No effing police on Toronto's main street, Just witnessed masked assholes

[snagglepuss]

smash windows and loot on Yonge at College, right around the corner from Police headquarters. Its effing unbelievable to know one billion dollars was wasted on this summit and have to witness this crap. I called police and they said their not focusing efforts on poperty damage but to protect lives. What effing BS. This is not a riot of violent thugs. I saw no violence other than masked jerks smash and grab. I fucking despise Harper and this stinking waste of money but I don't condone assholes bent simply on destruction.

[Liberal_in_LA]

1. scary

[snagglepuss]

2. I wasn't scared. I was outraged. I was not scared becasue only a

few assholes were involved. I am outraged that the total absence of police on this part of toronto's main street.

[Liberal_in_LA]

3. I get it.

[Nostradammit]

5. Could it be the assholes are working for the police?

[snagglepuss]

9. Could be but that is beside the point that one billion dollars were spent on

security and for that one would hope that Toronto's downtown and it's main street would have ample security.

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[Jackpine Radical]

4. The script requires violence.

You are trying to make them deviate from the script. That will not be permitted.

[notadmblnd]

6. Masked assholes and no police in sight?

The masked assholes are probably the police attempting to incite the crowd.

They're probably dying to use their new equipment on the people.

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[Mudoria]

8. That's the standard meme when they start doing things like that

it's NOT them! It's the police in disguise!!

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[The Magistrate]

10. It Is, Sir, Not An Improbable Explanaition

Police agents do infiltrate groups, and work in precisely the manner the member above has suggested.

This has been demonstrated in court proceedings, and other venues. It was already considered an old trick in the late nineteenth century.

"The man who says he can get you the weapons is the police agent."

[11 Bravo]

16. Sir, while I will grant you that police infiltration has previously occurred ...

I find it disappointing that you would state that it is "not improbable" in the case presented on this thread. If you are in possession of non-classified information indicating that there is a better than 50/50 chance that most violent anti-government demonstrations have been instigated by police officers, please, share it with us. Otherwise, such a possibility would, by definition, be "improbable".

[The Magistrate]

19. If You Think About What You Have Said, Sir, It Will Likely Sound As Silly To You As To Me

You acknowledge police infiltration of this sort occurs, and then hang your dudgeon on the claim that stating something is not improbable is a claim the odds in its favor be better then even money. You have conceded the point of substance, and then make a very poor job of crawfishing away from having done so.

[11 Bravo]

24. Actually, sir, what I have done is to demonstrate that I am cognizant of the meaning ...

of the word "improbable". No more, no less.

[The Magistrate]

25. Not Really, Sir, But If You want To Think So, You Go Right Ahead....

You have acknowledged police do in fact do the sort of thing the member initially suggested, and that is the matter at hand.

[11 Bravo]

26. The matter at hand, Sir, that is, what we are currently disputing, had its genesis in post #6.

No one disputes that it has happened previously, but in this instance, the claim was made that it was "probably" the police who instigated the violence in question. You stated that it is "not improbable" to believe that to be the case. I disagreed with your use of the word "improbable". You, however, have chosen to ignore both the connotation and denotation of the term in question, and have hitched your wagon to the "Oh yeah, but they did it before, so it probably happened again" star. That is, of course, your choice, and I will respectfully remain both disappointed, and in total disagreement. I will now take my leave of this thread. I have no doubt that we will, as in the past, continue to find comity on future issues.
Good evening.

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[provis99]

21. the Toronto police have done this many times before.

It's not paranoia.

[JackRiddler]

22. All you are showing is a shameful ignorance, given the documented history of the last Ontario summit

when cop plants were caught on film inciting the rioting. Or the Genoa police film of Italian federal police harboring the rioters during the 2001 summit. This is what happens.

[notadmblnd]

23. Not paranoid, just realistic.

I heard a report that they have a sound device that they brought in special for crowd dispersal. I haven't Google-ed it. However, I've heard it talked a bout before. Can't remember if it hurts the ears or what?

[Taitertots]

13. They don't even need the agent provocateurs

Now, they just intentionally refuse to enforce the laws and wait for the inevitable results.

[Obamanaut]

14. This thread so far has been fascinating! When we read posts about

police violence on the populace, they are "jack booted thugs" or some other epithet.

When vandalism is occurring and the police are not present to stop it, they are the perpetrators in disguise, attempting to rile up the populace.

[tkmorris]

15. Well, they have done both, many times over

It doesn't seem all that unreasonable therefore to think they might be doing it again.

[ima_sinnic]

17. you really think there's a difference?

jack-booted thugs in both scenarios.

[Obamanaut]

20. I think it's a shame that so many people hate the police with such

intensity.

I have had dealings with the police several times over the years, and have never had 'issues' with them. When I needed them, they responded. When I was younger and did stupid stuff whilst my senses were addled due to adult beverages, they were not rude, hostile, or bullying, but rather they were quite professional in their behavior.