Summer of '11 means the end of the ten year war

[BeFree]

Obama has said so. We just have to make him do it.

[Yuugal]

1. K&R

[chimpymustgo]

2. You're kidding, right? We'll pull out a few troops, but we'll have a military presence till

we extract all their natural resources and build our pipelines and whatever else the corporations want to do.

[BeFree]

3. No kidding

We have an exit strategy. And it commences in the summer of '11.

If you want to think that it will be forever, that's fine.

As for me, I believe we will see the beginning of the end in summer of '11.

Why? Because that is what the vast majority of people will work to make happen.

[OnyxCollie]

16. We are going to leave behind a $1 billion embassy

the size of Vatican City?

Really?

On edit: It appears that we are colonizing, not leaving.

On edit again: I was thinking Iraq, not Afghanistan. But since $1 trillion in mineral deposits are there, why wouldn't the "rational" actors choose to stay? Make up some bullshit about "losing fragile gains", and a couple Friedman Units (FU) later, all will be forgotten.

[BeFree]

18. A monument

A sign that our empire was there.

Not to worry, the way it is being built, the whole thing, it will crumble in no time.

The cheapest thing to do is leave.
If it is money that matters to you, then that is your answer: Leave it.

[OnyxCollie]

21. Oh, I know about the shitty job First Kuwaiti

did slapping that thing together. But sloppy construction nor electrocuted Green Berets have deterred anything in Iraq, however.

Money matters to me. Unfortunately, those who are spending it don't give a shit what I think.

Edit: typo.

[MadHound]

4. There will be no ending of the war in '11

There might be some cosmetic changes, a few troops sent home, but even Obama has admitted we're in that war for the foreseeable future.

[BeFree]

5. Ok, so give up

If Obama told you to jump off a cliff, would you?

As for me, I am fixed like a laser on the summer of '11 as the ending and exiting from the ten year bushco inspired warmongering.

[Javaman]

15. There is way to much money to be made over there...

the "military" may leave in '11, but as far as the U.S. leaving, not for a very long time.

Much like the western Roman empire, Iraq and Afghanistan is the western US empire now.

[BeFree]

19. One name, you may recall

Viet Nam. We did it.... once, we can and will do it again.

If the people there can ever forgive us, then we can do some business later. IF.

[Javaman]

25. While that is true and our objective then was the rubber industry...

The geopolitical mess that the world is currently wrapped up in, is far more insidious then it was during the time of Viet Nam.

There is so much at play with Iraq and Afghanistan, it's hard to tell sometimes where the bullshit ends and the truth begins.

Since corporations control just about everything, even if "we" left, they will still be there and still flying the US flag.

Don't get me wrong, I want out of those two nations before we even got there, but getting out is always much much much more difficult then going in.

We have blighted a generation in both those nations and as a result we will be paying for it long after we ever leave, if we ever leave.

Until the last soldier is back home, I believe nothing that is put out by either the white house press corp or the news.

It's all bullshit and mirrors to distract us from something else.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

6. Correct. It will then be the 11 Year War.

[VMI Dem]

7. It is a conditions based draw down.

[BeFree]

8. Yep

And we should make it so that the overwhelming condition is that the politicians have to pull out and end the warmongering just to save their own skins.

We did it (tombstoned) to get out of Viet Nam. We can do it again. It wasn't easy then, it won't be easy now, but do it we must.

[BeFree]

9. No argument?

Everyone agrees that if we all get focused we can make them end the invasion and occupation?

All righteee then.

[AnArmyVeteran]

10. We're going to ALWAYS be in Afghanistan, ALWAYS...

[BeFree]

11. No, we are not

Except as we are still in Viet Nam.

Obama has said the pullout begins in the summer of '11.
We will make him do it, and go all the way. Right?
Or are we helpless?

[AnArmyVeteran]

12. I'm not helpless. I would have already pulled every soldier out of Afghanistan

And I would certainly wouldn't have escalated the war. No matter what we do there or how long we stay as soon as we leave everything will return to the pre-war Afghanistan, Nothing will have been gained and we will have lost trillions and thousands will have lost their lives. No 'wins' can come out of the Afghanistan War. And the longer we stay we will continue to rack up more and more loses.

And if President Obama announced he was going to pull our soldiers out of Afghanistan and right wingers started to say he's a 'cut and runner', then he could announce to the American people how the conservative's god, Ronald Reagan, 'cut and ran' after he allowed 241 of our soldiers to be killed in their sleep in Lebanon and within 30 days of that tragic event Reagan withdrew all of our forces from Lebanon.

No other country's army in the history of the world has succeeded in Afghanistan. And we won't either.

[BeFree]

22. Not helpless?

Ummmmm, what is you want done? Can you get it done?

[Robb]

23. "No other country's army in the history of the world has succeeded in Afghanistan."

...Forgetting we bankrolled, armed and trained the mujahideen that ousted the Soviets?

The formula in Afghanistan is simple: their army + our money = success. Also known as "what Afghanistan will look like by July 2011."

[kenny blankenship]

13. They've already taken that back.

Oh yeah, they SAID it, and you were supposed to BELIEVE it. But they didn't have to MEAN it. The wiggle room has already expanded to let the weasel pass.

[BeFree]

14. I got that weasel by the tail

Need some more hands here. We can put that weasel back in the cage and get it shipped home. But it's gonna take a lot of hands.

[TheKentuckian]

17. Are you willing to protest and withhold your vote? Otherwise, its hot air.

It'll take serious hardball to make them give it up and granting the year is counter-productive.

[BeFree]

20. Hot air, is right

And if we all direct it in the same direction at the same time, over the next year it will become a hurricane that blows the military right back home.

[kenny blankenship]

24. Speaking just for myself, wild weasels couldn't drag me to vote for the War Party

though they numbered as many as all the pep squads and marching bands of America. Whichever place on the ballot it occupies, the War Party is in my blind spot. I see them not. I hear them not. I know them only too well.