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katandmoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 11:12 AM
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The Fate of the Internet -- Decided in a Back Room
The Wall Street Journal just reported that the Federal Communications Commission is holding "closed-door meetings" with industry to broker a deal on Net Neutrality -- the rule that lets users determine their own Internet experience.

Given that the corporations at the table all profit from gaining control over information, the outcome won't be pretty.

The meetings include a small group of industry lobbyists representing the likes of AT&T, Verizon, the National Cable & Telecommunications Association, and Google. They reportedly met for two-and-a-half hours on Monday morning and will convene another meeting today. The goal according to insiders is to "reach consensus" on rules of the road for the Internet.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/timothy-karr/the-fate-of-the-internet_b_620690.html


So much for net neutrality. With this news, even the pretense has been dropped.
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 11:16 AM
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1. Say good-bye to the country of
We the people, for the people

They might as well shut down everything except fox, then we will know that we are getting all the news we need.
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 11:37 AM
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2. President Obama needs to demand transparency on this.
No. Closed. Door. Meetings.

They've never resulted in anything of benefit for the people.

Contact The White House and leave a message for President Obama to put a stop to censorship of the Internet:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 12:17 PM
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11. lol now that is funny - transparency nt
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 11:38 AM
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3. Good bye Democracy.
Did I help elect anybody in that room? I doubt it.
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Lance_Boyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 11:40 AM
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4. GOOGLE SUPPORTS NET NEUTRALITY - this article is duplicate bunk.
Edited on Tue Jun-22-10 11:42 AM by Lance_Boyle
http://www.google.com/help/netneutrality_letter.html

This is a reasonably balanced meeting arranged by FCC between equally-represented sides in the net neutrality debate. Common Dreams and now Huffpo are up in arms over NOTHING.

on edit - replaced TruthOut with Common Dreams. Truthout is not, as yet, mindlessly repeating this same bit of nonsense (as Huffpo is)

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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 11:50 AM
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6. I agree with you regarding Google's position, but why is this meeting secret?
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katandmoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 11:51 AM
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7. What is the point of the Google link from 2006?
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Lance_Boyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 11:56 AM
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8. Google's position has not changed.
This irresponsible fearmongering/outrage-manufacturing by Common Dreams and Huffpo remains spectacularly stupid.

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katandmoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 11:59 AM
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9. What does that have to do with this closed door meeting with the telecoms who oppose net neutrality?
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Lance_Boyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 12:33 PM
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12. Did you miss the fact that google AND OTHER NET NEUTRALITY PROPONENTS
are also taking part in the meetings? The scare article makes it sound like FCC is only consulting telecoms, which is an outright lie. The fact is that the FCC's consultative meetings are being held with equal representation from both sides of the NN debate. Google is a BIG LOUD voice on the pro-NN side.

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katandmoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 12:41 PM
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13. Of course I didn't miss it. I don't think it's RELEVANT. NN OPPONENTS are being given an EQUAL SAY
when they should not have a say at all. THAT is the only thing that is relevant.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 12:44 PM
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14. Again why is the meeting in secret unless it's to broker a deal?
It makes no difference what Google's position is, if they're outnumbered and or threatened to tow the line or else.

The secrecy of the meeting makes all of that possible.
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 01:30 PM
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18. +100 why in secret? and let's not forget how Google cowed to China's request for censorship
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 11:48 AM
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5. This reminds me of Cheney's secret energy meeting, what could go wrong?
Edited on Tue Jun-22-10 11:49 AM by Uncle Joe


"The Wall Street Journal just reported that the Federal Communications Commission is holding "closed-door meetings" with industry to broker a deal on Net Neutrality -- the rule that lets users determine their own Internet experience."



I also differ with their premise of who the "users" are, the users are the People, and overwhelmingly the users are in favor of Net Neutrality, period.

Thanks for the thread, katandmoon.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 12:14 PM
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10. "Broker a deal on net neutrality"?????
Why are these corporate snakes "brokering a deal" with the Internet? The
Internet belongs to the PEOPLE.

Net neutrality shouldn't even be up for discussion.

PERIOD.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 12:50 PM
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15. I don't think they can considering how the internet works. There will
Edited on Tue Jun-22-10 01:05 PM by Cleita
always be a back door of some sort that you can bypass the fire walls set up. It might even create a cottage industry of illegal routers in people's garages. However, it won't get that dire because somewhere, somehow, somebody will sue them for first amendment rights.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 01:00 PM
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17. +1 The genie is out of the bottle, there is no putting it back.
The internet isn't going anywhere. The more they try to control it, the more ways people will find around it.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 12:59 PM
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16. You can be heard
Comment here:

http://blog.broadband.gov/?entryId=509180

File a comment here:

http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/

Tell the FCC that you support the "Third Way" proposal that will define data transmission as a telecommunications service, thus giving the FCC the power to regulate it and enforce Net Neutrality.
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