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cheapdate Donating Member (197 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-10 02:34 PM
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"When one plane crahses we don't ground all planes"
I'm tired of hearing this rationale for opposing a drilling moratorium in the Gulf. When one plane crashes it doesn't overwhelm our ability to respond to another plane crash. A plane crash, while tragic, affects a small number of people. An oil spill in the Gulf affects thousands of families living along the coast.
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-10 02:35 PM
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1. Sometimes they ground all similar planes.
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NotThisTime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-10 03:31 PM
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19. Bingo, if a mechanical problem is identified, they ground similar planes that could have the same
problem! People are just freaking stupid when they try this excuse... history is not their damn friend
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-10 02:35 PM
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2. Bullshit... we grounded all planes on 9/11...
They forget so easily.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-10 02:35 PM
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3. Actually, Something Similar Often Is Done
It is fairly common for all machines of the type which crashed to be grounded for inspection following a crash, if some obvious flaw featured in the crash....
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-10 02:36 PM
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4. I would amend that to millions of families
The whole country will pay and are paying for the Ecocide of the Gulf
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-10 02:38 PM
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5. 9-11 - immediately grounded every plane in the air
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-10 02:38 PM
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6. If there is a systemetic fault in one particular airframe, they may in fact ...
ground that particular aircraft.
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-10 02:39 PM
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7. Actually, sometimes we do!
Speaking as an airline pilot, the FAA periodically does ground all of the same type (model) of planes when they find one small problem with one individual plane.

The FAA is constantly issuing "AD's", or airworthiness directives, which require specific maintenance or procedural modifications before an airplane is allowed back into service.

So, this assertion, and the logic of the CORRUPT Louisiana judge, is patently false on the surface.

If the rest of the regulatory agencies were as hard core as the FAA, we would have no poisoned food, no pollution, no workplace disasters. I often ask myself why did I pick the most scrutinized industry in history to make my living?
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-10 02:40 PM
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8. When one plane crashes because a primary system fails in an unexpected way we do.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-10 02:42 PM
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9. If one airplane crash
did the kind of damage this oil spill did, we'd ground them for sure.

Good grief. Critical Thinking skills are so lacking in the Drill Baby Drill crowd.
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Ready4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-10 02:43 PM
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10. Depends on WHY it crashed.
There have been aircraft crashes that have grounded all planes of the same model. They are usually grounded until specific areas can be inspect or specific parts repaired/replaced.

In this case, a fair comparison would be to halt all deep water drilling in the Gulf, until operational procedures can be corrected, crews can be retrained, techniques to avoid this type of accident developed/reinforced, and any resources needed to handle future failures are put in place.

Oh, and nothing at all should be done until YOU SHUT DOWN THE CONTINUING SPILL AT THE SOURCE. (Airplane comparison: survivors rescued, fire put out.) FFS.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-10 02:43 PM
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11. Dude! We do that all the time. If a plane crashes due to a defect,
it's common practice to ban all planes of that type for inspection and repairs.

Get your facts straight. You'll look way smarter, you know.
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-10 02:45 PM
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12. As Maddow pointed out last night... it has to do with ability to respond to an accident
The reports from all the major drilling companies about what their emergency response would be were all identical, meaning they were all counting on using the same resources, which also means that they didn't account for having more than one major accident at a time.

Currently, ALL resources are being deployed so that if another accident were to occur, there would be ZERO ability to respond.

That's the reason.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-10 02:46 PM
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13. Yep, after the Titanic sunk we cabled Britain and said, "Send another one of those over right away."
Oh, wait a minute ...

Don
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HockeyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-10 02:59 PM
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15. When was the last time
you flew on a blimp overseas?:evilgrin:
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HockeyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-10 02:50 PM
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14. They certainly do it with food
Edited on Fri Jun-25-10 02:51 PM by HockeyMom
They recall those brands and tell people to throw the food out if they have it at home. When all the brands of dog and cat food were contaminated, they were totally removed from the shelves in stores. I had some of those cans at home and brought them back to the store and they were taken back and my money refunded no questions asked.

If something is a DANGER to the public, you cannot keep on selling it. From the corporation standpoint, they don't like getting SUED either.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-10 03:00 PM
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16. um..what?? There is a long history of that happening...
Not in recent years that I can recall, but model lines have been grounded due to engineering flaws...
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-10 03:04 PM
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17. I trust professional airline pilots to exercise due caution.




I can't say the same about Big Oil. Particularly BP and Halliburton.


Hell no. Keep those irresponsible assholes away from drilling indefinitely.


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Not Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-10 03:09 PM
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18. In BP's own words, "...the investigation is still ongoing, we don't know
the cause."

Take that to its logical conclusion, and it means we are fools if we drill another hole.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-10 03:33 PM
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20. when one small plane crashes it does not kill a whole ecosystem & force hundreds of thousands
people into poverty from job-loss:grr:
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-10 03:35 PM
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21. Every plane on earth could crash and wouldn't come close to the damage here
in the Gulf.

Fucking moronic
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ThomThom Donating Member (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-10 03:50 PM
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22. but when there is something wrong with a type of plane we do
Edited on Fri Jun-25-10 03:53 PM by ThomThom
faulty landing gear for example
Deep water drilling is flawed and should be halted and if other spills can't be prevented and cleaned up, no matter the depth, they should be stopped also

on edit
or a problem with a model of car we have a recall
your statement makes no sense
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