for as long as they have.

[murloc]

99. Bummer. I was looking forward to it

Honestly if things are REALLY THAT BAD, then there is no hope and its time to pack our bags. No sense chit-chatting on the Titanic, we need to get on a lifeboat.

But I'm not buying it.

If things were that bad, the 2006 takeover of the Senate and House would not have happened.

There is still hope.

[Madspirit]

102. You don't get it then...

Some of these paranoids are claiming we've already had a judicial coup. Now usually, in a coup, people are not allowed to travel freely or leave...and yet, I was just in Mexico a couple of weeks ago partying hardy and gee, airplanes traveling overhead, going hither and yon. This is just the funnest coup I've ever heard of...what with all the freedom and all.
Lee

[nadinbrzezinski]

174. You might want to pick up the following tittle

they thought they were free

And read it

Then perhaps you might get it

No use in trying to explain this to you

By the way... how did the checkups coming back at the airport strike you? Those are required by OUR people... and are mommy devices designed to keep YOU scared.

Yep I was down there recdently too... and the fear inducing mechanisms flying down and coming back were amusing.

But once again you think you are free... you have soemthing in common with the folks that the book "they thought they were free" was written about... pick it up

Here is a link

http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/511928.html

[dogday]

106. When Bush has not backed down once and has

given this entire country the finger... I believe anything is possible... Who will stop him?

[DemGa]

109. Total fascism ends in disaster

and kills off the "host."

Neocons know this; it's better to back off a bit and re-infiltrate at a later time. In effect, just wait it out.

That's why we need more than just even a Dem President and Congress. We need a people powered movement to destroy completely the rabid- right.

My thoughts anyway.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

111. Thanks For Embarrassing Our Community. Much Appreciated.

:eyes:

[Madspirit]

114. I Wish

I wish they relegated the Paranoia posts to the dungeon...or the Mental Health section...
Lee

[tammywammy]

131. Well, there is the 9/11 dungeon

lots of fun conspiracies in there.

[RL3AO]

117. So Bush will be the first POTUS **smart** enough to find a way to make himself empire?

[lutefisk]

198. Obviously Junior isn't the "mastermind" behind any of this crap

As we have all witnessed, he is barely smart enough to keep himself upright and his face free of scrapes and bruises.

There are plenty of ruthless, smart enough, and basically treasonous people behind the scenes working on the empire thing.

[baldguy]

118. The last real Presidential election we had was 1996.

The last two were just billion dollar game shows going through the motions, hoping nobody noticed that the American people really weren't deciding anything. Bush's coronation was inevitable; the media elites & the corporate oligarchy made sure of that.

[LSK]

121. you mean like the 2006 election was canceled? or the 2004 election??

:shrug:

[Virginia Dare]

133. There was an election during the Civil War for pete's sake..

it would take something pretty drastic to justify cancelling an election for sure.

[tammywammy]

136. Well, it'll be canceled

Right after we invade Iran, reinstate the draft, declare martial law and round up all dems and put them in the camps.

[CJCRANE]

172. They didn't get their sums right in '06

because they didn't see the Foley scandal coming.

But even then, the "thumpin" Shrub took didn't make much difference.

Instead of reducing troop levels as the Dems and paleocons wanted he sent sent EVEN MORE.

[Kelly Rupert]

124. You weren't by any chance

Pat McCrotch on Fark.com, were you?

[maveric]

126. I've had this feeling for the past 3 years or so.

I cant see "them" relinquishing the power or the money that they have now.
I suspect a 911 type event and martial law.

[Rainscents]

134. Yep... I'd been saying this too!

[fortyfeetunder]

141. No surprise here.

I would not be in the least bit surprised should this happen.

[madeline_con]

144. Let me guess ....

There's a MAJOR "terror attack."

Elections are impossible, so the war mongoring buttwipes who now occupy 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. simply MUST stay in office, in the interest of "National Security".

:puke:

[Kelly Rupert]

145. Just like there was in 2004, right?

Or maybe 2006?

[madeline_con]

199. When the people get wise to vote tampering....

a new tactic has to be used.

[name not needed]

150. Lay off the meth.

[illinoisprogressive]

155. I am worried. More about Cheney and his intentions.

[bobbie]

156. They ain't givin' up power willingly

There will either be a fake opponent like John Kerry was, that will throw the election and refuse to fight, as he did, or they won't even bother to pretend this time.

[Kelly Rupert]

191. LIke they did in January 2007?

[RestoreGore]

201. What power did they give up in January 2007?

Was the Patriot Act repealed? The Real Id Act? The Military Commissions Act? Do they not still control their "war" and the mechanisms keeping it going? Are they not getting their funding? Is our voting all of a sudden clean? Are Democrats impeaching them? They gave UP NOTHING in January which is what makes all of this so damned frustrating.

[mikelgb]

157. thats why we have to impeach cheney

[lonestarnot]

169. Ugh no, we impeach him for things he has already done, like help lie us into war.

[bobthedrummer]

158. Sinclair Lewis's "It Can't Happen Here" was first published in 1936, and republished in 1970

What we have today is much worse than Lewis's President Windrip.

A culture of death was installed, not elected, to the highest office of The United States of America in 2000.

You can take that to your nearest privatized central bank.

[JackDragna]

159. There will be an election, for one simple reason.

The entrenched, conservative political powers, who have vast economic resources, control of the media and a platform of easy issues to run on, don't really care if George W. Bush is president. Someone else who is equally a pawn, a mouthpiece, will do just as well. Everyone worries about this sort of jackbooted police state developing, and we may see some of that, as with the Patriot Act. In reality, however, all the right needs is a distracted populace, one easily swayed by fallacious arguments, too busy with their lives to pay attention to the ruination of their country.

[earth mom]

164. Glad you had the guts to post a thread like this-I agree with you.

Now that * & Co knows that Congress doesn't have the guts to Impeach the evil little "Decider" and his buddies, they know FOR SURE that NO ONE is gonna stop them whatever they do next!

We are SO screwed. :scared:

[Matsubara]

165. Of course there will be.

It may be a complete and utter fraud and farce, but it will happen.

The illusion of democracy has been key to maintaining oligarchic rule over this country since its inception. They're not about to give up on a good scam now.

[populistdriven]

167. There is no Court System they can't fix

They place Loyalty to each other before the American People

These Neocons need to be excommunicated, stripped of citizenship, have their bank accounts siezed and nationalized, have their properties taken by the feds and sold at auction. Give all the proceeds to whomever, I don't care, even to the RNC if it gets the job done.

FUCK TRIALS - COURTS - JAILS

Just remove them from our country as quickly as possible please dump them off in China / India / Brazil

The only thing Neocons respect / understand as punishment is being treated worse than they treat others.

[CJCRANE]

170. They might have achieved their "decapitation"

of the Legislature back on 9/11/01 if United 93 had reached its target.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

171. There's going to be a terrorist attack before the 2006 elections!

It's teh troof!!!1!!1!!

[terrya]

173. Yes, there will be elections in 2008.

And Bush/Cheney will leave office the next year. We have a new Democratic President and government.

Nothing to worry about.

[otherlander]

179. Yes, there will be.

[yasmina27]

181. Oh come on!

That's what the repukes said about Clinton in 2000.

OTOH - they may stage an election, with the outcome "predetermined".

[blues90]

188. Could happen

It's possible . They seem to be holding onto their power and bush has mentioned a dictatorship a few times .

Even if there are elections who's to say we will win and the fix will not be in .

All it will take in an attack on Iran to seal the deal and this is not far fetched , it is quite possible .

At this point this country is in ruins and it will take more than what we have to breath life back into it or to turn it around before it hits a brick wall .

I look back on 9/11 and then Katrina and the damage is still there with nothing done even by our new dem majority .

On top of all of this madness and insanity , bush has lowered the bar so very low that almost anyone running looks good or a better choice .

All the control and the money is in the hands of the criminals now .

[Morgana LaFey]

189. All I can say is

I fear you're right.

As far as I can see, everything they've done -- from suspending habeus corpus to eviscerating posse comitatus, to a hundred other things -- certainly would point in that direction. The most recent move of putting the shadow government under White House control AND asking all the agencies to come up with plans for a major attack on the government also points in that direction (at least for those of us in the LIHOP/MIHOP camps).

Whatever will we do if you're right?

[windbreeze]

190. I agree, and I too have been saying it for a long time...anyone

paying attention to what is/and has been going on, has to have come to that same conclusion...they just keep on, keeping on, and they plow their way through as though nothing can touch them...getting all their ducks in a row...
wb

[Midlodemocrat]

194. CALL CONGRESS!!!! RIGHT FUCKING NOW!!!!!

:eyes:

What a load of horseshit.

[porphyrian]

196. The revolution will not be televised.

Four out of five doctors are assholes.

[sproutster]

197. I've been saying this as well.

It's not so much about 2006 for me, although I am rather shocked it has gone "so well for them." No impeach, more NAFTA, Gonzo can thumb his nose and lie outright in court with NADA going on.

Gitmo running strong.

Habeas Corpus still suspended.

Seriously, what does it take? For one of them to shoot someone straight in the face? AND HAVE THEM APOLOGIZE FOR BEING HIT?!

No for me... Oh no! Those are incidental.

Bush has amassed such power into the WH that for them to keep their asses POST election -- They cannot allow a little thing like democracy to put the wrong person in that chair.

[HamdenRice]

200. Is everyone aware they seriously considered this in 2004?

A study was commissioned by the Congressional Research Service, "Executive Branch Power to Postpone Elections." You can read that report here:

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/RL32471.pdf

At the same time the administration set up a study group to consider under what conditions Bush could postpone or cancel the 2004 elections.

This was so seriously floated that the NY Times ran a lead article urging the Bush administration not to postpone or cancel the 2004 election.

So this is not a "crazy" idea at all.

I do, however, think that they peaked around 2004 and could not pull this off today.

[MonkeyFunk]

206. There are studies and contingency plans for

every possible occurrence.

I'm sure we have a plan to nuke Canada. It doesn't mean anybody's planning to do so.

This is pure hysteria.

[HamdenRice]

208. If you remember 2004, this was not a routine contingency plan

The administration was seriously floating the idea of cancelling or postponing the 2004 election. The story blew up before they had their planning in place. Major newspapers ran lead editorials denouncing the scheme. There was general media debate about whether the bush administration could or should postpone the elections in the event of a terrorist attack (which of course could be manufactured during the days of red, green and yellow alerts).

Giuliani had had a dry run in 2001, right after the 9/11 attacks, when he demanded that the constitution of the city of New York (the City Charter) be suspended and he be allowed to remain mayor indefinitely.

This is not hysteria. As I said, however, I do think that their opportunity to carry this out has passed and it is not likely to happen in 2008. But it came very close to happening in 2004.

[MonkeyFunk]

210. nonsense

nobody floated the idea of canceling the elections.

Having a contingency plan is NOT a plan to make the precipitating event happen.

It IS hysteria. We will have elections next year.

[HamdenRice]

211. I've presented evidece; I guess you have your gut feeling

Here in the reality based community, we argue about factual issues based on evidence. There are many, many news articles that reported that the bush administration was considering postponing or cancelling the 2004 election. The CRS report was part of the administration's preparations. Speculation reached its height around July 2004, but the mainstream and alternative media shouted down the idea:

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/07/12/1345237

Bush Administration Examines Ways To Postpone Election
The Justice Department and Department of Homeland Security have begun examining ways to postpone November's presidential election in the event of an attack near election day. This according to a report in Newsweek. Last week the Department of Homeland Security asked the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel to analyze what legal steps would be needed to permit the cancellation and rescheduling of the election. This came in response to a request from the chief of the newly created US Election Assistance Commission for Congress to pass emergency legislation to empower the Commission to cancel and reschedule elections. A spokesman for the Department of Homeland Security told Newsweek "We are reviewing the issue to determine what steps need to be taken to secure the election."

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/07/11/election.day.delay/

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2001978137_delayvote13.html

Now, where is your evidence that there was concern that the 2004 election would be cancelled is "nonsense"?

[seemslikeadream]

202. If United 93 had reached its target we would have been there already

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=156515&mesg_id=156599

If United 93 had reached its target and (hypothetically) knocked down the Capitol and wiped out Congress then martial law and a complete take-over would have been a shoe-in.

[Evergreen Emerald]

203. Bush may leave, to keep up appearances, but the ideals will be passed on

to the next neo-con. We have to fix the voting machines.

[RiDuvessa]

205. That is a really, really paranoid statement.

Even if, and that's a mighty big if, Bush tried to thwart the American public by cancelling the elections, there is no way the majority would stand for something like that. The Republicans know this. It would not be worth it to them because it would lead to the destruction of their party and destroy their power base. I just don't think the American public is that far gone.

[RL3AO]

207. Here you go Patmcccccc

[Bucky]

209. You remind me of the people trying to scare me about terrorists everywhere.

I won't live in fear--not of phantom terrorists, not of fuck up Republicans. They may be evil, they may harm people; but they are not omnipotent and they are not everywhere.

[Puglover]

212. Have another cocktail.

:eyes: