OH MY FUCKING GAWD...THERE ARE MANY BP WELLS WITH THE SAME DESIGN

[xultar]

IN THE FUCKING GULF

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[G_j]

1. are we scared enough yet?

maybe not...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8489418

7,000 feet deep, produces 8.4 million gallons of oil every day


the BP Atlantis lacks more than 6,000 documents that are key to operating the rig safely. Abbott has said that the vast majority of the project's subsea piping and instrument diagrams were not approved by engineers, and the safety systems are out of date. In March 2009, Abbott took his concerns about the rig to MMS, the Department of Interior office responsible for regulating offshore drilling. He says the agency requested some of these documents from BP, but failed to seek specific diagrams of key components necessary for ensuring the rig's secure operation.

An internal BP email that came out in the course of Abbott's dispute refers to the potential for "catastrophic operator errors" on the rig due to these lapses. The suit argues that without these documents, the rig operators "are flying blind, and have no way to assure the safety of offshore drilling operations." Food & Water Watch began pushing for lawmakers to intervene on the rig back in August 2009.

[G_j]

23. dupe

[sandnsea]

2. But keep on drilling

and when the well explodes and even just 10% of the oil reaches the wetlands and beaches..

well blame the Democratic President for that.

Fucking stupid ass people I swear to god.

And no we can't shut down all off shore drilling, but people do have to accept the consequences of their actions.

[Mimosa]

3. Watching hearing on CNN now...eeeek!

Hayward admitted there are many similar wells in Gulf.

[ReverendDeuce]

4. The design is sound...

Before you jump on me for saying that, let me first say that drilling off-shore is dangerous to begin with and that we should focus our energy on alternatives in the first place.

Nevertheless, the drilling equipment and design is sound -- the problem is with the cost cutting that takes place, lax regulation, and a drive towards profit at the expense of safety.

[hobbit709]

5. That's the problem isn't it?

Given BP's history of bean counters overriding engineers.

[valerief]

6. What good are sound designs that can be altered to unsound designs at will? nt

[xultar]

9. What I am saying is that there are more wells with that design haliburton BOP

cementing...

and same lax regulations

same cost cutting

This was going to happen regardless....

[Wickerman]

10. Is the design sound at that level

and at that temperature? I heard or read the other day (nope, no source :crazy: ) that it is so cold at that depth that the metals respond differently than they would in shallow water drilling and that the industry had not conducted testing to verify the various valves and pumps would respond as expected.

Not doubting what you are saying that all is sound, just wondering if you know different.

[Kablooie]

7. 2012 here we come!

[polichick]

8. For the first time, I can actually see how that could happen. nt

[Catherina]

11. And all of them approved by the MMS.

At some point, we need to ask ourselves where the buck stops.

You can't blame a wolf for killing your sheep. That's what wolves do. The problem is why is the farmer letting the wolves come on in?

[detroitredwings]

12. Is the design flawed? Or was it just the fire that caused all of this?

[Canuckistanian]

15. Fires are not normal

By the time you've got a fire, you KNOW something's gone seriously, seriously wrong.

[nc4bo]

16. What caused the fire to occur in the first place?

"Something" pushed enough fuel (gas or liquid) up that pipe, combustion engines did the rest. Design flaw? Equipment failure? Mismanagement? Or was it simply profits at any cost?

If we don't know :wtf: we're doing in deep water then we have no business drilling there in the first place. And, if our clean-up technology hasn't improved since when? The 70's?, then we absolutely have no business drilling there at all.

Bottomline.

[xultar]

17. the gas backing up the pipe caused the explosion

[nc4bo]

19. I know. "Is the design flawed? Or was it just the fire that caused all of this?"

Xultar, I was just expanding on the OP.

The fire that destroyed that rig is the final result of some action or inaction on the part of BP/Halliburton/MMS or some other party or combination of parties and that's what all these investigations should make clear, hopefully.

I've a feeling we're going to see a chain of errors and widespread blame.

[Chiyo-chichi]

20. Did nobody see the 60 Minutes interview w/Mike Williams?

He was the chief electronics technician on Deepwater Horizon and barely survived. He seems to have explained the causes pretty well.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-05-22/60-minutes-video-of-bp-oil-rig-accident-survivor/

"Williams says a drilling accident weeks before the disaster cost $25 million in lost equipment and supplies. Pressure was mounting to speed the project along; BP was paying $1 million a day and time was money.

One of the important revelations from the interview is Williams’ description of damage to a vital piece of safety equipment. The blowout preventer sits near the seabed and is the crew's last line of defense against what happened on April 20. But during a test weeks before the accident, Williams says the blowout preventer was damaged and part of a critical rubber seal started coming up out of the well."

He talks about handfuls of shredded rubber seal coming up. BP's response? Nah, it'll be fine.

Everyone should watch this if you haven't already.

[Canuckistanian]

13. It's not the *design*, it's the *method* they used.

They cut corners. Cheaped out. Skipped several safety steps.

They had ALL the equipment they needed to do a safe job.

They just chose not to do everything they COULD have done to prevent a blowout.

[xultar]

18. It is the design and method, especially the halliburton BOP

that was changed and they didn't inform BP

[Canuckistanian]

24. Well, that's true

I'd heard that the BOP hadn't even been properly inspected since the 1970's.

Hell, I don't think I'd pass inspection if my last one was in the 70's.

[WeDidIt]

14. Short term profits, long term poisoning. n/t

[stuntcat]

21. there are soooo many wells in the Gulf :(

I know BP fycked up, in quite a few ways. But how much better do we think all the other companies out there are? They're all doing it for money, with the underlying idea of screwing the future and the nice critters too. This mistake just brought the doom sooner rather than later.

I will hold it against BP, but I also know it could easily have happened to any of the thousands of wells down there. I hold it against the entire industry/their lobbyists/the Retardican politicians who want them to police themselves for safety.

[cap]

22. anybody got a problem with the 6 month moratorium?

just wondering?

[Bluebear]

25. Let's expand drilling!

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