Need help identifying a corporate logo

[arcadian]

It's the infinity logo ∞ with what looks like three little sprouts coming up between the loops. I thought it was ADM or Monsanto, but I can only find their current logos. Anybody know to which company that belongs? I can't even find a proper picture of it.

[nemo137]

1. I know exactly the one you're talking about, but I looked for former ADM and Monsanto logos

and that wasn't it. I'm sure it'll hit me the next time I have to drive anywhere, though. Sorry.

[arcadian]

5. I'm pretty sure it has something to do with agriculture.

[nemo137]

9. Pioneer.

Seed company, Monsanto competitor.

[Contrary1]

13. Looks like you found it! n/t

[arcadian]

15. Yup, that's it.

DuPont ehh? So are they just as, or more evil than Monsanto?

[Cleita]

17. If it's part of DuPont chemicals, the outfit that

makes explosives, then they must be.

[arcadian]

19. Yeah, I saw it on a baseball cap at the farmers market today

One of the vendors was wearing it. It stuck out because all the growers are local small farms and most are pretty environmentally aware. Like I said, I thought it was Monsanto, but I knew it was some big agri-business outfit.

[Tesha]

23. Dupont also makes plenty of things that your life depends on.

Here are some DuPont products and trademarks:

Nylon
Kapton
Kevlar
Corian
X-ray film
Dacron
Delrin
Freon
Hollofil
Quallofil
Lycra
Mylar
Nomex
Teflon
Silverstone

http://dwb4.unl.edu/Chem/CHEM869E/CHEM869ELinks/www.dupont.com/corp/trademarks.html

Nowadays, they do a lot more than just make things that
blow shit up.

Tesha

[Cleita]

25. I can actually do without all of the above and did

do without it before it was available. Most of those miracle products produce toxic waste as well. Now that we have digital X-rays, why do we need film?

[Tesha]

26. When you have an aneurysm, be sure to tell the doctor you won't accept a Dacron(r) graft.

And make sure nothing you buy has Delrin bearings in its
mechanisms. And Nylon? It's used in many more places than
stockings; many types of electronic equipment is enclosed
in Nylon packaging. The tires on your car? Kevlar belts to
stabilize the treads. The fireman? Nomex safety gear.
The flexible circuit boards in all your electronics? Kapton.

But if you want to do without all that, feel free.

Tesha

[Cleita]

29. I think a lot of that is superfluous and we can have

less of that than more. I remember when things were packed in hay and cardboard. It worked just as well as all the styrofoam stuffings and wraps. I'm sure a lot of those things can be made of fewer chemical compounds that end up in a landfill or floating on the ocean.

[Tesha]

35. Dow Chemical (not DuPont) makes Styrofoam(R). (NT)

[Cleita]

37. My bad. It's still a bad product no matter who makes it. n/t

[Greyhound]

31. Your implication is that without them none of these products would exist,

and that simply isn't so. The world might well be a better place had DuPont never exited (the companies and the family, FWIW).

[Tesha]

39. Clearly, I disagree. And given the fact that you have no facts to support your opinion...

...I think I'm pretty safe in mine.

Tesha

[Greyhound]

40. One cannot prove a negative as I'm sure you are quite aware, but the notion that

this entity is itself responsible for development of these devices and substances, is ridiculous on it's face. Similar to the often advocated position that the Catholic Church of The Renaissance is responsible for the artistic masterpieces done for it by the genius of the time, the implication being that the genius itself owes its existence to its patron.

[nemo137]

20. Pioneer's wiki page doesn't mention any major evil

while that's about half of Monsanto's. And none of the controversies on DuPont's page are about their seed company, but that doesn't really provide the information you're looking for. Sorry.

[Hannah Bell]

32. Pioneer does exactly the same things monsanto does. GMOs, etc.

Pioneer Hi-Bred is the world's leading developer and supplier of advanced plant genetics to farmers worldwide...

2006 Announces GreenLeaf Genetics joint venture and licensing agreement with Syngenta to out-license select genetics and biotechnology traits
2005 Introduces Herculex® RW insect protection
2004 Acquires Verdia and gene shuffling technology
2004 Introduces Herculex® I insect protection
2003 Announces DuPont Bunge Biotech Alliance to drive growth of protein and functional ingredients businesses
2002 Enters into a joint venture to market seed corn in China
1999 Pioneer merges with DuPont
1997 Introduces its first biotech corn product and its first biotech soybean product
1996 Becomes the first company to start a corn genomics effort
1995 Enters into collaboration with Mycogen (now Dow AgroSciences LLC) to develop Herculex® insect protection
1991 Growth in sales leads to number 1 soybean seed market share in North America
1989 Organizes its first biotechnology team; begins canola seed operation


History note: pioneer founded by vice-president henry agard wallace:

Henry Agard Wallace (October 7, 1888 – November 18, 1965) was the 33rd Vice President of the United States (1941–1945), the Secretary of Agriculture (1933–1940), and the Secretary of Commerce (1945–1946). In the 1948 presidential election, Wallace was the nominee of the Progressive Party.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_A._Wallace

he was red-baited out of politics in the mccarthy era.

[nemo137]

33. I don't find GMOs to be inherently evil.

[Hannah Bell]

34. I made no such judgement in my post. I said Hi-Bred does exactly the same things Monsanto does.

[pinboy3niner]

24. DuPont has been reviled by many for Agent Orange and other evils

Here's one not-so-positive review:

The du Pont Company

By Richard Sanders, Editor, Press for Conversion!

In the 1930s, the du Pont and Morgan family empires dominated the American corporate elite and their representatives were central figures in organizing and funding the American Liberty League. The du Pont family was so complicit in this fascist organization that James Farley, FDR's postmaster general and one of his closest advisors, said the American Liberty League "ought to be called the American Cellophane League" because "first it's a Du Pont product and second, you can see right through it'" (Donald R. McCoy, Coming of Age). Gerard Colby, in his book DuPont Dynasty, outlines the family's pivotal role in creating and funding the League. (Click here for an excerpt.) The Dickstein-McCormack Committee learned that weapons and equipment for the fascist plotters’ Croix de feu-like superarmy “could be obtained from the Remington Arms Co., on credit through the Du Ponts.” Du Pont had acquired control of the arms company in 1932.
<snip>

Du Pont’s General Motors Co. funded a vigilante/terrorist organization to stop unionization in its Midwestern factories. Called the “Black Legion,” its members wore black robes decorated with a white skull and crossbones. Concealed behind their slitted hoods, this KKK-like network of white-supremacist thugs threw bombs into union halls, set fire to labor activists’ homes, tortured union organizers and killed at least 50 in Detroit alone. Many of their victims were Blacks lured North by tales of good auto-plant jobs. One of their victims, Rev. Earl Little, was murdered in 1931. His son, later called Malcolm X, was then six. An earlier memory, his first, was a night-time raid in 1929 when the Legion burnt down their house. ...
<snip>

Since WWII, du Pont has continued to be an instrument of U.S. government weapons production. Besides supplying plastics, rubber and textiles to military contractors, it invented various new forms of explosives and rocket propellants, manufactured numerous chemical weapons and was instrumental in building the world’s first plutonium production plant for the atomic bomb. It pumped out Agent Orange and Napalm, thus destroying millions of lives, livelihoods and whole ecosystems in Southeast Asia.
<snip>

http://coat.ncf.ca/our_magazine/links/53/dupont.html

[Tesha]

27. Too bad DuPont never made Agent Orange, huh?

http://www.dow.com/commitments/debates/agentorange/index.htm

> Companies supplying Agent Orange to the government included
> The Dow Chemical Company, Monsanto Company, Hercules Inc.,
> Diamond Shamrock Chemicals Company, Uniroyal Inc., Thompson
> Chemical and T-H Agriculture and Nutrition Company.

Dow was the big name associated with Agent Orange.

Tesha

[pinboy3niner]

30. That's correct--DuPont didn't itself, but it had close ties to Hercules

There's a lot of misinformation about DuPont and Agent Orange, with DuPont often mistakenly listed along with Dow as a top manufacturer. Thanks for pointing out, correctly, that DuPont didn't have a direct manufacturing role.

The indirect involvement of DuPont and the DuPont family is more complex:

Early History

The Hercules Powder Company was one of the several small explosives companies acquired by the Du Pont Company in the 1880s. By the beginning of the 20th century, Du Pont had absorbed so many of its competitors that it was producing two-thirds of the dynamite and gunpowder sold in the United States. In 1912, a federal court, citing the Sherman Anti-Trust Act, ordered Du Pont broken up. It was through this court-ordered action that the Hercules Powder Company was reborn, a manufacturer of explosives ostensibly separate from Du Pont.

The division of the Du Pont Company into Du Pont, Atlas Powder Company, and Hercules Powder Company was intended to foster competition in the explosives industry, but in reality the antitrust agreement allowed the connection between Hercules and the parent company to remain intact. The new company was staffed by executives who had been transplanted from the Du Pont headquarters across the street into the main offices of Hercules in Wilmington, Delaware. As Fortune magazine remarked in 1935, "The Hercules headquarters is in Wilmington and breathes heavily Dupontizied air." Not only did the Du Pont family retain a substantial financial interest in Hercules, but as late as 1970 the president of Hercules was related to the Du Pont family.
<snip>

Throughout the Vietnam War, Hercules continued to derive approximately 25 percent of its profits from rocket fuels, anti-personnel weapons, and specialty chemicals such as Agent Orange and napalm.

http://www.fundinguniverse.com/company-histories/Hercules-Inc-Company-History.html

[Hannah Bell]

38. dupont is a very interesting company, & one that it's not so easy to find in-depth information

about.

in researching genealogy, i found the dulles brothers ancestors were tied both to the dupont family & to the brown family (brown brothers) back to the 18th century. I learned this entirely from my own research putting biographical information from various sources together:

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Hannah%20Bell/102

WELSH

In 1819 Joseph H. Dulles married Margaret Welsh of Philadelphia, whose roots were in the Brandywine Valley of Pennsylvania and Delaware. Her father, John Welsh, is sometimes described as Delaware-born, sometimes as English-born.

What's certain is that he started his career with the shipping merchant Joseph Russell, then with financier Robert Ralston (b. 1761), of Philadelphia and Little Brandywine.

Coincidentally, Ralston was a founder of the Second Bank of the US (with financier Stephen Girard and others) -- the bank Jackson fought, whose first President was JH Dulles' brother-in-law Langdon Cheves.


After leaving Ralston's employ, Welsh founded J&W Welsh with his brother William.

The Welsh firm had two renumerative lines of business. One was the West Indies trade, which meant trading the slaves or slave goods of the Caribbean plantation economy.

The other was shipping cheap labor from Ireland to the Brandywine Valley, often as an agent for the DuPont family.

DuPONT

The French aristocrat Éleuthère Irénée du Pont de Nemours came to the US in 1799 in flight from the guillotines of the French revolution.

By 1802 he'd established a gunpowder works on Brandywine Creek in Delaware, not too far from the milling enterprises of John Welsh's wife's Maris clan. Government contracts tripled DuPont's sales by his second year in business.


The DuPont connection was helpful when John Welsh wanted to start his own bank:

"...organized in August 1803 at Welsh's countinghouse with a capitalization of $1 million...the bank was able to survive with the support of prominent customers like E.I.DuPont..."


Welsh's "Bank of Philadelphia" became the "Philadelphia National Bank," then "PNB," and is now "CoreStates," a bank holding company with 1996 assets of 45 billion dollars.

The DuPont connection became a family connection when Elizabeth Canby Bradford married Alexis Irenee DuPont, director of DuPont 1890-1904. Alexis (b. 1843) was the great-grandson of E.I. DuPont, and Elizabeth was the great-great granddaughter of J&W Welsh partner Samuel Canby (b. 1751).

Canby was also the first cousin once removed of Margaret Welsh's mother, Jemima Maris.

MARIS/BROWN BROTHERS

The Marises, neighbors of the DuPonts, were among the earliest settlers of the Brandywine Valley and owned much of its valuable river front, where they established grist and sawmills. They were extensively intermarried with other "first" families of the area, like the Canbys and Shipleys.

Thus Joseph Shipley Jr. (b. 1795), another cousin of Jemima Maris, came to work for Joseph Welsh at J&W Welsh. Welsh sent Shipley to Liverpool as his business agent.

Liverpool had been the European hub of the slave trade until 1807, when England abolished slavery. But even afterward, the city's commerce revolved around cotton and slave goods & the businesses and shipping routes forged through the slave trade.

In Liverpool Shipley met William Brown (b. 1784), son of Alexander Brown (1764), the Irish linen merchant who immigrated to Baltimore (another slave trading hub) in 1800 and founded Alex Brown & Sons, the beginning of the Brown Brothers financial dynasty.

Brown & Shipley was established in Liverpool in 1825; its initial business was cotton trading (& reportedly, financing slave ships as well).

Brown & Shipley is said to have moved the major portion of US cotton traded to England at the time of the Civil War.


JH Welsh provided part of Brown-Shipley's start-up capital, and kept an interest in the business on that basis.

The Brown connection, like the DuPont connection, continued through the generations.

John Welsh's g-grandson William S. Stokes (b. 1893), for example, married Ruth Coxe, the great granddaughter of Brown Brothers partner Alexander Brown (1815), grandson of founder Alexander Brown (1764).

Alex (1815) Brown's wife Catherine Neilson was daughter of Abraham Schuyler Neilson (1792).

A.S. Neilson's neice, Cornelia Neilson (1814) married Orlando Harriman (1813), whose grandson William Averell Harriman (1891) would become the "Harriman" in "Brown Brothers, Harriman".

John Welsh's son John Jr. (1805) was Minister to England for President Rutherford Hayes("Minister to St. James"). His son John Lowber Welsh was with the family firm J&W Welsh & Co, by then associated with Drexel & Co.

JL Welsh reorganized the Pennsylvania-Reading Railroad with John C. Bullitt & JP Morgan, representing a "Syndicate" of 7 investors including: John Garrett (Shipley family relative), Samuel Shipley (Shipley family), & Henry DuPont...

[Greyhound]

41. What? No reply?

I'm shocked, I tell ya, shocked...
:eyes:

[Liberal_in_LA]

16. I've never seen it before. So Dupont and Monsanto are our big seed suppliers? Gawd help us all.

[Goldstein1984]

2. That isn't a corporate logo

It's the new Seal of the United States of America.

[DJ13]

3. This is the closest I could find

I doubt thats it though.

[Angry Dragon]

4. Was it green??

[arcadian]

6. White with a green background.

Yeah

[FormerDittoHead]

7. While we're on the topic - you've GOT to check out Logorama (link to full vid)

http://vimeo.com/10149605

[Poboy]

36. wow, great short film animation. Outstanding.

[tabatha]

8. delete

[Contrary1]

10. This?

[arcadian]

12. No, that's kind of a modified infinity

[Contrary1]

14. Check out response #9

[tabatha]

11. delete

[arcadian]

22. Krusty brand pork products

;-)

[Ruby the Liberal]

18. Found this site while looking for you.

I see someone found it, but thought I would link it anyway. They track logo/brand changes, though not updated after 2008.

http://worldsbestlogos.blogspot.com/

[arcadian]

21. Nice, there a couple of real god books on logos and design

One of them just has logos with almost no text. It groups them by design features like "star logos", "tree logos", "logos with numbers", etc.

[PBS Poll-435]

28. Why?