Hi DU folks! Welcome to the Friday Afternoon Challenge Question!

[CTyankee]

“Uh, excuse me, but isn’t something MISSING here?”

[DJ13]

1. Jesus!

I cant see it.

[CTyankee]

3. He's there in the center. He has the brightest halo...

[AnArmyVeteran]

39. Oil soaked birds in the painting above them?

[YOY]

2. Someone missing a hand or foot or something?

n/t

[CTyankee]

6. Not that I know of....

[YOY]

15. The CHAIR!

Whatever the guy (John the Baptist?) is supposed to sit on!

[Uncle Joe]

32. That's Neo from the Matrix and he didn't need no stinking chair. n/t

[zeemike]

45. Nope John the Baptist had been beheaded by then

Might be John the disciple though.

[monmouth]

4. Mary Magdeline???

[CTyankee]

10. She's missing, written out of her proper role in Christianity, but not what I was looking for...nt

[JoePhilly]

5. Wine glasses

[Fumesucker]

25. +1

[Scurrilous]

7. Salad forks? n/t

[AnArmyVeteran]

42. They are missing a WAITER! Who was providing them all that food? And I wonder if they tipped him?

[Ken Burch]

156. Nobody...that's why he got pissed and walked out!

(swiped Jesus' Gold Card while he was at it...)

[AnArmyVeteran]

162. LOL! And I thought Jesus was pissed at the bankers and money lenders...

[mikita]

8. oil... the birds are not covered in oil !!!......

but they will be FOREVERMORE....

[CTyankee]

12. Hey!

[nxylas]

9. Is it the halos?

Normally in Last Supper paintings, everyone except Judas has a halo, but here, only Jesus has one.

[CTyankee]

16. they do, just paler than Christ's...but in some Last Suppers they don't, it's true.

Not what I am seeking here...

[Tikki]

11. The busboy...to clear the table....

prob out back grabbing a smoke.

Tikki

[Call Me Wesley]

13. Fresco is from Domenico Ghirlandaio, this I know.

What's missing? Let me see. ;)

[CTyankee]

57. Have you ever been to Florence?

[Call Me Wesley]

64. Yes, and I saw this one.

I'm 3 hours away from Florence, and part of my family is from there. :)

[CTyankee]

73. This one?

[Call Me Wesley]

80. This or the second one in Ognissanti.

I was dragged through all the stuff when I was a kid, which was a curse being born into an artist family. But I did discover Ghirlandaio later and do prefer him to the more common known artists of this epoch.

[CTyankee]

82. Well?

[Call Me Wesley]

90. Sorry, you must be going for something really obscure

or so easy I can't point my finger at. And if it has to do something with the place, that was a long time ago.

On edit: You don't mean the construction stuff that was used while restoring the piece, do you? :rofl:

[CTyankee]

95. No, but please, don't give up at this point....You are the closest...

[Call Me Wesley]

106. It has to do with the location?

I really don't know. A little, tiny little hint? ;)

[elleng]

112. He sure is the closest, isn't he, Yank?

Literally.

[Call Me Wesley]

120. I think I'm just hopping on the train

and figure this one out myself! ;)

"Hey! I'm here to check if there's something missing with your last supper!"
"Scusi?"
"Ya know, your Ghirlandaio fresco thingie. There's something missing!"
"Che cavolo dici?"
"Oh, buzz off, call this Ghirlandaio guy right frakkin' now!"

[CTyankee]

124. Oh, that's funny...you prolly did see the one with the cat....

[Call Me Wesley]

132. Yep,

and the funny part is that I always enjoyed the cat sitting there, but I didn't occur to me this time that she/he is missing there. So that picture was from Oignissanti. San Marco has the cat. Also a Jesus on the cross on the middle pillar.

Well done! Was fun! Thank you for doing these!

[CTyankee]

135. Oh, I love it...my pleasure...drop in again next Friday for another challenge.

It's going to be diabolic...

[Call Me Wesley]

149. Heh, I'm good with diabolic matters ...

;)

Looking forward to it! :hi:

[CTyankee]

121. Hi Ellen, did you know it?

[elleng]

133. Nope.

SURE need to study!

[gateley]

14. Place cards?

[CTyankee]

19. Heh. Hi, gateley!

[gateley]

29. Hi! I love these although I never participate because I never know the answer.

I wasn't familiar with this depiction so I looked it up - it's beautifully done. I'm curious about the answer. I'll keep checking! :hi:

[virgogal]

66. I never know the answer either,but enjoy the challenge.

[JoePhilly]

17. Given the layout of the table ... a bunch of BP executives, and some photographers.

[Scuba]

18. The blunt is missing from Paul's hand.

[Scuba]

43. John McCain?

[Chulanowa]

20. Mel Brooks!

[Lasher]

21. All the grime that obscured this painting for decades?

She cleans up purty good, don't she?

[monmouth]

22. Glasses, lots of glasses but no damned wine..Where's the jugs of wine?..sorry...n/t

[CTyankee]

28. They're there...look in the lower left hand corner...

[monmouth]

Ah, sorry, thought they were just decorations ....n/t

[CTyankee]

52. I don't think they drank water in those days...wine was IMPORTANT.

[JoePhilly]

34. But no glasses on the table.

[JoePhilly]

23. A chair for that guy sitting in the front.

[CTyankee]

31. I think he's on a stool.

[JoePhilly]

59. Can't see it

[CTyankee]

67. Under his robes I guess...but it's implied...

[JoePhilly]

69. He looks like he's hovering to me :-)

[county worker]

24. The cup or chalice or holy grail

[Pathwalker]

26. Where's the food, and their plates? What about the Holy Grail?

[CTyankee]

36. Funny that it's not represented here, but not what I had in mind. Hmm, gotta research

that one...

[flakey_foont]

27. from the look on some of their faces

what's missing is.......EXCITEMENT!!!Entertainment

[Hawkeye-X]

30. Hookahs for their weed!

They're looking for it!

[Poll_Blind]

33. Oh yeah, I see what's missing: THE TIP! Cheap bastards, every one! n/t

PB

[AnArmyVeteran]

35. 'God' is missing

[elleng]

116. 'God' is everywhere, dontcha know?

[AnArmyVeteran]

150. If god was everywhere then he is a negligent father who would be in prison if he was human.

Look at it this way. God is supposed to be our father. But if he was everywhere then he knows everything about what is going to happen to you. A human parent would never allow any harm come to their child and if they intentionally did nothing to save their child or put them in danger, they would have their children taken from them and they would be arrested and put in jail.

So if God is our father he is a negligent one who lets his children die or be harmed. I'm always amused when I hear about a plane crash killing 300 but if one person is found alive it's called a miracle. A miracle means there was divine intervention to save that one person's life. So that means god knew the plane was going to crash and decided to save only one out of the 301 passengers. In other words, god willfully and with premeditation killed those 300 people.

If god was a human father and he allowed his children to starve, be in danger or die he would be arrested and thrown in prison with the rest of the deadbeat fathers. He would be charged with all kinds of crimes, like child endangerment, child abuse and child neglect.

So if god IS everywhere then that is an admission he is guilty of premeditated murder, among other things.

But I get your point. I wasn't trying to turn your light moment into a heavy one. But I thought I would share my take on religion and 'faith'.

[elleng]

151. Thanks for your 'take,' AAV.

[JoePhilly]

37. Glen Beck?

[Warpy]

38. Neither a yarmulke nor a head cord in the crowd

and where the hell is the chalice? Also, why were they drinking out of glassware? As I recall, that stuff wasn't invented until later and the standard of the day was pewter, something that delivered a nice dose of lead with each swig. The truly poor were healthier because they used gourds or wooden cups.

Oh, and who the hell are all those white people?

[CTyankee]

46. typical, isn't it? It's stuff like this that gives us our stereotypes about Jesus

and the apostles today...but it IS great art, doncha think?

[ChairmanAgnostic]

40. no whine.

or something similar.

[Tikki]

41. The Dessert Cart...

and coffee..I don't know.


Tikki

[CTyankee]

48. I imagine dessert in those days was a bunch of grapes...

[Ken Burch]

157. They had honeycake(actually, early Romans made something similar to modern cheesecake as well)

And it would've been more like figs than grape, I think.

[YOY]

44. One of their shadows.

n/t

[TriMera]

47. How 'bout...

the bottom of that pillar of light thingy?

[CTyankee]

49. whazzat?

[TriMera]

53. Sorry, right in the middle.

Looks like light coming out of one of the pillars. Maybe I'm just having a religious moment.lol.

[CTyankee]

55. That IS kind of odd, isn't it? I'm not too sure about the architecture here...

[blogslut]

56. Yeah

That archy thing in the middle. It looks painted over.

[Tikki]

50. Shoes...around here..no shirt..no SHOES..no service.

Tikki

[foxfeet]

51. The sommelier.

[Turbineguy]

54. Finger bowls

with a slice of lemon.

[Dr Morbius]

58. Shouldn't there be painting up the columns, and above that?

The part that's all white; shouldn't that have something on it? It doesn't really fit renaissance art to leave big open white spaces where angels or devils might be painted.

[CTyankee]

68. Not really...

[mikita]

60. Judas's bag o money?

:evilgrin:

[Call Me Wesley]

61. Beards? (nt)

[JoePhilly]

62. Signature of the painter

[CTyankee]

72. A good point but I'm just not sure that artists signed their paintings in those days.

[EFerrari]

63. Halos?

Darn! You stump me every time! lol

[Tikki]

65. The Check...looks like some have already..

divvied up their share and others are still hacking away at it.

Tikki

[Child_Of_Isis]

70. Feet? It looks as if everybody only has one.

[musette_sf]

71. The foot washing water?

It's a long shot, since the washing of the disciples' feet by JC only appears in the Gospel of SJtB, but some paintings do include the bowl and the water ewer.

[CTyankee]

74. I don't ever remember seeing a Last Supper with the washing of the feet....

but I am no expert in Christianity...

[Tikki]

75. It's Friday...right!..where is the mac & cheese and the fish stix?

Tikki

[CTyankee]

76. Bring it ON, art majors!

You know this. You've been to Florence...

[YOY]

89. Is it...one of Jesus' fingers?

n/t

[dgibby]

77. What's holding up the table?

I can see where they're supposed to be at the front corners, but I don't see anything holding up the large horizontal expanse. It looks like the table's levitating.

[CTyankee]

78. interesting but I think it's implied...

[Jamastiene]

79. Where's the beef?

There should be some food on that there table. Where's the beef? Where's supper? Damn, I'm hungry.

[CTyankee]

81. It's always skimpy looking...;poor folks didn't have a lot of food in those days...

[Jamastiene]

99. Ooooh, I know!

Republicans. There are no Republicans in that picture.

Right? :think:

[Dr Morbius]

83. I notice the person sitting immediately right of Jesus has a knife in his hand.

And his fingers are curled. Now, either he's doing his nails, or there was something in his hand. No?

[virgogal]

84. A loaf of bread?

[dgibby]

85. A shadow.

There are 13 people, only 12 shadows.

[CTyankee]

88. Naaa.

[mod mom]

86. the bottom of the center column?

[Tikki]

87. Something to do with symmetry...one side has a vase..

with flowers..other side does not.


Tikki

[Tikki]

127. Hey, the painting with the kitty has a vase of..

flowers on each side of the room. I was half correct.

Tikki

[chollybocker]

91. They forgot to say grace?

[CTyankee]

92. HINT: Know the artist...

[YOY]

94. Cenacolo di'Ognissanti..."the man who made no mistakes"

Seriously? He made a mistake???

[CTyankee]

96. No, it was NOT a mistake. It was...different...

[YOY]

98. Like the blue part of the robes that don't match the robes on the bodies above?

n/t

[Jamastiene]

107. No gold gilding?

I'm going to bookmark this if anyone ever gets it right. I'm super curious now.

[Call Me Wesley]

102. The only thing I can think of right now is

that he always sneaked in political/famous figures from his time, but so did his apprentice, Buonarotti.

[CTyankee]

109. Have you ever gone to the San Marco museo and monastery?

[Call Me Wesley]

113. Long time ago.

Now all I can think of is Savonarola. x(

[one_voice]

118. Tintoretto? n/t

[CTyankee]

141. He had an interesting Last Supper but his era was already out of the Renaissance and

into the Mannerist period. It is disturbing:

[pinboy3niner]

93. Is it Judas Iscariot? nt

[CTyankee]

97. He is the figure on the other side of the table from Christ and the disciples....

it is on his side of the table that the puzzle is solved...

[Dr Morbius]

101. Ah. There should be a purse hanging from his belt, yes?

[CTyankee]

104. no.

[Tikki]

100. Some kind of religious inscriptions in the painting?...

A quick peruse of the artist's work show religious writings in them.

Tikki

[alfredo]

103. Judas' money bag.

The bottles are very similar to the bottles used in Eritrea/Ethiopia for honey wine (Mead or as they call it Tej). In the painting the wine looks like Mead.

[elleng]

105. Yup, where's the matzoh ball soup!!!

:rofl:

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

115. And the gefilte fish!

[handmade34]

108. cat

[CTyankee]

THE WINNAH!

Tell me how you knew?

Here is the painting:

[handmade34]

114. jesus always cares for homeless kitties!

[CTyankee]

117. I wish I could say that was it but I doubt it. I think the cat personified the evil with

Judas, since it was presented on Judas's side of the table. I think in the Middle Ages (this is the late 1400s people still had a superstition about cats).

[monmouth]

125. I love this Friday thing. Reminds me of my educational shortcomings but still

a lot of fun. I'm still pi$$ed about Mary Mag. Not fair at all...

[handmade34]

134. that was good fun

and I thank you for the game... I did just spend many happy hours in some of our finest art museums this past winter...
Princeton, Baltimore, Rhode Island, New York, D.C., etc... (I have a lot of down time in my travels)

[CTyankee]

139. You are so welcome. Come again next week. It'll be a doozy...

[Dr Morbius]

142. All right, smart guy. Do you know the origin of the word "doozy"?

He asked, expecting the art expert probably does, as it isn't really rare trivia.

I admire your expertise. I do not share the passion for art; never did, really. But I must admire how well you know your subject.

[CTyankee]

144. I think its origin was the name of an early automobile, the Dusenberg (sp?).

[Dr Morbius]

147. Yeah, I knew you'd know. It was the Deusenberg, a car so luxurious...

...it became synonymous with style and glamour. With status. "It's a Duesy", was the old saying; it has since become bastardized to "doozy". The biggest, fastest, and most expensive car in the world. In the time of the great depression, the things people dreamed about became quite important, culturally.

[CTyankee]

152. I'm just old...

[Jamastiene]

119. This was fun.

Thank you. :)

[CTyankee]

126. Yep, it sure was...and thanks...

[handmade34]

122. for real...

had a thought and did just a little bit of quick research on Ghirlandaio

[CTyankee]

145. Yeah, if you know the artist and go on Google images and Last Supper

you finally arrive at the one with the cat...

[Call Me Wesley]

123. Oh, LOL, the cat.

Waiting for left-overs. I soooo missed that one.

:thumbsup:

[CTyankee]

129. It really confused me when I first studied Italian Renaissance art...

I'd see one and then the other one with the cat and I wondered if I had just imagined the damned cat...it took me a while for dawn to break over marble head...

Ghirlandiao actually did a 3rd Last Supper but no cat in that one either...

[CTyankee]

131. I think it might have been symbolic. The Middle Ages were not kind to cats.

Folks in those days thought they were bad and killed them. It might have been the reason for the Black Plague...without the cats the rats carrying the plague proliferated...

[Call Me Wesley]

140. Pretty interesting.

Cats were pretty much demonized and later on, during the witch hunts, you'd better had no cat as a pet. I wonder if, since we're talking the era of Savonarola here, cats weren't frowned upon also because their mating rituals are very vocally - so they stood for lust, too.

[CTyankee]

143. Bad time to be born a cat...

[Jamastiene]

146. My mother used to make an imaginary cross on the windshield

if a black cat ran across the road anywhere in front of her. Thing is, she isn't very religious at all. So, it was just a superstition based on nothing. It was something I always thought was weird growing up.

The other weird thing about it is that she liked Domino (RIP), my black cat that I got as an adult. She got along fine with Domino. Domino was super smart and did things on her own. She was highly intelligent and trained like nobody's business. You could train that cat to do anything just by showing her once. I think that is what my mother liked about her. She didn't do any crossing motions around Domino. :shrug:

[Call Me Wesley]

148. Yes, the black cats.

The witches house demon. It's still living I fear.

I had a black cat (RIP also) called 'Macchiavelli.' He died way too early from some auto-immune disease.

[Jamastiene]

154. Little Domino was only 6 years old when she got Feline Sarcoma

She was one of the best cats ever. I could not believe her depth of understanding and intelligence. I still miss her more than anything.

What was strange about her death is that her vet, the only doctor she had ever been to said that those types of Sarcomas usually come from being vaccinated in the side instead of the leg and he only ever vaccinates them in the leg for that reason.

So, hers was one of the rare cases where they get a sarcoma in that area that wasn't vaccine related. It was a fairly large tumor and grew super fast. The vet tried to remove as much as he could and she lived about 3 more months. I still miss her so much.

If I ever get another cat, I'm going to try to do it through the Black Cat Rescue organization: http://www.blackcatrescue.com/
(unless the time comes and a cat just shows up in my yard, as critters often do, and needs a home)

Did you know black cats are only half as likely to get adopted? I didn't know that.

[notesdev]

128. What picture is complete without a cat?

[elleng]

130. Oh my goodness!

[dgibby]

136. Well, that explains where that last stray

that wandered into my house came from! Thanks for clearing that up!

[Ken Burch]

161. I'd let that stray take a long nap, if I was you

That kitty must really be gettin' up there, if he was in that painting.

[JoePhilly]

137. Now that I know there are 2 versions of this ... there are MANY differences.

The most obvious is that the original has Jesus on the Cross .... but ...

Then there is the position of the head of the person to Jesus's left ... in the original, its on the table, in the one you provided, its not.

Others have mentioned the halos ....

I notice that the original has less dramatic hand locations for all of the subjects.

In the version you provide, one holds a knife, I do not see one in the original.

In the second version you find at least one bored apostle, none above.

Still great fun.

(edit: clarified a point)

[pinboy3niner]

110. Bingo

Domenico Ghirlandaio. Last Supper. 1480. Fresco. Convent of San Marco, Refectory, Florence, Italy.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

111. I'm not Jewish so I'm just guessing. A Menorah?

[elleng]

138. Thats for Chanukah, wrong 'celebration.' Nice try, tho!

[Duer 157099]

153. Gosh I'm late for this one! My first answer is "Jesus' shadow" but someone upthread said that

Now I will read through the replies to see if anyone got it yet

edit: ok now I've read through and see the answer was already given. I'd have never guessed that!

[Ken Burch]

155. The Chinese takeout cartons?

n/t.

[Ken Burch]

158. The wine?

There needed to be some, according to what the Gospels said.

[entanglement]

159. Looks like the central pillar is missing?

[Ken Burch]

160. The "Dogs Playing Poker" painting?

Everybody knows Jesus just LOVED those!